Nothin but Nets

[dorkestra]

I shouldn't but I can't help myself. I would have argued the topic at hand if you didn't make it so blatantly personal. Since you care so much about public opinion, let's recall when you completely embarrassed yourself not long ago...

Seeing as you have the attitude of a teenager I call bull or your parents got it for you. Either way I own mine paid free and clear and it’s a 35,000 dollar 2017 super crew F150.

Also I drive around 3 kids which is why I said it feels safer then a tiny car.

I'm an M&A investment banker and clear 35k every two weeks. Get on my level. Congrats on raising your kids in some Rust Belt abandoned city driving them around in some rinky dink pickup. Ooh, big pickup driver. Your jealousy is showing bud. Curry don't care about you and what you drive. No one does.

User warned

It's a fun thread for those who care to read: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1770560&hilit=car&start=40

Now I'm going to holster my gun and get back to some real basketball analysis.

Hard to believe that isnt a parody post...

This is getting pretty hilarious

[dorkestra]

You have more patience than me to even respond to this nonsense

Multiple posts in a row that were absolute garbage. I would have ignored or humiliated him in dramatic fashion, but your calm dismissal is admirable.

Thanks but you give me too much credit, as I was just about to hit send on the following post:

I spoke too soon. That was dramatic fashion.

[ITYSL]

I shouldn't but I can't help myself. I would have argued the topic at hand if you didn't make it so blatantly personal. Since you care so much about public opinion, let's recall when you completely embarrassed yourself not long ago...

Seeing as you have the attitude of a teenager I call bull or your parents got it for you. Either way I own mine paid free and clear and it’s a 35,000 dollar 2017 super crew F150.

Also I drive around 3 kids which is why I said it feels safer then a tiny car.

I'm an M&A investment banker and clear 35k every two weeks. Get on my level. Congrats on raising your kids in some Rust Belt abandoned city driving them around in some rinky dink pickup. Ooh, big pickup driver. Your jealousy is showing bud. Curry don't care about you and what you drive. No one does.

User warned

It's a fun thread for those who care to read: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1770560&hilit=car&start=40

Now I'm going to holster my gun and get back to some real basketball analysis.

That's your reply to me showing how your on/off "analysis" threads get trashed on the reg? Digging up a few of my troll posts in a thread from months ago? Yeah, thank you for the reminder, those were pretty funny. Got the GB riled up pretty quickly and easily.

Good luck with your garbage on/off threads now and in the future. Lol.

[ITYSL]

You have more patience than me to even respond to this nonsense

Multiple posts in a row that were absolute garbage. I would have ignored or humiliated him in dramatic fashion, but your calm dismissal is admirable.

Thanks but you give me too much credit, as I was just about to hit send on the following post:

I spoke too soon. That was dramatic fashion.

dorkestra coming into this thread like


Please scoop up the OP and whisk him away to a castle in a far land where there's no internet access. Thx

[MrDollarBills]

The only reason I replied is to tease you for your enslavement to on/off numbers. Your OP gave on/off numbers without any context. When Nets fans tried to present context to you, you objected. So now, when I jokingly present on/off numbers for Sixers' players to you without context, you protest and present context. You don't realize the double standard, but that's OK. Pretty much everyone else in this thread does. Cheers.

this. it was clear from the first post that even if this wasnt a complete troll-job of a thread that the OP was completely ignorant to last years nets team, who the heavy lifters were, who contributed, and who was 3rd string garbage time bench fodder. All attempts ot enlighten were met with ridicule.

Yep. agreed 100%.

[GeorgeMarcus]

I shouldn't but I can't help myself. I would have argued the topic at hand if you didn't make it so blatantly personal. Since you care so much about public opinion, let's recall when you completely embarrassed yourself not long ago...

I'm an M&A investment banker and clear 35k every two weeks. Get on my level. Congrats on raising your kids in some Rust Belt abandoned city driving them around in some rinky dink pickup. Ooh, big pickup driver. Your jealousy is showing bud. Curry don't care about you and what you drive. No one does.

User warned

It's a fun thread for those who care to read: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1770560&hilit=car&start=40

Now I'm going to holster my gun and get back to some real basketball analysis.

That's your reply to me showing how your on/off "analysis" threads get trashed on the reg? Digging up a few of my troll posts in a thread from months ago? Yeah, thank you for the reminder, those were pretty funny. Got the GB riled up pretty quickly and easily.

Good luck with your garbage on/off threads now and in the future. Lol.

Game set match

[freethedevil]

We all know that plus/minus is an unreliable stat with a ton of confounding factors.

This aged well.

