Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers

[disruptv3]

I don’t disagree. However if I’m the 76ers, I get word up to LeBron camp that “we can put the wheels in motion to get George, Kawhi and you LeBron”

Even if Kawhi doesn’t resign, if I’m the 76ers I take the risk and try to put the team together at worse, it’s simmons, lbj and George

Well sure its a great deal for the Sixers if it gets LeBron to sign with them. Its just from LeBron's pov I doubt he would go for it. I don't think he is as desperate as some people think when it comes to being the favorite to win the title next year.

It would still be a huge risk to the 76ers because they essentially keep Kawhi for 1 year if he doesn’t re-sign and LeBron isn’t signing anything but a 1+1 no matter where he goes. LeBron likes the leverage the 1+1 gives him

[Dallas2020]

I can’t imagine that Philly would actually offer that without an extension promised.

Fultz has 0 value, Smith hasn't played a single game in the NBA, Saric is your average SF and the pick is 3 years from now. By that time Miami is likely to be a solid PO team. This package is crap. We are talking about Top 2 player.

Does the Lakers package really do anything? Lonzo’s shot still hasn’t proven to be consistent and brings outside drama and despite Ingram being a top pick he hasn’t really separated himself as a go to guy or franchise player.

No telling how Kyle Kuzma performs during year 2 when teams have him better scouted. Just saying it’s not like any of the Lakers prospects are showing great promise. Kuzma probably has the tools and attitude to pass the other two and those guys were number 2 picks.

Kuzma + Ingram is a great start.

[LAL]

Saric, Roco, zhaire and the miami pick sixers got from us is better than taking Deng back

Only if they are still trying to contend. In reality, if they trade Kawhi they should attempt to rebuild/tank, and in that case 2 years of Deng won't really have any impact on the team and the far greater upside of Ingram than anything the Sixers would offer would be well worth it.

An albatross of a contract doesn't help a team rebuilding at all. It acctually makes it harder. Deng contract vs 2021 unprotect heat pick is a no brainer for spurs.

Idk. In the best case scenarion the 2021 pick wont be a significant contributor until about 2024. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

[starbosa10]

Only if they are still trying to contend. In reality, if they trade Kawhi they should attempt to rebuild/tank, and in that case 2 years of Deng won't really have any impact on the team and the far greater upside of Ingram than anything the Sixers would offer would be well worth it.

An albatross of a contract doesn't help a team rebuilding at all. It acctually makes it harder. Deng contract vs 2021 unprotect heat pick is a no brainer for spurs.

Idk. In the best case scenarion the 2021 pick wont be a significant contributor until about 2024. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

Deng is contributing how?

[Gus McCrae]

"bonfide superstars in the making"

The point is, why pay for what you can get for free. The Lakers have a really good young core, and a superstar player takes that to new levels, so why trade all of that potential depth away just because your impatient or the players you want are. If these guys want to win with the best possible chances, they shouldn't want the Lakers to give up a lot to get them.

You're missing the obvious.

Scenario 1: Wait for Kawhi, PG stays in OKC. Lebron isn't coming to waste a year with those scrubs in LA.

Scenario 2: Wait for Kawhi, convince PG to come for max and get Lebron 1+1. Lakers won't have cap space to sign Kawhi to a max next year.

The only way the Lakers can get Lebron is to either land Kawhi THIS year or sign PG. Given Lebron want's to decide quickly the Lakers HAVE to do whatever it takes to land Kawhi. The Spurs know it and are playing hardball b/c they have Philly in the back pocket as a fallback option.

Sorry you have it backwards we don’t HAVE to do anything. All 3 of Lebron, PG13 and Lebron have either directly or indirectly implied they want to play for the Lakers. We have capspace for 2 of them and can keep our entire core. No need to panic and gut our roster for Kawhi.

[Cavsfansince84]

I don’t disagree. However if I’m the 76ers, I get word up to LeBron camp that “we can put the wheels in motion to get George, Kawhi and you LeBron”

Even if Kawhi doesn’t resign, if I’m the 76ers I take the risk and try to put the team together at worse, it’s simmons, lbj and George

Well sure its a great deal for the Sixers if it gets LeBron to sign with them. Its just from LeBron's pov I doubt he would go for it. I don't think he is as desperate as some people think when it comes to being the favorite to win the title next year.

