Denver-NJ in "advanced" talks

[infam0us]

So is Melo just giving us all blue balls? This is killing me, I wish it didn't affect my team but it does because of the Billups buyout rumors

Neither NY nor NJ would buyout Billups since both would need a PG.

--Mags

If Billups truly wants no part of NJ or NY you would think that both teams would just remove the pg from the trade. Felton stays put for the Knicks if they acquire Melo, same for Nets with Harris.

[vincecarter4pres]

And before people like MagillaG come at me with, "This is why you tear him down as a player", I call shenanigans, I hate Lebron just a little more, but have championed him as the best player in the NBA for years and still would have killed for him on the Nets despite my massive disdain for him as a person. Same with Kobe matter of fact.

I'm not sure why you mentioned me - I'm not a Melo fan. Hell, I don't think I'd trade Luol Deng for him.

I mentioned you because you quoted me earlier and said something along the lines of you must just really hate Melo and by the time I went to quote it and say you were right, I don't like him but that has nothing to do with the way I feel about him as a player, you had edited the post.

Nothing personal, I was just responding to that was all.

[Prot9]

The Nets apparently have a deal in place with Portland if this trade falls through. Would look something like this:

Nets receive:
Andre Miller
Rudy Fernendez
Joel Prizbilla

Portland receives:
Devin Harris
Travis Outlaw

Thoughts?

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

The Nets apparently have a deal in place with Portland if this trade falls through. Would look something like this:

Nets receive:
Andre Miller
Rudy Fernendez
Joel Prizbilla

Portland receives:
Devin Harris
Travis Outlaw

Thoughts?

The Nets begin giving away assets to dump all the horrible contracts they acquired this off season?

[vincecarter4pres]

The Nets apparently have a deal in place with Portland if this trade falls through. Would look something like this:

Nets receive:
Andre Miller
Rudy Fernendez
Joel Prizbilla

Portland receives:
Devin Harris
Travis Outlaw

Thoughts?

OMG please let this happen!

[vincecarter4pres]

The Nets apparently have a deal in place with Portland if this trade falls through. Would look something like this:

Nets receive:
Andre Miller
Rudy Fernendez
Joel Prizbilla

Portland receives:
Devin Harris
Travis Outlaw

Thoughts?

The Nets begin giving away assets to dump all the horrible contracts they acquired this off season?

The only horrible contract was Outlaw, but yes it was god awful.

Morrow was a great signing.

Farmar and Petro were bad signing, but their actual contracts are only slight overpays, they won't be hard to get rid of if we need to.

[ChampionRed]

^^^^ Morrow is apparently in the deal too.

[vincecarter4pres]

^^^^ Morrow is apparently in the deal too.

Ahh...

Damn, I figured that was just too much salary for Portland to take back, I honestly figured they would never give up an expiring for Outlaw just to get Harris, that they would actually rather take Petro and give up some real value.

I really loved the Morrow signing and like him a lot, but I would trade him in a heartbeat if that gets rid of Outlaw.

Hopefully the Warriors pick isn't involved as well, I heard earlier rumors a couple days ago that it was being shipped to Portland as well as incentive.

[#1 pick]

Ohh, please. Galinari is not the deal breaker here. The Nuggets want FOUR Knicks starters and 1 pick. Its easy to understand why the Knicks dont want the gut their whole team to get 1 guy. I'm sure Dolan wont have much of an issue telling Melo that, face to face or otherwise.

To be fair, the Nuggets want FOUR Knicks starters for Melo AND Billups. You make it sound like all the Knicks are getting is Melo, and thats just not true. The Nuggets are giving up the two best players in the deal. Thats not even considering the fact that the Knicks can't sign Melo w/o renoucning Chandler (so he is gone one way or the other if Melo is going to sign).

Two good players do not equal a great player. If you have a chance to get a great player you do it. Players like Fields and Gallo are easily replacable. Players like Melo are not.

The Knick fans acting like Melo is Stephen Jackson. Melo is a top 10 superstar. You do what you have to do to get him.

[vincecarter4pres]

I would give up Chandler, Galinari and Fields and a pick easily for Melo....

No offense, but thank god you're not a GM, cause that's just terrible deal for already thin team.

You get Melo and you have Amare...that gets you into the playoffs in the East. You're not winning a title this year but that's a very solid base.

