Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[Bobalob]

'All he does is score'

As if teams are winning games by taking charges. Please

[Johnny Bball]

"You're getting everything you want," Billups said. "You're getting all the shots you want, you're playing for a great coach, when the game is on the line they're coming to you, you're playing on national TV every week. To me, I don't get it. Everybody has their own desires. Maybe he wants to be Russell Westbrook and go try to win the MVP and get all the shots. That's the only thing sense I can make of it and to me that doesn't make sense."

Kind of messed up of Billups to basically throw Irving under the bus like that....I mean I get people are allowed to speak their mind but sheesh

Kind of messed up that Billups just said no to being in Cleveland but its not ok for another guy to not want to be in Cleveland!

[MartinToVaught]

I said playoffs. Ya know, where he actually improves his stats.

Playoffs... where Kyrie was invisible for all but a few games last year. Where were you when he was shooting 21% from three against Indiana and putting up a ghastly 49% TS% against Toronto? How many playoff appearances has Kyrie led a team to without LeBron there?

And you must be crazy if you think the burden is on ME to prove what kyrie does

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Steve Kerr and John Paxson have that on their resume as well. By your logic, a team like the current Nuggets should have traded the farm for one of those guys back then. You know, since they're "a bird in the hand."

[jbk1234]

"You're getting everything you want," Billups said. "You're getting all the shots you want, you're playing for a great coach, when the game is on the line they're coming to you, you're playing on national TV every week. To me, I don't get it. Everybody has their own desires. Maybe he wants to be Russell Westbrook and go try to win the MVP and get all the shots. That's the only thing sense I can make of it and to me that doesn't make sense."

Kind of messed up of Billups to basically throw Irving under the bus like that....I mean I get people are allowed to speak their mind but sheesh

Kind of messed up that Billups just said no to being in Cleveland but its not ok for another guy to not want to be in Cleveland!

I don't think Billups ever intended on taking the job. I don't think it's a coincidence that the took the Cavs offer back to ESPN and ended up with a raise.

[Bobalob]

I said playoffs. Ya know, where he actually improves his stats.

Playoffs... where Kyrie was invisible for all but a few games last year. Where were you when he was shooting 21% from three against Indiana and putting up a ghastly 49% TS% against Toronto? How many playoff appearances has Kyrie led a team to without LeBron there?

And you must be crazy if you think the burden is on ME to prove what kyrie does

Watch on YouTube

Please

Steve Kerr and John Paxson have those on their resume as well. By your logic, a team like the current Nuggets should have traded the farm for one of those guys back then. You know, since they're "a bird in the hand."

Rrrright...

2015-16 Playoffs 25.2ppg, 4.7apg, 47% fg, 44% 3pt
2016-17 Playoffs 25.9ppg, 5.3apg, 46.8%fg, 37.3% 3pt

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html

As the late great Shawty Lo said: must be two sides!

[OsuCavsfan103]

"You're getting everything you want," Billups said. "You're getting all the shots you want, you're playing for a great coach, when the game is on the line they're coming to you, you're playing on national TV every week. To me, I don't get it. Everybody has their own desires. Maybe he wants to be Russell Westbrook and go try to win the MVP and get all the shots. That's the only thing sense I can make of it and to me that doesn't make sense."

Kind of messed up of Billups to basically throw Irving under the bus like that....I mean I get people are allowed to speak their mind but sheesh

Kind of messed up that Billups just said no to being in Cleveland but its not ok for another guy to not want to be in Cleveland!

No it's isn't at all, those are two completely different things, both in contract (fa vs not) and in position in the organization etc... not to mention history with the franchise.

[MartinToVaught]

I said playoffs. Ya know, where he actually improves his stats.

Playoffs... where Kyrie was invisible for all but a few games last year. Where were you when he was shooting 21% from three against Indiana and putting up a ghastly 49% TS% against Toronto? How many playoff appearances has Kyrie led a team to without LeBron there?

And you must be crazy if you think the burden is on ME to prove what kyrie does

Watch on YouTube

Please

Steve Kerr and John Paxson have those on their resume as well. By your logic, a team like the current Nuggets should have traded the farm for one of those guys back then. You know, since they're "a bird in the hand."

Rrrright...

2015-16 Playoffs 25.2ppg, 4.7apg, 47% fg, 44% 3pt
2016-17 Playoffs 25.9ppg, 5.3apg, 46.8%fg, 37.3% 3pt

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html

As the late great Shawty Lo said: must be two sides!

