Kings <not> going to give Andre Iguodala a max contract

[SacTownKings4Life]

I would think Thomas would make the most sense to keep as well ... I like that dude I like his heart ... But for that 3 guard system I would want a guy who could either match up a little better defensively or shoot the 3 at a higher clip more around that 40% range if were talking about gettin starter minutes


And I really don't understand this andre iguodala stuff man ... You guys just dodged a bullet ... The dude didnt make the playoffs 3 of the 7 years he was in Phila he never got them to record above .500 and that was in the pathetic EAST ... He's not a culture changer he's not a number 1 he's just not that guy ... He wasn't in Denver... and when he had the shot in Phila his teams were lackluster at best ... Now based on his career I really don't get why anyone thinks he would be the lynchpin to any type of winning or turn around... more than likely this team would be scratching to get to 40wins in the west while paying dude 12-13 mil ...sorry that's just not value


You guys got young talent ... Hopefully a good new coach ...you can't force it .. That's how you make dumb moves and set yourselfs back ...you just gotta make smart moves and continue To build

Well... It just so happened that Philly was ONE OF those pathetic teams. Who did they even HAVE? I don't know how the original AI did it.
I was under the impression that Cousins was our number 1 with McLemore and then Iggy? 40 wins is better than 28. He may not be our "savior" or anything, but if you're gonna make improvements you have to start somewhere, right? Iggy or Salmons?

How much farther back can we really get than... 7 years in the lottery? As a bad small market team, its already understood that we have no choice BUT to over pay any potential free agent to convince them to even come here. There's ALWAYS better options, so we have to make it worth their while.

And why has the culture in the league changed so drastically to where people are scared to sign anybody older than 25 for fear of them spontaneously breaking down? You can only stay young for so long before you become a revolving door of talent. Where does the continuity come from? We spend years baby sitting guys so fresh out of college that they haven't even developed into "professional" ballers yet. By the time they reach the age where they WOULD HAVE completed their college career and properly matured, we're already pushing them out the door because they're suddenly too old now. I don't understand it...

You can start by feilding a functioning team that actually has guys with defined roles you can start by actually having an identity so you can know what kind of roles those players should be trying to fill you can start by not having a revolving door at the coaching spot you can start by having some simple direction as to who you are as a franchise .... Rudimentary stuff man ... You ain't gettin that by just throwing money at a players simply because you have it

I mean if I'm the kings ... By all accounts Malone seems like a defensive guy .. Well how about you go out and get some guys on reasonable deals that will allow that style of play to flourish around your core and what you already have ... Instead of paying 13mil to Iggy spend a fourth of that and get a Ronnie Brewer or Peitrus type to fill a roll as a defender off the bench ... Flip some of those guards for a decent back up big .... Start to build a bench that makes sense and works with the system keep some flexibility for crying out loud ....your cap situation doesn't look that bad ... Why blow it on a non difference maker? ... Save that for a guy that can actually take you to that next level ....or save it for a team wanting to dump a good player that won't resign with them or a guy they want tonget rid off ... Keep your options open ... But in the mean time you guys should be worried about developing the actual talent you have ... Giving them some stability

I've seen it before with my bulls ... We were terrible for years after Jordan left ... Then finally we started to make a few moves in the draft hired Scott Skiles and actually started the defensive culture and identity that Thibbs came in and took to the next level alongside of lucking out in getting rose (you guys may have that star in cousins as well) ... But it was done with baby steps ... When we tried to go out and spend just to spend we blew it on Ben Wallace .... It's not always the right thing to spend just because you have the means ... Spend because it makes sense not just because your desperate for anything

Let me ask you one question then. What's the difference between spending $14 million on Iggy and spending $12 million on Evans IF we're worried about not blowing our cap space? I don't believe Evans BY HIMSELF will have much bigger of an impact than Iggy, but we're essentially paying him the same amount of money if we match him. Why is Iggy bad but Evans good?

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[JDizzel3000]

Well... It just so happened that Philly was ONE OF those pathetic teams. Who did they even HAVE? I don't know how the original AI did it.
I was under the impression that Cousins was our number 1 with McLemore and then Iggy? 40 wins is better than 28. He may not be our "savior" or anything, but if you're gonna make improvements you have to start somewhere, right? Iggy or Salmons?

How much farther back can we really get than... 7 years in the lottery? As a bad small market team, its already understood that we have no choice BUT to over pay any potential free agent to convince them to even come here. There's ALWAYS better options, so we have to make it worth their while.

And why has the culture in the league changed so drastically to where people are scared to sign anybody older than 25 for fear of them spontaneously breaking down? You can only stay young for so long before you become a revolving door of talent. Where does the continuity come from? We spend years baby sitting guys so fresh out of college that they haven't even developed into "professional" ballers yet. By the time they reach the age where they WOULD HAVE completed their college career and properly matured, we're already pushing them out the door because they're suddenly too old now. I don't understand it...

