What exactly makes Tatum more talked about/ranked higher than Pascal Siakim?

[DaTruth34]

Siakam played as a first option in a Play off team that almost arrived to the finals?
Nope
Can siakam create is own shot as Tatum does?
Nope
Siakam Is a very good player, very good.
But is not Tatum

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[ShazamDaShiznt]

Tatum is 4 years younger than Siakam, that's what makes him more talked about and higher ranked player, he's got more potential. Players dont hit their prime at the age of 20, not yet. It's rare that a 20 year old guy just stops improving for the rest of his career. This only happens to bad work ethic players and Tatum clearly is willing to become the best player he can be.

[The_Hater]

well to be frank, i don't think we have seen a player like Siakam, with late player development in the sport to be as good as he is.

we get the motor - that can't be taught. natural court sense like knowing where people are on the court - can't be taught.

but his improvement in shooting, handling the ball, post moves - are all phenomenal vs a guy like Tatum - who's had more time to development into the game.

Siakam's development isn't the rule - he's the exception

Exactly. The thing is, the Raptor’s have now had 3 such players in recent years because both Lowry and Derozan showed later than expected development. Not as much improvement as Siakam, but still outside the normal curve. I’m guessing some Raptor fans are going to expect this all the time now.

Derozan and Lowry have been playing ball forever, they needed all the assistants to further develop their games and controlling their game since Derozan would be Wiggins without great coaching. Lowry would be Felton if he didn't have a great organization backing him.

Raps have had probably some of the best bench of assistants in the last 4 years.

I’m always weary on giving NBA coaches to much credit in this regard. For most of them, this isn’t a priority. Having a work ethic and putting in the individual hours to improve is most important. Derozan has that work ethic, Wiggins doesn’t.

[d00lttle]

Siakam played as a first option in a Play off team that almost arrived to the finals?
Nope
Can siakam create is own shot as Tatum does?
Nope
Siakam Is a very good player, very good.
But is not Tatum

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I don't know about this. Can anyone pull up the ISO stats for the two? I feel like nobody can stop Siakim one-on-one in half-court isolation this year.

[King Ken]

Siakam played as a first option in a Play off team that almost arrived to the finals?
Nope
Can siakam create is own shot as Tatum does?
Nope
Siakam Is a very good player, very good.
But is not Tatum

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Siakam can create with ease, his improvement from last year to this year is crazy

[JermaineOYea]

I read about Siakim every single day on RealGM, via a new thread that's created about every 14 minutes or so on the guy.

Who's Jason Tatum? All I know is LeBron James, Pascal Siakim, and some guy named Russell Westbrook who isn't even good enough to play in the G-League.

Jason Tatum? Is he related to Channing?

[Alfred]

Can siakam create is own shot as Tatum does?
Nope

A significant portion of Siakam’s offense is created by himself. He’s the guy with the ball in his hands making plays.

[TD224490]

I still don't get all this overrated hype Tatum gets. It's laughable how people think Tatum plus picks is far more valuable than Kuzma+Ingram+Lonzo+Picks. All I hear is "BUt TAtuM iS YoUNgeR"

Out of that list, Kuzma is the only good player. Ingram was possibly the worst defender in the league last season and he didn't improve much this year. Lonzo cannot shoot.. And the picks are (best case scenario) late first round. Meanwhile, Tatum was leading his team in points in 3-4 games of the eastern finals. I mean, come on man.. And, I imagine the Pelicans would ask for Tatum+Brown. That is the perfect combination to rebuild with.

Actually Ingram is playing better averaging 19ppg and 25ppg in his last 7 games.

Lonzo is a stud.

Draft picks are uncertain in the future but this years looks to be in the middle of the round.

Other than that, you are 100% right and wise about the Lakers.

Ok, Ingram is playing better. In terms of offensive production, I would say he is a pretty good player. He was last year too.. Still a 13.3 PER but he does has a 55 TS Lonzo, on the other hand is giving them 9.9 points, 40% field goal percentage, 33% from the tree and 5.4 assists in 30 minutes. He has a TS of 47. This is what an injured Calderon looks like in 30 minutes per game.