It would still be a huge risk to the 76ers because they essentially keep Kawhi for 1 year if he doesn’t re-sign and LeBron isn’t signing anything but a 1+1 no matter where he goes. LeBron likes the leverage the 1+1 gives him

Well ya if LeBron goes with a 1+1 it might work. I'm just not sure he will actually do that. I don't think he really wants to spend the rest of his career as a 1+1 mercenary. I think he will sign a minimum 4 yr deal. I could be wrong but that's what I think he will do.

[LAL]

An albatross of a contract doesn't help a team rebuilding at all. It acctually makes it harder. Deng contract vs 2021 unprotect heat pick is a no brainer for spurs.

Idk. In the best case scenarion the 2021 pick wont be a significant contributor until about 2024. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

Deng is contributing how?

Because with Deng likely comes Ingram. The single best piece San Antonio is likely to acquire in any deal.

[Chinook]

Fultz has 0 value, Smith hasn't played a single game in the NBA, Saric is your average SF and the pick is 3 years from now. By that time Miami is likely to be a solid PO team. This package is crap. We are talking about Top 2 player.

Does the Lakers package really do anything? Lonzo’s shot still hasn’t proven to be consistent and brings outside drama and despite Ingram being a top pick he hasn’t really separated himself as a go to guy or franchise player.

No telling how Kyle Kuzma performs during year 2 when teams have him better scouted. Just saying it’s not like any of the Lakers prospects are showing great promise. Kuzma probably has the tools and attitude to pass the other two and those guys were number 2 picks.

Kuzma + Ingram is a great start.

It's a terrible start. Kuz has no value in this trade and Ingram is dicey.

[Black Mage]

The point is, why pay for what you can get for free. The Lakers have a really good young core, and a superstar player takes that to new levels, so why trade all of that potential depth away just because your impatient or the players you want are. If these guys want to win with the best possible chances, they shouldn't want the Lakers to give up a lot to get them.

You're missing the obvious.

Scenario 1: Wait for Kawhi, PG stays in OKC. Lebron isn't coming to waste a year with those scrubs in LA.

Scenario 2: Wait for Kawhi, convince PG to come for max and get Lebron 1+1. Lakers won't have cap space to sign Kawhi to a max next year.

The only way the Lakers can get Lebron is to either land Kawhi THIS year or sign PG. Given Lebron want's to decide quickly the Lakers HAVE to do whatever it takes to land Kawhi. The Spurs know it and are playing hardball b/c they have Philly in the back pocket as a fallback option.

Sorry you have it backwards we don’t HAVE to do anything. All 3 of Lebron, PG13 and Lebron have either directly or indirectly implied they want to play for the Lakers. We have capspace for 2 of them and can keep our entire core. No need to panic and gut our roster for Kawhi.

Yeah and Lebron just recently implied that he doesn't want to go to LA without another superstar already signed up. PG has implied he might return to OKC. Soooooooo..... if you don't get Kawhi now and PG takes awhile to figure things out or stays with OKC you don't get Lebron. It's that simple.

Also, Lebron, PG, Lonzo, Ingram and Kuzma aren't getting past Houston or Warriors.

[jstross]

Only if they are still trying to contend. In reality, if they trade Kawhi they should attempt to rebuild/tank, and in that case 2 years of Deng won't really have any impact on the team and the far greater upside of Ingram than anything the Sixers would offer would be well worth it.

An albatross of a contract doesn't help a team rebuilding at all. It acctually makes it harder. Deng contract vs 2021 unprotect heat pick is a no brainer for spurs.

Idk. In the best case scenarion the 2021 pick wont be a significant contributor until about 2024. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

So you think taking on a dead contract of $18 mil AAV for 2 years is a better asset than a 2021 unprotected pick? A lot of **** teams with good payers have time for that. Lakers are at a minimum trading a 1st rd pick to get rid of Deng's contract if they need the space.

