Has Lebron always been this whiny dude that doesn't take accountability for himself/failures?

[Snotbubbles]

It's like marrying a porn star and then complaining when she sleeps with everybody at work.

[XxIronChainzxX]

I don't think its cut and clear that LeBron is better than Kobe from a career prescriptive, at least not according to former players in the NBA. He is doing a lot of harm to his legacy in his first year in LA tbh.

It absolutely is clear cut. The only people who disagree are the "muh five ringz" folks.

PER: MJ - 1st; LeBron - 2nd; Kobe - 25th

Win shares: MJ - 4th; LeBron - 5th; Kobe - 18th

BPM: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 37th

VORP: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 17th.

Those are individual statistical measures that a lot of former players don't really seem to care about. A lot of guys in the media who played in the NBA lean towards kobe/including kobe in the conversation including T-Mac, Shaq, A.I., MJ, Bird etc. Maybe they see something beyond BPM or VORP or maybe they just all conspire to hate LeBron.

Players suck at evaluating talent. Just look at LeGM. The former NBA players who actually have a proven record of building winners and identifying talent - guys like West - heap praise on LeBron.

The answer isn't that they see something special or that they're conspiring to hate LBJ. It's that they suck at being scouts.

[smartyz456]

where have you been for the past decade op?

lebron has always been a bitch in his entire career

makes me sick to hear that a prima donna like him is a laker

[improper]

I mean, he did it to the Cavs the past four years but largely no one noticed because sports media hates Cleveland and only ever took LeBron's side even when he was clearly at fault, like in pushing Kyrie away and then doing absolutely nothing to repair the relationship after he requested a trade.

LeBron is the greatest player ever imo, but he's also an insufferable, self-centered prick.

[nikster]

Tried to get Erik Spoelstra fired, got David Blatt fired, and now on his way in getting Luke Walton fired. LeBron is a coach killer.

SO you only listed only one coach actually getting fired and he’s a “coach killer”

Doesent change the fact that he actively tries to get a Coach fired, if he doesent like them.

Any proof he “actively” tried to get Spolestra or Walton fired?

[yesh]

LeCast never makes excuses for himself

Yeesh, I have no idea why he did that either.

Lebron is a smart guy, but he sometimes has an incredible lack of self awareness

Unfortunately we both know exactly why he did that!

[laika]

LeBron was indeed great and is flat out better then Kobe from a career perspective. Beyond that, I agree with your assessment on current LeBron.

He currently plays to avoid blame (first and foremost).

I don't think its cut and clear that LeBron is better than Kobe from a career prescriptive, at least not according to former players in the NBA. He is doing a lot of harm to his legacy in his first year in LA tbh.

It absolutely is clear cut. The only people who disagree are the "muh five ringz" folks.

PER: MJ - 1st; LeBron - 2nd; Kobe - 25th

Win shares: MJ - 4th; LeBron - 5th; Kobe - 18th

BPM: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 37th

VORP: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 17th.

Its is crazy to dismiss winning when talking about the all time greats. Yes Lebron wins in the not-that-accurate box score metric contests. But Kobe still has significantly more meaningful wins. Outside of Shaq and Kobe the Lakers championship teams were fairly weak, so the supporting cast argument doesn't help Lebron that much either.

Here is how basketball reference ranks things-
1.Kareem
2.Jordan
3.Russell
4.Kobe
5.Wilt
6.Lebron
7.Duncan

[enigmatics]

Lebron is the best player on the planet and has been to the NBA finals 8 straight seasons.

The question should be, why is Lebron to blame for the Lakers failures this season when a) the team has been much better when he’s in the lineup and b) all he’s done throughout his career is win at a high level?

Just so happened to be that he got lucky the East was historically futile in those 8 years.

Dude is a phony champion. Wonder if he pulls up to Staples rockin' Timberlake's "Cry Me a River" every game.

[RCM88x]

I don't think its cut and clear that LeBron is better than Kobe from a career prescriptive, at least not according to former players in the NBA. He is doing a lot of harm to his legacy in his first year in LA tbh.

It absolutely is clear cut. The only people who disagree are the "muh five ringz" folks.

PER: MJ - 1st; LeBron - 2nd; Kobe - 25th

Win shares: MJ - 4th; LeBron - 5th; Kobe - 18th

BPM: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 37th

VORP: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 17th.