Glad we've established that he doesn't consistently get you 40% from three, and that while he can score, his all-around game needs work.

Going back to the Raptors series last season, Kyrie scored 22.3 PPG that series. You'd probably say it was a good series for him because of the PPGz. The rest of us see the terrible TS% - and the fact that he had to lead the Cavs in FGA just to score that much - and shake our heads at the idea that trading the farm for him is a no-brainer. Especially since he's not going to make up for performances like that by playing defense or getting others involved.

Don't get me wrong - scoring at the point guard position is more important than ever. But Kyrie is still too far to the extreme right now and lacks too many other skills to live up to his "superstar" image.

[Bobalob]

Playoffs... where Kyrie was invisible for all but a few games last year. Where were you when he was shooting 21% from three against Indiana and putting up a ghastly 49% TS% against Toronto? How many playoff appearances has Kyrie led a team to without LeBron there?


Steve Kerr and John Paxson have those on their resume as well. By your logic, a team like the current Nuggets should have traded the farm for one of those guys back then. You know, since they're "a bird in the hand."

Rrrright...

2015-16 Playoffs 25.2ppg, 4.7apg, 47% fg, 44% 3pt
2016-17 Playoffs 25.9ppg, 5.3apg, 46.8%fg, 37.3% 3pt

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html

As the late great Shawty Lo said: must be two sides!

Glad we've established that he doesn't consistently get you 40% from three, and that while he can score, his all-around game needs work.

Going back to the Raptors series last season, Kyrie scored 22.3 PPG that series. You'd probably say it was a good series for him because of the PPGz. The rest of us see the terrible TS% - and the fact that he had to lead the Cavs in FGA just to score that much - and shake our heads at the idea that trading the farm for him is a no-brainer.

My guy those are his overall averages for a 20 game period. Why would you ignore that and instead analyze a smaller sample size, 4 games in a sweep at that

Wait, are you actually debating the concept of the term "average". Allllrighty.

Please, keep typing and educate us more on the topic of statistical means. Go ahead, hit reply

[John Murdoch]

Haven't read much of this discussion but what about the 76ers? They have plenty of nice young players they can give away and last i checked they need a proven pg who can score. Fultz or Simmons for Kyrie?

Simmons are you nuts? Dude is a generational player

[MartinToVaught]

Rrrright...

2015-16 Playoffs 25.2ppg, 4.7apg, 47% fg, 44% 3pt
2016-17 Playoffs 25.9ppg, 5.3apg, 46.8%fg, 37.3% 3pt

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html

As the late great Shawty Lo said: must be two sides!

Glad we've established that he doesn't consistently get you 40% from three, and that while he can score, his all-around game needs work.

Going back to the Raptors series last season, Kyrie scored 22.3 PPG that series. You'd probably say it was a good series for him because of the PPGz. The rest of us see the terrible TS% - and the fact that he had to lead the Cavs in FGA just to score that much - and shake our heads at the idea that trading the farm for him is a no-brainer.

My guy those are his overall averages for a 20 game period. Why would you ignore that and instead analyze a smaller sample size, 4 games in a sweep at that

Wait, are you actually debating the concept of the term "average". Allllrighty.

Please, keep typing and educate us more on the topic of statistical means. Go ahead, hit reply

I'm harping on that series because it's a textbook example of the Kyrie that exists outside of the highlights that people point to to overrate him as a player. The Kyrie that makes people comfortable throwing around Marbury comparisons and uncomfortable trading the farm for him.

[Bobalob]

Glad we've established that he doesn't consistently get you 40% from three, and that while he can score, his all-around game needs work.

Going back to the Raptors series last season, Kyrie scored 22.3 PPG that series. You'd probably say it was a good series for him because of the PPGz. The rest of us see the terrible TS% - and the fact that he had to lead the Cavs in FGA just to score that much - and shake our heads at the idea that trading the farm for him is a no-brainer.

My guy those are his overall averages for a 20 game period. Why would you ignore that and instead analyze a smaller sample size, 4 games in a sweep at that

Wait, are you actually debating the concept of the term "average". Allllrighty.

Please, keep typing and educate us more on the topic of statistical means. Go ahead, hit reply

I'm harping on that series because it's a textbook example of the Kyrie that exists outside of the highlights that people point to to overrate him as a player. The Kyrie that makes people comfortable throwing around Marbury comparisons and uncomfortable trading the farm for him.