Base for what? Mediocracy? You have two guys on max contracts, basically no decent role players and no bench. Plus with the new CBA coming out and rising teams like the Bulls and the Heat who're going to be a dominant forces for the next 5+ years, that's base it's worthless. Playoffs? Sure, but the Knicks would be stupid to have such modest, modest goal. They're already a playoff team anyway.

You're not going ANYWHERE with Amare and overrated role players. Keeping those guys and waiting for Chris Paul or Dwight Howard or etc. is a waiting game New York knows all to well. LeBron, anyone? It will continue to be what it's been for years for NY...waiting for next year. You gotta take a risk. You gotta mortgage those "assets" because you have the chance to get better....

A lot of GMs and fans for that matter overrate their team's assets. They covet them, when in reality you can find another player to fill that void. Role players, even the really special ones, are nowhere near as important as stars, all-stars, and superstars in this league.

Look at Cleveland the last few years. They had a superstar and a bunch of good role players, and they had "depth", and players they coveted like Hickson, and that got them nowhere.

Then James goes to a team where it's him, two other stars, and shooters like James Jones, Eddie House, below mediocre guards and veterans signed to league minimum contracts...and they're tied for first in the East. This is a stars league, and having more than one outweighs the depth. It just does.

Carmelo Anthony will be more productive then Chandler and Fields put together, as stated above, they are both frightening overrated. One's a decent rookie working nicely in the Knicks system and the other is several tiers below Carmelo Anthony as a player. Galinarri is a nice player, but if he's considered untouchable in NY I really have to question what that front office considers untouchable talent.

Great post.

[Soap345]

I would give up Chandler, Galinari and Fields and a pick easily for Melo....

No offense, but thank god you're not a GM, cause that's just terrible deal for already thin team.

You get Melo and you have Amare...that gets you into the playoffs in the East. You're not winning a title this year but that's a very solid base.

Base for what? Mediocracy? You have two guys on max contracts, basically no decent role players and no bench. Plus with the new CBA coming out and rising teams like the Bulls and the Heat who're going to be a dominant forces for the next 5+ years, that's base it's worthless. Playoffs? Sure, but the Knicks would be stupid to have such modest, modest goal. They're already a playoff team anyway.

You're not going ANYWHERE with Amare and overrated role players. Keeping those guys and waiting for Chris Paul or Dwight Howard or etc. is a waiting game New York knows all to well. LeBron, anyone? It will continue to be what it's been for years for NY...waiting for next year. You gotta take a risk. You gotta mortgage those "assets" because you have the chance to get better....

A lot of GMs and fans for that matter overrate their team's assets. They covet them, when in reality you can find another player to fill that void. Role players, even the really special ones, are nowhere near as important as stars, all-stars, and superstars in this league.

Look at Cleveland the last few years. They had a superstar and a bunch of good role players, and they had "depth", and players they coveted like Hickson, and that got them nowhere.

Then James goes to a team where it's him, two other stars, and shooters like James Jones, Eddie House, below mediocre guards and veterans signed to league minimum contracts...and they're tied for first in the East. This is a stars league, and having more than one outweighs the depth. It just does.

Carmelo Anthony will be more productive then Chandler and Fields put together, as stated above, they are both frightening overrated. One's a decent rookie working nicely in the Knicks system and the other is several tiers below Carmelo Anthony as a player. Galinarri is a nice player, but if he's considered untouchable in NY I really have to question what that front office considers untouchable talent.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... You are judging the Cavs for going no where in the playoffs, but you are giving credit to the heat for being tied for first in the east?

The Cavs were much better then the heat, regular season wise last year. Thats .... I mean.. I dont actually disagree with you. I think having stars makes up for lack of depth, but its dumb to judge the Cavs for going "no where" but saying the Heat are better when they have not gotten anywhere yet.

[NY2TheBay]

this is a charade to drive up the knicks price.

[Jahensle]

I don't see how the Nets can compete in the East with a core of Melo/Lopez/Billips and role players such as Morrow/Outlaw/Farmar.

I don't think the Knicks would be a championship level team BUT a core of Amare/Melo/Billips/Fields is just seems better to me.

Maybe Lopez would really excel next to a dominant wing player? The kid does have some skills for sure. Gallo will have the chance to be "the man" in Denver, he has some skills as well.

Felton Lawson
Affalo Smith
Gallo Chander?(forget if hes part of the trade)
Martin
Nene

Really not a bad team at all, could probably compete for 8th seeds in the West, not much of a future unless Gallo really brings his game to fringe all star level. Affalo (sp?) is pretty beast with room for growth, same with Lawson. Pretty set 1-3 with vets at the 4/5.