Its is crazy to dismiss winning when talking about the all time greats. Yes Lebron wins in the not-that-accurate box score metric contests. But Kobe still has significantly more meaningful wins. Outside of Shaq and Kobe the Lakers championship teams were fairly weak, so the supporting cast argument doesn't help Lebron that much either.

Here is how basketball reference ranks things-
1.Kareem
2.Jordan
3.Russell
4.Kobe
5.Wilt
6.Lebron
7.Duncan

Do you have a link to that ranking?

[The4thHorseman]

I don't enjoy watching Lebron play. He just kind of floats and fills the stat box with little effort. I don't think he's nearly as good as his numbers indicate. He's always been aware of his stats and analytics and I think he shapes his game in a very stat friendly way, and rarely takes risks. I think he's a guy who is extremely sensitive to failure. He feels as long as he puts up stats he has done his part, and if the team fails it's because other guys didn't do the same. Guys who are killers just put themselves all out there and don't hold anything back. They want to rip your heart out at all costs. Lebron doesn't naturally have that in him. That's why he talks about being "activated". It's something he has to make a conscious effort to do. He's a great physical talent, but I don't see this "greatness" that fans from the east claimed since he was a teenager. Former greats seem to agree as well. He is no MJ or Kobe.

Nothing funny about that. Kobe tore his Achilles carrying an old squad of bums to the playoffs in a more competitive western conference while LeBron out there throwing teammates under the bus yet again.

Dwight Howard that season made an All-NBA team and also led the league in rebounding.

Gasol's first year away from LA (2014-15) he led the league in double double's with 54.

Old bums??.........



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[laika]

It's the hall of fame probability rankings, which is essentially an all time ranking.

[ajdontwatchthat]

I mean, he did it to the Cavs the past four years but largely no one noticed because sports media hates Cleveland and only ever took LeBron's side even when he was clearly at fault, like in pushing Kyrie away and then doing absolutely nothing to repair the relationship after he requested a trade.

LeBron is the greatest player ever imo, but he's also an insufferable, self-centered prick.

You are the only person with a Cavs flag that is actually objective about LeBron instead of blinding stanning like the rest.

Respect.

[tribulations]

Lebron is the best player on the planet and has been to the NBA finals 8 straight seasons.

The question should be, why is Lebron to blame for the Lakers failures this season when a) the team has been much better when he’s in the lineup and b) all he’s done throughout his career is win at a high level?

*in the East

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[LKN]

I don't think its cut and clear that LeBron is better than Kobe from a career prescriptive, at least not according to former players in the NBA. He is doing a lot of harm to his legacy in his first year in LA tbh.

It absolutely is clear cut. The only people who disagree are the "muh five ringz" folks.

PER: MJ - 1st; LeBron - 2nd; Kobe - 25th

Win shares: MJ - 4th; LeBron - 5th; Kobe - 18th

BPM: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 37th

VORP: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 17th.

Its is crazy to dismiss winning when talking about the all time greats. Yes Lebron wins in the not-that-accurate box score metric contests. But Kobe still has significantly more meaningful wins. Outside of Shaq and Kobe the Lakers championship teams were fairly weak, so the supporting cast argument doesn't help Lebron that much either.

Here is how basketball reference ranks things-
1.Kareem
2.Jordan
3.Russell
4.Kobe
5.Wilt
6.Lebron
7.Duncan

Kobe is a really good player - but his fans are really good at getting people to hate on him.

[thebigbird]

It absolutely is clear cut. The only people who disagree are the "muh five ringz" folks.

PER: MJ - 1st; LeBron - 2nd; Kobe - 25th

Win shares: MJ - 4th; LeBron - 5th; Kobe - 18th

BPM: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 37th

VORP: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 17th.

Its is crazy to dismiss winning when talking about the all time greats. Yes Lebron wins in the not-that-accurate box score metric contests. But Kobe still has significantly more meaningful wins. Outside of Shaq and Kobe the Lakers championship teams were fairly weak, so the supporting cast argument doesn't help Lebron that much either.

Here is how basketball reference ranks things-
1.Kareem
2.Jordan
3.Russell
4.Kobe
5.Wilt
6.Lebron
7.Duncan

Kobe is a really good player - but his fans are really good at getting people to hate on him.

I agree with this completely. Objectively, Kobe is an all-time great. He's one of the 15 best players to ever play in the NBA. But his stans make people hate on him when they incessantly try pigeonholing him into the top 5.

