Prove to me Derrick Rose is Good.

Legendary 33 · Post #261 » by **Legendary 33** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:12 pm

I also want to add that Westbrook was a 2nd option behind the best scorer in the league. Jennings was a 3rd option. Rose was asked to play a role last year (scorer first) and he played it really well. I want to see what he does next year without such a burden on his back.

BR0D1E86 · Post #262 » by **BR0D1E86** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:14 pm

This thread is pretty awful. It seems to be a page of people saying he’s terrible, a page of Bulls fans coming in and saying he’s not terrible, then a page of people saying “LOL Bulls homers.”

Repeat.

Jvaughn · Post #263 » by **Jvaughn** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:22 pm

Why did no one tell me the party had started back up in this thread? I missed at least 5 pages of the Rose blasters, and no I have to catch up. I blame you Legendary. I thought we were better than that.

panthermark · Post #264 » by **panthermark** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:23 pm

Legendary 33 wrote:I also want to add that Westbrook was a 2nd option behind the best scorer in the league. Jennings was a 3rd option. Rose was asked to play a role last year (scorer first) and he played it really well. I want to see what he does next year without such a burden on his back.

I don't think a lot of non-Bulls fan truly understand that...

Post All-Star break....the Bulls starting 5 was:

Rose
Hinrich
Deng
Gibson
Noah

No low post threat, little three point shooting (or even decent shooting), and no one else that can create their own shot. Rose pretty much CARRIED that team to the play-offs...yet people knock him for scoring too much and not getting enough dimes.

DanielBoone · Post #265 » by **DanielBoone** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:27 pm

still have yet to see any real proof that Rose is better than Arenas, glad to see all the Bulls homers ignored the post :lol:

. better scorer, better distributor on better teams.

Legendary 33 · Post #266 » by **Legendary 33** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:32 pm

DanielBoone wrote:still have yet to see any real proof that Rose is better than Arenas, glad to see all the Bulls homers ignored the post . better scorer, better distributor on better teams.

Since when was Arenas a bad player? If I remember correctly, he was a top 10 player 3 years ago.

Jvaughn · Post #267 » by **Jvaughn** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:32 pm

Legendary 33 wrote:I somehow feel that if Rose averaged 8 assists he'd magically become a "true point guard" overnight.

What's this obsession with point guards needing to average a ton of assists? The Bulls had multiple play-makers last season. Rose didn't need to set people up all game; instead, he played a role he was asked to play (1st option scorer) and did it marvelously. Billups has never averaged a ton of assists in a season, but he's a great floor general. Rose does the same thing, though not as well.

I don't. The haters would say that the assists are now an empty stat. Claiming that Rose only passes when he gets in trouble. Rose could average 25/10/5, and there would still be haters claiming that he isn't actually a PG or a good player.

DanielBoone · Post #268 » by **DanielBoone** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:34 pm

Legendary 33 wrote:
DanielBoone wrote:still have yet to see any real proof that Rose is better than Arenas, glad to see all the Bulls homers ignored the post . better scorer, better distributor on better teams.

Since when was Arenas a bad player? If I remember correctly, he was a top 10 player 3 years ago.

nobody in this thread has put him above Rose in their listing of best PGs and nobody cant give a reason why. other than "lulz brings gunz to teh loker roomz" im talking about on the court

Legendary 33 · Post #269 » by **Legendary 33** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:34 pm

Jvaughn wrote:Why did no one tell me the party had started back up in this thread? I missed at least 5 pages of the Rose blasters, and no I have to catch up. I blame you Legendary. I thought we were better than that.

I thought I was doing a pretty good job handling this until all these trolls came back. Geez but there's so much Rose hate lately on these boards, it's hard to keep up with all of it

Jvaughn · Post #270 » by **Jvaughn** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:35 pm

Bomb_First wrote:
My question comes with the reference to low IQ, what is your argument concerning this? And what is an Eric Snow type PG, because whatever it is, I don't want my bulls to acquire one...like ever. ERIC SNOW-are you serious!!!!???

An Eric Snow PG is a tall physical PG that can handle guarding shooting guards in order to make sure Rose doesn't get stuck guarding guys like Wade, Joe Johnson, etc.

So we should sign a larger Brevin Knight type of player. A guy that can't score, create his own shot, or carry a team, just so we can slide Rose over to an imaginary position? What's peoples big hangup with this Rose is a SG thing? He's a PG that can score better than just about any other PG in the league. To be physically gifted in the scoring department is not a negative. He's not a chucker, and he doesn't ignore his teammates. He's just better than his opposition at it.