Out of all this stuff.. I believe the most important person who helps all these players look good is Lebron James. He has a magical ability to raise all other players advanced stats.

[timO]

Tatum is 20 and Siakam is 24.

On a month 25 vs 21.

[johanliebert]

Siakam played as a first option in a Play off team that almost arrived to the finals?
Nope
Can siakam create is own shot as Tatum does?
Nope
Siakam Is a very good player, very good.
But is not Tatum

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Siakam can create with ease, his improvement from last year to this year is crazy

He clearly mean **** creating ability. Siakim doesn’t have the footwork or shooting touch.

Yea he can beat most bigs off the dribble that’s how he scores or beating teams down the floor.

If you need a bucket Tatum is who you go to.

[GrandTheftRondo]

It's **** amusing reading all these threads where posters **** on Tatum because he hasn't turned into a superstar player in year two.

Don't get me wrong I think Siakim is better right now and deserves more talk.

But what Tatum did in year one was mighty impressive, particularly the playoff stuff. Same with Simmons and Mitchell. Development isn't the same for every player in the NBA and there's been plenty examples of solid rookie seasons and that player then taking a few years to build substantially on it.

One of Tatum's biggest issues is his body type right now. So for people on here to downplay the age difference because Siakim started playing basketball later is quite bizarre. Tatum played a few more years as a kid so what? All it means is that Siakim was starting from a much lower point. It doesn't mean Siakim is going to continue to grow by such large amounts each season. Tatum's body is still yet to fill out. Once he fills out I have no doubt in my mind he will be a tough cover. He has the skills and size to finish at the basket, once you add some weight and muscle he'll able to get to the rim much easier. This non-sense about him not being athletic at all is truly odd to me. He isn't a jump out of the gym sort of player but he can get up just fine and he certainly doesn't move that slow. He seems scared of going to the basket all the time because of his frame.

[d00lttle]

Isn't Pascal factually the better player and better all around?

only thing I can think of is age and shot creating abilities (pascal is still more efficient)

Yes, unequivocally.

[Ions]

Tater Tots ain't got nothing on Pascal

[ruffian253]

It's **** amusing reading all these threads where posters **** on Tatum because he hasn't turned into a superstar player in year two.

Don't get me wrong I think Siakim is better right now and deserves more talk.

But what Tatum did in year one was mighty impressive, particularly the playoff stuff. Same with Simmons and Mitchell. Development isn't the same for every player in the NBA and there's been plenty examples of solid rookie seasons and that player then taking a few years to build substantially on it.

One of Tatum's biggest issues is his body type right now. So for people on here to downplay the age difference because Siakim started playing basketball later is quite bizarre. Tatum played a few more years as a kid so what? All it means is that Siakim was starting from a much lower point. It doesn't mean Siakim is going to continue to grow by such large amounts each season. Tatum's body is still yet to fill out. Once he fills out I have no doubt in my mind he will be a tough cover. He has the skills and size to finish at the basket, once you add some weight and muscle he'll able to get to the rim much easier. This non-sense about him not being athletic at all is truly odd to me. He isn't a jump out of the gym sort of player but he can get up just fine and he certainly doesn't move that slow. He seems scared of going to the basket all the time because of his frame.

If you could trade for either next year to be your teams #2, who would you take. For me, all day Pascal, youth and potential is a big fallacy becaue one of the things your assuming is the rest of league/playera remain constant and tatum/youth are the only ones getting better. Take the proven better player

[dakomish23]

Depends on need. If I have an established #1, give me Pascal. Starting from scratch, I’d take Tatum.

[BodieB]

This thread went a whole 2 series without getting bumped and for good reason. Don't try to start that now lol.

[Lalouie]

because Tatum went to Duke

[Lockdown]

Siakam played as a first option in a Play off team that almost arrived to the finals?
Nope

Heh.

[DaTruth34]

Siakam played as a first option in a Play off team that almost arrived to the finals?
Nope

Heh.

First option? Siakam is 25, Tatum 21

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[arkuo]

If you think Tatum is talked about now, imagine if he was white. In Boston. Playing in the garden. Yup. He could actually run for president.

Race-baiting the Celtics again. -Dome