So what he does vs Indy or toronto in sweeps holds more weight than what he does down 3-1 with the title on the line?? Bruh...

[Bobalob]

Man I love basketball reference.

2016 down 3-2 AT golden state Kyrie was 17/24, 5/7 from 3, 41pts 6asists

'Iso volume scoring'

[zimpy27]

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Vegas know something we don't?

Melo, O'Quinn and Lee for Irving, shump, jr

[phanman]

My guy those are his overall averages for a 20 game period. Why would you ignore that and instead analyze a smaller sample size, 4 games in a sweep at that

Wait, are you actually debating the concept of the term "average". Allllrighty.

Please, keep typing and educate us more on the topic of statistical means. Go ahead, hit reply

I'm harping on that series because it's a textbook example of the Kyrie that exists outside of the highlights that people point to to overrate him as a player. The Kyrie that makes people comfortable throwing around Marbury comparisons and uncomfortable trading the farm for him.

Every player is prone to having a bad series though, so its not all doom and gloom even if you glance over those series figures.

- He had a bad series against the Pacers and thus the scoreboard is indicative of that with the margin of victory being just 1, 6, 5, and 4 including that game in which LeBron led them back with the bench squad.

- The Raptors one was bad individually but they did destroy Toronto by 11, 21, 22, and 7. In fact in this particular series with his shot struggling he was able to alter his game and up his assist for the series to 8.5 with 10, 11, 4, and 9.

- I mean if you are nitpicking why ignore his series against the Celtics where he flashed his brilliance: 25.8pts, 2reb, 5.4ast, 1.2stl, 0.4blk on 62/50/92 76.3%TS in 35.4mpg

- He was pretty amazing in the finals against the Cavs with: 29.4pts, 4reb, 4.4ast, 1stl on 47/42/90 55.8%TS in 40.3mpg and his array of finishes around the rim were nothing short of amazing.

People forget that the guy is still only 25yo and although his a born scorer he does possess the ability to get his team mates involved if need be. He just doesn't get to play the PG role with LeBron on the team and rightfully so.

I really don't get the trade request though, he just wrapped up his best individual season of his career with a career high 25.2pts(up 5.6pts), 5.8ast(up 1.1) with a highs in fg%(47.3), ft%(90.5) and ts%(58). It seemed like him a Bron were really starting to click and if Bron really does bolt after next season he has the reigns to the franchise to continue without him as the de-facto leader.

[YaBoyKD]

Kind of messed up of Billups to basically throw Irving under the bus like that....I mean I get people are allowed to speak their mind but sheesh

Kind of messed up that Billups just said no to being in Cleveland but its not ok for another guy to not want to be in Cleveland!

No it's isn't at all, those are two completely different things, both in contract (fa vs not) and in position in the organization etc... not to mention history with the franchise.

Billups had a chance to say no. Kyrie not so much

[cochiseuofm]

Sigh.

Hundreds of thousands of years of wisdom: A bird in the hand (a known star) beats 2 in the bush

vs.

Average realgm fan: Naaah, i wanna wait n see how good Garry Harris becomes.

Are you using actual NBA history in your "wisdom"? Because there are tons of examples of teams trading two or three in the bush for one in the hand and regretting it greatly later...

[LakerLegend]

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/adam-silver-kyrie-irving-trade-request-upsetting/#vjAJHRo6TPyciLcg.97

“I feel bad for whatever is going on in Cleveland. I assume where there’s smoke there’s fire,” Silver said during a wide-ranging interview on The Rich Eisen Show Monday. “It’s upsetting to when you see superstar players who have coexisted and have had so much success together — three Finals in a row and one championship — to hear that for whatever reason there is a sense that they can’t continue to coexist.

“Yeah, that’s drama. But it’s not necessarily the kind of drama that the league wants.”

Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/adam-silver-kyrie-irving-trade-request-upsetting/#Ph51B4o169TsP2PR.99

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[Bologna Smasher]

A trade request by any player for any team is obviously going to be upsetting to the guys who run the NBA.

[G35]

For all those people knocking Kyries playmaking, how often are there two great playmakers on one team? It's really few teams that have two of them. When Lebron is averaging 7-8 ASTS per game how elite do you think Kyrie can get with his playmaking?......

[LakerLegend]

Trade Kyrie for Aldridge and Love for Melo:

Rose
Smith
James
Melo
Aldridge