[thebigbird]

I don't think its cut and clear that LeBron is better than Kobe from a career prescriptive, at least not according to former players in the NBA. He is doing a lot of harm to his legacy in his first year in LA tbh.

It absolutely is clear cut. The only people who disagree are the "muh five ringz" folks.

PER: MJ - 1st; LeBron - 2nd; Kobe - 25th

Win shares: MJ - 4th; LeBron - 5th; Kobe - 18th

BPM: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 37th

VORP: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 17th.

Its is crazy to dismiss winning when talking about the all time greats. Yes Lebron wins in the not-that-accurate box score metric contests. But Kobe still has significantly more meaningful wins. Outside of Shaq and Kobe the Lakers championship teams were fairly weak, so the supporting cast argument doesn't help Lebron that much either.

Here is how basketball reference ranks things-
1.Kareem
2.Jordan
3.Russell
4.Kobe
5.Wilt
6.Lebron
7.Duncan

No one is dismissing winning. In 12 seasons as the best player on his team, Kobe has 2 rings and 3 finals appearances. In 15 years as the best player on his team, Lebron has 3 rings and 9 finals appearances.

[JonFromVA]

Why is he always throwing his team under the bus? Is he trying to sound smart or better for the cameras/media? How come he never takes blame/accountability for his own play or his own lack of defense and poor leadership.

LeBron is very pre-meditated. He's pointing fingers because he thinks it will help focus his teammates.

If the media would get on him more for his defensive lapses, maybe he'd have to actually bother to deflect blame.

[cpower]

"I ain't never played in a super team before!"

[An Unbiased Fan]

It absolutely is clear cut. The only people who disagree are the "muh five ringz" folks.

PER: MJ - 1st; LeBron - 2nd; Kobe - 25th

Win shares: MJ - 4th; LeBron - 5th; Kobe - 18th

BPM: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 37th

VORP: MJ - 2nd; LeBron - 1st; Kobe - 17th.

Its is crazy to dismiss winning when talking about the all time greats. Yes Lebron wins in the not-that-accurate box score metric contests. But Kobe still has significantly more meaningful wins. Outside of Shaq and Kobe the Lakers championship teams were fairly weak, so the supporting cast argument doesn't help Lebron that much either.

Here is how basketball reference ranks things-
1.Kareem
2.Jordan
3.Russell
4.Kobe
5.Wilt
6.Lebron
7.Duncan

No one is dismissing winning. In 12 seasons as the best player on his team, Kobe has 2 rings and 3 finals appearances. In 15 years as the best player on his team, Lebron has 3 rings and 9 finals appearances.

This is nonsense. Kobe was All-NBA when he won 5 rings/7 Finals. It's like saying Montana or Rice shouldn't get full credit for rings due to playing with each other. Or how about Magic/KAJ.

[NBAFan93]

Why is he always throwing his team under the bus? Is he trying to sound smart or better for the cameras/media? How come he never takes blame/accountability for his own play or his own lack of defense and poor leadership.

When he's doing good or setting records, he is the first person that posts on IG patting his back. Or when his team is winning "this is our squad and I love them". Then literally the next day he calls his teammates losers that don't know how to win games.

How can any teammate want to play for him? This is why Kawhi, Durant, PG don't want to play with him and will go somewhere that there is no Lebron. He literally can't go 1 loss without throwing the whole team under the bus.

He has not always been this way, a lot of times in Cleveland he took full responsibility when his teammates where doing their jobs...yet they lost. But in this instance I think he is suggesting that younger players on the roster are a lost cause this season because they were mostly all on the block for Davis who is a client of Klutch. Lebron is not going to motivate that core of youth to do anything at this point and it's a lost season for the Lakers as a result/.

Yeah, he never said anything like this with the Cavs. I guess there were some weird dynamics the first year with Love but it was never a criticism of his play, or even direct criticism towards anyone.

I think he said a few questionable things during the 2017 season when they were underperforming - that “we need a playmaker” stuff - but I agree that when he was on the Cavs he really didn’t trash his teammates this way. I don’t recall any incidents in Miami either.

The media has ALWAYS trashed LeBron’s teammates so the idea that he’s thrown people under the bus might get into peoples heads subconsciously, but he himself rarely blames others IMO. Even this clip is nowhere near as bad as that stuff Kyrie said recently about the Celtics. Wade and Butler also 100 times worse that season they were together on the Bulls.