Legendary 33 · Post #271 » by **Legendary 33** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:36 pm

DanielBoone wrote:
Legendary 33 wrote:
DanielBoone wrote:still have yet to see any real proof that Rose is better than Arenas, glad to see all the Bulls homers ignored the post . better scorer, better distributor on better teams.

Since when was Arenas a bad player? If I remember correctly, he was a top 10 player 3 years ago.

nobody in this thread has put him above Rose in their listing of best PGs and nobody cant give a reason why. other than "lulz brings gunz to teh loker roomz" im talking about on the court

Arenas hasn't really been himself for a few years. He had a span of like 30 ish games this season where he looked like the old Agent Zero. But that isn't a large enough sample size.

Also, Arenas will likely now play shooting guard next to Wall. So he's no longer a point guard..lol

Concept Coop · Post #272 » by **Concept Coop** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:36 pm

DanielBoone wrote:still have yet to see any real proof that Rose is better than Arenas, glad to see all the Bulls homers ignored the post . better scorer, better distributor on better teams.

His style of play is not built for playoff success. During the 3 seasons he was an elite player, they won exactly one playoff series, in the pathetic EC. He is not a winner.

PrinceJames · Post #273 » by **PrinceJames** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:37 pm

He's super clutch in big time moments. In the playoffs he's so good.

Legendary 33 · Post #274 » by **Legendary 33** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:38 pm

Jvaughn wrote:
Legendary 33 wrote:I somehow feel that if Rose averaged 8 assists he'd magically become a "true point guard" overnight.

What's this obsession with point guards needing to average a ton of assists? The Bulls had multiple play-makers last season. Rose didn't need to set people up all game; instead, he played a role he was asked to play (1st option scorer) and did it marvelously. Billups has never averaged a ton of assists in a season, but he's a great floor general. Rose does the same thing, though not as well.

I don't. The haters would say that the assists are now an empty stat. Claiming that Rose only passes when he gets in trouble. Rose could average 25/10/5, and there would still be haters claiming that he isn't actually a PG or a good player.

Next season, if/when Rose averages 9 assists a game, I can imagine people's reaction : "ZOMG Marbury averaged 9 assists a game too! Rose iz all athleticism! Goran Dragic and Brandon Jennings both have more skillz!!"

Jvaughn · Post #275 » by **Jvaughn** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:38 pm

Sham wrote:He's already a top 5 point guard. Him, Paul, Nash, Deron, Rondo. Put them in whichever order you like, but there's your 5. Don't say Billups.

Pause for the addition of Kidd, Westbrook, Jennings and Calderon Sham. Argued with one of them earlier that Rose was barely a top 10 PG.

Bucksfans1and2 · Post #276 » by **Bucksfans1and2** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:38 pm

I'm kind of confused. When did having a PG who could score become a bad thing?

tcduke · Post #277 » by **tcduke** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:39 pm

Bucksfans1and2 wrote:I'm kind of confused. When did having a PG who could score become a bad thing?

When you're trying to justify an irrational dislike of Rose.

DanielBoone · Post #278 » by **DanielBoone** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:39 pm

Concept Coop wrote:
DanielBoone wrote:still have yet to see any real proof that Rose is better than Arenas, glad to see all the Bulls homers ignored the post . better scorer, better distributor on better teams.

His style of play is not built for playoff success. During the 3 seasons he was an elite player, they won exactly one playoff series, in the pathetic EC. He is not a winner.

yeah except thats more than Rose has ever done. And he averaged 34 6 and 5 in the playoffs one year. they just always ran into sick teams. Theres no actual concrete reasoning that anyone can put Rose over Arenas except homerism

Post #279 » by **Three34** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:40 pm

Bucksfans1and2 wrote:I'm kind of confused. When did having a PG who could score become a bad thing?

If you're better at scoring, you're not a point guard. That's pretty much how this works, I think.

Post #280 » by **Rerisen** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:44 pm

DanielBoone wrote:yeah except thats more than Rose has ever done. And he averaged 34 6 and 5 in the playoffs one year. they just always ran into sick teams. Theres no actual concrete reasoning that anyone can put Rose over Arenas except homerism

Try injuries and off court troubles. Arenas has played just 47 games in the last 3 years. It's been since 2007 that he was a 24 PER player and was 25 years old.

When he starts playing like that again, and actually staying on the court, I'm sure people will be putting him over Rose (or at least where Rose is now).

Arenas won't be playing the same role on a team ever again that he did then though. Wall is going to be the PG groomed for the future and Arenas will have to adjust. Until he proves he can and reproves himself as a player, its not just going to be assumed he's an All-Star again.