You can start by feilding a functioning team that actually has guys with defined roles you can start by actually having an identity so you can know what kind of roles those players should be trying to fill you can start by not having a revolving door at the coaching spot you can start by having some simple direction as to who you are as a franchise .... Rudimentary stuff man ... You ain't gettin that by just throwing money at a players simply because you have it

I mean if I'm the kings ... By all accounts Malone seems like a defensive guy .. Well how about you go out and get some guys on reasonable deals that will allow that style of play to flourish around your core and what you already have ... Instead of paying 13mil to Iggy spend a fourth of that and get a Ronnie Brewer or Peitrus type to fill a roll as a defender off the bench ... Flip some of those guards for a decent back up big .... Start to build a bench that makes sense and works with the system keep some flexibility for crying out loud ....your cap situation doesn't look that bad ... Why blow it on a non difference maker? ... Save that for a guy that can actually take you to that next level ....or save it for a team wanting to dump a good player that won't resign with them or a guy they want tonget rid off ... Keep your options open ... But in the mean time you guys should be worried about developing the actual talent you have ... Giving them some stability

I've seen it before with my bulls ... We were terrible for years after Jordan left ... Then finally we started to make a few moves in the draft hired Scott Skiles and actually started the defensive culture and identity that Thibbs came in and took to the next level alongside of lucking out in getting rose (you guys may have that star in cousins as well) ... But it was done with baby steps ... When we tried to go out and spend just to spend we blew it on Ben Wallace .... It's not always the right thing to spend just because you have the means ... Spend because it makes sense not just because your desperate for anything

Let me ask you one question then. What's the difference between spending $14 million on Iggy and spending $12 million on Evans IF we're worried about not blowing our cap space? I don't believe Evans BY HIMSELF will have much bigger of an impact than Iggy, but we're essentially paying him the same amount of money if we match him. Why is Iggy bad but Evans good?

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Evans is 6 years to younger than Iggy .... His game is still devolving while Iggy is maxed out and potentially on the decline ...

But lets just say they both stay at their current levels of production .... and Evans dosent improve what so ever (which I doubt) your essentially paying rougly 8mil dollars more over the duration of these two contracts for a player who really isn't any different production wise than what you have right now ... I mean is his defense really that valuable? Where was tht value against the warriors in the playoffs? Where was that value throught the whole season for the nuggets?

I just don't get it ... If im going to take a risk I would much rather do it on a guy who has the chance to get better as opposed to spending that money on a guy who's at best equal to the production you already have ...


Why spend more for similar production?

[GSForever]

Evans wants a change of scenery. Would you take Bogut and AB and 3 first unprotected for cap space

[blind prophet]

Evans wants a change of scenery. Would you take Bogut and AB and 3 first unprotected for cap space

We have no idea if this is true, he wants to be well represented in contract negotiations.

I think he actually likes Sacramento.

And No

But you can have MT, and JT for a cheese burger.

[GSForever]

Barnes, Bogut and RJ?

[blind prophet]

Barnes, Bogut and RJ?

Joking right?

Barnes, unprotected 1st, Bogut

Then you take JT's 4 year deal, and outlaw.

After we shop around awhile maybe.

[GSForever]

We need additional salary to make the D12, signing.

[SacTownKings4Life]

Evans is 6 years to younger than Iggy .... His game is still devolving while Iggy is maxed out and potentially on the decline ...

But lets just say they both stay at their current levels of production .... and Evans dosent improve what so ever (which I doubt) your essentially paying rougly 8mil dollars more over the duration of these two contracts for a player who really isn't any different production wise than what you have right now ... I mean is his defense really that valuable? Where was tht value against the warriors in the playoffs? Where was that value throught the whole season for the nuggets?

I just don't get it ... If im going to take a risk I would much rather do it on a guy who has the chance to get better as opposed to spending that money on a guy who's at best equal to the production you already have ...


Why spend more for similar production?

Tyreke's game is still DEvolving? And that's your answer to my question of why his contract is better?

At least his team GOT to the playoffs, and as a darkhorse to win the west, at that. But we forget that one of their other best players was injured. How many teams who had key players UNABLE TO COMPETE advanced that far in the playoffs? (Pacers? Who else?) That SAME Warriors team bowed out in the next round after Curry hurt his ankle (again). So your argument is flawed.

Because you're spending SIMILAR money for SIMILAR production. Iggy is an all star and Tyreke isn't. Yet $2 million per year is all that separates their contracts. People really act like the Kings were offering Iggy a MAX contract...

