2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.3)

[Wolfgang630]

Broussard confirmed he voted 1. Giannis, 2. Embiid and 3. Jokic

[BigGargamel]

LOL @ voting for anyone other than Jokic. Because Embiid has a few more points? Because the Bucks have a few more wins? Embiid will get it because he's whining non stop about it, but Jokic just dragged a bum azz team with a late 20's drafted rookie as its second best player to 48 wins and had arguably the finest season of all time.

[losmi]

Broussard confirmed he voted 1. Giannis, 2. Embiid and 3. Jokic

No surprise, he has to support his boss Nick Wright.

[BoatsNZones]

It’s over, it’s a blowout. Of the ~100 ballots, 24 of the votes have been stated already: Jokic 17 first place votes, Embiid 5, Giannis 2.


All NBA is too early to tell completely, but it’s trending towards:

1st:
G: Booker
G: Luka (lock)
F: Giannis (lock)
F: Tatum
C: Jokic (lock)

2nd:
G: Curry (getting more 2nds than 1sts)
G: Ja (lock)
F: KD (lock)
F: Derozan
C: Embiid (lock - getting more Center votes so 2nd team)

3rd:
G: Trae (lock)
G: CP (lock)
F: Lebron (lock)
F: Siakim
C: KAT (lock)

[The Rebel]

Broussard confirmed he voted 1. Giannis, 2. Embiid and 3. Jokic

No surprise there, Broussard has always had an issue with Jokic, once he figured out who he was last year anyways.

[BigGargamel]

Extremely disingiuous to me people are saying Jokic is missing his "top two" teammates. I believe Gordon is obviously superior to MPJ and Barton imo is too. I think even Morris has a case over MPJ.

MPJ is awful on defense and mostly just a shooter on offense.

It is also very disingiuous that Jokic is seen as missing TWO max players. MPJ is making 6 million this year and Denver has a team salary less than 700k from the tax line. MPJ is not a "max" player in regarded to Denver's team construction this season and shows bias or ignorance when people use this clearly false statement.

TLDR MPJ is not Jokic 2nd best teammate or a max player (yet). AG is #2 and MPJ makes 6 million this season, not "max"

Most of what you are saying doesn't make much sense, and I can tell you don't really watch the team and are just running head first with the narrative that MPJ is the worst defender in the league. MPJ is not a good defender, but the potential is there. He just needs reps and needs to learn. Will Barton is a vet, and makes defensive decisions that a middle schooler would make. There is nothing that Barton does better than MPJ. I won't even get into Morris.

And MPJ was signed to a max contract. He's a max player. He's not making the max this year? What does that have to do with anything? Odd take.

[Cubbies2120]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/edit#gid=643451732

Current tally - First Place Votes:
Jokic - 11
Embiid - 4
Giannis - 2

[Jurassic_Park]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/edit#gid=643451732

Current tally - First Place Votes:
Jokic - 11
Embiid - 4
Giannis - 2

Chris Broussard just revealed his mvp ballot on first things first.

1. Giannis
2. Embiid
3. Jokic

[Gasolina]

It's pretty crazy to me that Embiid is even seriously in the discussion at this point. I think either Giannis or Jokic are equally deserving. Embiid has very clearly not had as good of a season as those guys, and I don't really see any arguments you can make for Joel. Not the record, not the box score stats, not the advanced stats, and not on defense. He should finish a solid and distant third.

[LAL1947]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/edit#gid=643451732

Current tally - First Place Votes:
Jokic - 11
Embiid - 4
Giannis - 2

Chris Broussard just revealed his mvp ballot on first things first.

1. Giannis
2. Embiid
3. Jokic

I watched that and was disappointed to hear his explanation. Broussard normally makes sense or tries to... except when he's stanning for the league. (Like with his explanation for having all three of Jokic, Embiid and Giannis in the All NBA 1st Team, which is just silly IMO.) This was another time when his "reasons" sounded like he was trying to create an explanation even if it didn't make sense.