[Dallas2020]

Does the Lakers package really do anything? Lonzo’s shot still hasn’t proven to be consistent and brings outside drama and despite Ingram being a top pick he hasn’t really separated himself as a go to guy or franchise player.

No telling how Kyle Kuzma performs during year 2 when teams have him better scouted. Just saying it’s not like any of the Lakers prospects are showing great promise. Kuzma probably has the tools and attitude to pass the other two and those guys were number 2 picks.

Kuzma + Ingram is a great start.

It's a terrible start. Kuz has no value in this trade and Ingram is dicey.

Better than Fultz+Saric.

[jstross]

Idk. In the best case scenarion the 2021 pick wont be a significant contributor until about 2024. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

Deng is contributing how?

Because with Deng likely comes Ingram. The single best piece San Antonio is likely to acquire in any deal.

Leonard >>>> than Ingram and it's not close so why the heck would the Spurs take on Deng for an inferior piece? In conference to boot. Makes no sense at all.

[Chinook]

Kuzma + Ingram is a great start.

It's a terrible start. Kuz has no value in this trade and Ingram is dicey.

Better than Fultz+Saric.

It's not even better than Fultz OR Saric.

[zshawn10]

The Lakers have been weighing the conservation of young assets and future draft picks against the possibility of getting shut out in free agency. The Lakers hoped to lure James and George in free agency, which would give them more leverage in Leonard trade talks, or simply for the ability to wait until next year to sign Leonard.

The price for Leonard would be substantial. The Lakers could have to surrender a combination of former first-round picks -- from Ingram, Kyle Kuzma and Josh Hart -- and future first-round picks and perhaps restricted free agent Julius Randle in a sign-and-trade agreement.

The Spurs could also push the Lakers to take an unappealing contract off their books. Those are all deal points that would be applicable to leverage, which belongs to the Spurs as long as Lakers president Magic Johnson and general manager Rob Pelinka haven't delivered yet on the promise of a blue-chip free agent.

http://espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard

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[damedash09]

Rc buford the man between the inevitable super team

[LAL]

An albatross of a contract doesn't help a team rebuilding at all. It acctually makes it harder. Deng contract vs 2021 unprotect heat pick is a no brainer for spurs.

Idk. In the best case scenarion the 2021 pick wont be a significant contributor until about 2024. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

So you think taking on a dead contract of $18 mil AAV for 2 years is a better asset than a 2021 unprotected pick? A lot of **** teams with good payers have time for that. Lakers are at a minimum trading a 1st rd pick to get rid of Deng's contract if they need the space.

We’re talking about a trade package here. Not about Deng vs draft pick.

[jstross]

omg, how many times is the same post going to be added to the thread? We know that the LAkers and Spurs are talking again. Spurs obviously want to pump up the value of Leonard.

[LAL]

Deng is contributing how?

Because with Deng likely comes Ingram. The single best piece San Antonio is likely to acquire in any deal.

Leonard >>>> than Ingram and it's not close so why the heck would the Spurs take on Deng for an inferior piece? In conference to boot. Makes no sense at all.

I guess if you think Leonard will stay a Spur long term. That doesn’t seem to be too popular of an opinion though. He wants to leave so the Spurs would be wise to take what they can get.

[DieYoung]

Saric, Roco, zhaire and the miami pick sixers got from us is better than taking Deng back

Only if they are still trying to contend. In reality, if they trade Kawhi they should attempt to rebuild/tank, and in that case 2 years of Deng won't really have any impact on the team and the far greater upside of Ingram than anything the Sixers would offer would be well worth it.

Ingram has no upside worth talking about. He's a neg RPM, sub-15 PER talent. Shooting is nothing to write home about(53 TS). Injury prone too. What a great prospect. Def worth taking on Deng's horrible contract. If Pop/Buford want to drive the franchise out of the city, there's quicker ways to do it than forcing the fans to endure years of watching leftover garbage from the Lakers. Might as well trade Kawhi to OKC for Carmelo and be done with it.

Sixers package is better by default because those youngsters haven't been tainted with the cancer known as the Lakers youth development program.

[TommyPoints]

In reality there probably hasn’t even been much talking by anyone. The media like to string us along.