[JDizzel3000]

Evans is 6 years to younger than Iggy .... His game is still devolving while Iggy is maxed out and potentially on the decline ...

But lets just say they both stay at their current levels of production .... and Evans dosent improve what so ever (which I doubt) your essentially paying rougly 8mil dollars more over the duration of these two contracts for a player who really isn't any different production wise than what you have right now ... I mean is his defense really that valuable? Where was tht value against the warriors in the playoffs? Where was that value throught the whole season for the nuggets?

I just don't get it ... If im going to take a risk I would much rather do it on a guy who has the chance to get better as opposed to spending that money on a guy who's at best equal to the production you already have ...


Why spend more for similar production?

Tyreke's game is still DEvolving? And that's your answer to my question of why his contract is better?

At least his team GOT to the playoffs, and as a darkhorse to win the west, at that. But we forget that one of their other best players was injured. How many teams who had key players UNABLE TO COMPETE advanced that far in the playoffs? (Pacers? Who else?) That SAME Warriors team bowed out in the next round after Curry hurt his ankle (again). So your argument is flawed.

Because you're spending SIMILAR money for SIMILAR production. Iggy is an all star and Tyreke isn't. Yet $2 million per year is all that separates their contracts. People really act like the Kings were offering Iggy a MAX contract...

Tyreke Evans TS% eFG% TO% 3pt% Off Rating Defensive Rating WinShares per 48mins Total Rebound% all the best of his career last season ..mind you in a lessor role than his rookie year or any year of his career ...

*spotted my typo MY apologies ... I meant to type "evolving"



#2 why would you bring up another players injury effecting Denver's playoffs struggle in a conversation about Iggys value to a team ... Wouldn't that essentially go exactly against that point by showing how another player plays a more critical role in that teams success than Iggy does ... Thus only furthering my point about his averageness?


BTW ...the warriors were missing ONE OF THEIR BEST PLAYERS .. and their only all star during that whole series ... as in UNABLE TO COMPETE ....So brining up Galos injury is simply a cop out ...both teams were missing key players yet the nuggets and Iggy failed miserably ....which is the story of his career .... He let a ROOKIE in Barnes essentially produce as his equal for cryin out loud!


And you wouldn't be paying "similar money" for "similar production" you would in fact be paying MORE money for LESS production ..statistically speaking ..


But you know what man ... It seems you have your mind made up ... I'm not going to try to convince you how this would have been a bad move anymore as its a moot point with the kings rescinding their offer anyways ...some of you kings fans have let the transgressions render you desperate for anything it seems ... Which is understandable .. But I just can't cosign that kind of mentality

[SacTownKings4Life]

Tyreke Evans TS% eFG% TO% 3pt% Off Rating Defensive Rating WinShares per 48mins Total Rebound% all the best of his career last season ..mind you in a lessor role than his rookie year or any year of his career ...

*spotted my typo MY apologies ... I meant to type "evolving"



#2 why would you bring up another players injury effecting Denver's playoffs struggle in a conversation about Iggys value to a team ... Wouldn't that essentially go exactly against that point by showing how another player plays a more critical role in that teams success than Iggy does ... Thus only furthering my point about his averageness?


BTW ...the warriors were missing ONE OF THEIR BEST PLAYERS .. and their only all star during that whole series ... as in UNABLE TO COMPETE ....So brining up Galos injury is simply a cop out ...both teams were missing key players yet the nuggets and Iggy failed miserably ....which is the story of his career .... He let a ROOKIE in Barnes essentially produce as his equal for cryin out loud!


And you wouldn't be paying "similar money" for "similar production" you would in fact be paying MORE money for LESS production ..statistically speaking ..


But you know what man ... It seems you have your mind made up ... I'm not going to try to convince you how this would have been a bad move anymore as its a moot point with the kings rescinding their offer anyways ...some of you kings fans have let the transgressions render you desperate for anything it seems ... Which is understandable .. But I just can't cosign that kind of mentality

On a team with no clear cut superstar, it becomes more of a collective TEAM effort to get things done. They don't run a system conducive to one man dominating the whole show. Everybody has to play an equal part. Denver just so happened to be missing their best shooter. And it didn't exactly hurt the Warriors that THEIR best 3 point shooter absolutely caught fire. But even so, Denver STILL almost came all the way back, but ultimately their lead was too much. My Kings had a very similarly structured team back in the day. But one thing people don't remember is that OUR best shooter (Peja) was hurt at the time of the WCF, only played half the series and struggled. Imagine if he had been healthy. More 3's for him and less 3's for Doug Christie.

Maybe I am desperate for something more to look forward to that 20 wins every season. If you had witnessed as many bad seasons from your team as I have, perhaps you might have a slightly different outlook. But yeah, now both players are off the table, so I suppose we just dodged two bullets.