1) Jokic
2) Embiid
3) Luka
4) Giannis... has more help and a better team than Luka, yet finished with a worse record. Also did a little worse than Luka in games against the best teams.
5) Booker

[LAL1947]

It's pretty crazy to me that Embiid is even seriously in the discussion at this point. I think either Giannis or Jokic are equally deserving. Embiid has very clearly not had as good of a season as those guys, and I don't really see any arguments you can make for Joel. Not the record, not the box score stats, not the advanced stats, and not on defense. He should finish a solid and distant third.

Why do you feel Giannis is more deserving of being in the discussion than Embiid or Luka?

The 76ers had their troubles with Ben Simmons for a long time, went through a mid-season shuffle... and still finished with the same win-loss record as the Bucks.

Giannis also has a better team and more help than Luka, yet the Bucks finished with a worse record than the Mavs! Giannis also did a little worse than Luka in games against the best teams (except on defense).

I'm also not sure I can call Giannis an MVP candidate with the Bucks clearly trying to dodge the Nets.

Jokic is or should be the clear winner here, with a gap to whoever is in 2nd. He played great from start to finish, put his team on his back and got them into the playoffs comfortably despite missing their 2nd and 3rd best players... and let's not forget the records (PER, 2k/1k/500) he has made despite not even trying for them.

[Freighttrain]

Broussard confirmed he voted 1. Giannis, 2. Embiid and 3. Jokic

No surprise there, Broussard has always had an issue with Jokic, once he figured out who he was last year anyways.

Do you consider having Giannis above Jokic as a slight?

[NirvanaFC]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview?pru=AAABgD3w5hU*SZLAGABGC73OvCxRq395Og#

Look at the list voting for Embiid

Ric Bucher
Brian Windhorst
Kendrick "Carry On" Perkins
Ramona "Narratives" Shelbourne
An international reporter

[Sharkboy242]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview?pru=AAABgD3w5hU*SZLAGABGC73OvCxRq395Og#

Look at the list voting for Embiid

Ric Bucher
Brian Windhorst
Kendrick "Carry On" Perkins
Ramona "Narratives" Shelbourne
An international reporter

lol

Basketball intellectuals = Jokic MVP

Click-bait sensationalist media heads = Embiid MVP

[ty 4191]

Basketball intellectuals = Jokic MVP

Click-bait sensationalist media heads = Embiid MVP

Best post I've read in weeks!!! Bravo!!!

[Roddy B for 3]

His defense was improving as well. You could see it on the court and DBPM and DWS stats back that up. And we know he's a hard worker with a good attitude who wants to improve all aspects of his game. Malone loves his work ethic.

To say that Barton and Morris are better players is absurd. They should be bench players (pretty good ones, but still bench players) while Porter is a legit starter for almost any team.

Morris is probably like #25-#35 among PG's. Barton is like a below average starting SG or high level backup. MPJ is a turnstile on defense. The player type of all offense no defense at the PF position is extremely difficult for me to be a fan of. Having Barton at SG or Morris at PG dose not imo sabotage your offense or your defense. Having MPJ at PF sabatoges your defense imo.

Barton absolutely sabotages the offense at times and his defense isn't enough to make up for it. Porter's offensive prowess definitely compensates for his inferior defense (and again, he's still young and improving on D, not a hopeless case).

Idk if it's possible to sabotage a Jokic offense

[Roddy B for 3]

Extremely disingiuous to me people are saying Jokic is missing his "top two" teammates. I believe Gordon is obviously superior to MPJ and Barton imo is too. I think even Morris has a case over MPJ.

MPJ is awful on defense and mostly just a shooter on offense.

It is also very disingiuous that Jokic is seen as missing TWO max players. MPJ is making 6 million this year and Denver has a team salary less than 700k from the tax line. MPJ is not a "max" player in regarded to Denver's team construction this season and shows bias or ignorance when people use this clearly false statement.

TLDR MPJ is not Jokic 2nd best teammate or a max player (yet). AG is #2 and MPJ makes 6 million this season, not "max"

Most of what you are saying doesn't make much sense, and I can tell you don't really watch the team and are just running head first with the narrative that MPJ is the worst defender in the league. MPJ is not a good defender, but the potential is there. He just needs reps and needs to learn. Will Barton is a vet, and makes defensive decisions that a middle schooler would make. There is nothing that Barton does better than MPJ. I won't even get into Morris.

And MPJ was signed to a max contract. He's a max player. He's not making the max this year? What does that have to do with anything? Odd take.

Missing a "max" player implies your are missing a huge part of your salary cap, thus operating at a disadvantage. Referring to MPJ as a max player this season is disingiuous

You accuse me of "running head first with the narrative MPJ is the worst defender in the league". This again, is disingiuous. When did I say that? Your using a straw man argument.

MPJ's entire issue is his back. He's not going to become a good defender, he isn't capable of it. It's almost impossible to be the smooth athlete (I'm saying defensive athletisism, for instance lateral quickness, exploding at weird angles to block shots, beating a man to a spot to take a charge, etc.) at 6'10" with a back that has had three major surgeries on it. To thin he is going to all of a sudden have great lateral quickness is asinine.

[vexco]

Extremely disingiuous to me people are saying Jokic is missing his "top two" teammates. I believe Gordon is obviously superior to MPJ and Barton imo is too. I think even Morris has a case over MPJ.

MPJ is awful on defense and mostly just a shooter on offense.

It is also very disingiuous that Jokic is seen as missing TWO max players. MPJ is making 6 million this year and Denver has a team salary less than 700k from the tax line. MPJ is not a "max" player in regarded to Denver's team construction this season and shows bias or ignorance when people use this clearly false statement.

TLDR MPJ is not Jokic 2nd best teammate or a max player (yet). AG is #2 and MPJ makes 6 million this season, not "max"

Most of what you are saying doesn't make much sense, and I can tell you don't really watch the team and are just running head first with the narrative that MPJ is the worst defender in the league. MPJ is not a good defender, but the potential is there. He just needs reps and needs to learn. Will Barton is a vet, and makes defensive decisions that a middle schooler would make. There is nothing that Barton does better than MPJ. I won't even get into Morris.

And MPJ was signed to a max contract. He's a max player. He's not making the max this year? What does that have to do with anything? Odd take.

Missing a "max" player implies your are missing a huge part of your salary cap, thus operating at a disadvantage. Referring to MPJ as a max player this season is disingiuous

You accuse me of "running head first with the narrative MPJ is the worst defender in the league". This again, is disingiuous. When did I say that? Your using a straw man argument.

MPJ's entire issue is his back. He's not going to become a good defender, he isn't capable of it. It's almost impossible to be the smooth athlete (I'm saying defensive athletisism, for instance lateral quickness, exploding at weird angles to block shots, beating a man to a spot to take a charge, etc.) at 6'10" with a back that has had three major surgeries on it. To thin he is going to all of a sudden have great lateral quickness is asinine.

You're really just making ridiculous semantics arguments for no reason. Missing a max player implies missing a player who's signed a max contract(which he has). The fact that it was a max extension that doesn't kick in until next year is 100% irrelevant to anyones point except yours.

You're just arguing to argue at this point.

[Castle Black]

It’s over boys. Jokic will win it. As he should.

[AleksandarN]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview?pru=AAABgD3w5hU*SZLAGABGC73OvCxRq395Og#

Look at the list voting for Embiid

Ric Bucher
Brian Windhorst
Kendrick "Carry On" Perkins
Ramona "Narratives" Shelbourne
An international reporter

I wouldnt trust that database just yet. They had Jalen voting for Jokic today he said Embiid