[freethedevil]

You don't see the difference? Joel Embiid is the difference. He is the transcendent variable that influences the rest of the data. Ben/Tobias were staggered against his minutes, so those numbers are to be expected. This is how on/off is meant to be interpreted.

The Nets are a different story, unless you believe Ed Davis is the transcendent variable (which would still support my argument in the OP). The "starters weighted against bench players" is the only argument that holds water, but it still tells us that the Nets starting lineup was below average because they have negative on/offs on a team with a -0.1 net differential.

There's so much on/off can show us if we let it

Oh, I am well aware that Embiid was the biggest difference. And yet Butler's minutes with Embiid were more staggered than Simmons' were, so try again.

I'm hopeful cop will learn there are ways to adjust for this someday.

[GeorgeMarcus]

You don't see the difference? Joel Embiid is the difference. He is the transcendent variable that influences the rest of the data. Ben/Tobias were staggered against his minutes, so those numbers are to be expected. This is how on/off is meant to be interpreted.

The Nets are a different story, unless you believe Ed Davis is the transcendent variable (which would still support my argument in the OP). The "starters weighted against bench players" is the only argument that holds water, but it still tells us that the Nets starting lineup was below average because they have negative on/offs on a team with a -0.1 net differential.

There's so much on/off can show us if we let it

Oh, I am well aware that Embiid was the biggest difference. And yet Butler's minutes with Embiid were more staggered than Simmons' were, so try again.

I'm hopeful cop will learn there are ways to adjust for this someday.

CoP doesn't like me very much To be fair the feelings were mutual for a while, but I've turned a corner on that. Life is too short to dislike posters on basketball forums.

[ITYSL]

Oh, I am well aware that Embiid was the biggest difference. And yet Butler's minutes with Embiid were more staggered than Simmons' were, so try again.

I'm hopeful cop will learn there are ways to adjust for this someday.

CoP doesn't like me very much To be fair the feelings were mutual for a while, but I've turned a corner on that. Life is too short to dislike posters on basketball forums.

My whole point in this thread was that you posted on/off numbers without context for the Nets, but then got defensive when I did the same for the Sixers. That's all. Also, you are right that I don't like you very much. This may have something to do with it, from viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1880286&p=78050505 :

You're missing the context of CoP being a giant douche, which is not a term I use lightly.

You exhibit symptoms of an unfortunate psychological complex, but I'll keep my assessment to myself.

I didn't report those posts, but IDK, maybe I should have. It certainly seems like you didn't hesitate to report posts of mine in this thread. I'll leave it at that, as you're a mod now and I don't want to get warned for highlighting your personal attacks.

I have really tried to avoid you for the most part because I didn't want to get into another pissing match. I'm enjoying watching the Celtics thus far this season and I'm sure you're doing the same with the Sixers, who look fantastic. But oh well. You just couldn't help but bring it up, and I am unsurprised.

[GeorgeMarcus]

I'm hopeful cop will learn there are ways to adjust for this someday.

CoP doesn't like me very much To be fair the feelings were mutual for a while, but I've turned a corner on that. Life is too short to dislike posters on basketball forums.

My whole point in this thread was that you posted on/off numbers without context for the Nets, but then got defensive when I did the same for the Sixers. That's all. Also, you are right that I don't like you very much. This may have something to do with it, from viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1880286&p=78050505 :

You're missing the context of CoP being a giant douche, which is not a term I use lightly.

You exhibit symptoms of an unfortunate psychological complex, but I'll keep my assessment to myself.

I didn't report those posts, but IDK, maybe I should have. It certainly seems like you didn't hesitate to report posts of mine in this thread. I'll leave it at that, as you're a mod now and I don't want to get warned for highlighting your personal attacks.

I have really tried to avoid you for the most part because I didn't want to get into another pissing match. I'm enjoying watching the Celtics thus far this season and I'm sure you're doing the same with the Sixers, who look fantastic. But oh well. You just couldn't help but bring it up, and I am unsurprised.

I've never reported any of your posts, or any post in general. I'm also not the one who "brought up" anything here, I just responded to freethedevil in a way that was intended to diffuse the tension. But I'll leave it at that.

[dorkestra]

I'm hopeful cop will learn there are ways to adjust for this someday.

CoP doesn't like me very much To be fair the feelings were mutual for a while, but I've turned a corner on that. Life is too short to dislike posters on basketball forums.

My whole point in this thread was that you posted on/off numbers without context for the Nets, but then got defensive when I did the same for the Sixers. That's all. Also, you are right that I don't like you very much. This may have something to do with it, from viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1880286&p=78050505 :

You're missing the context of CoP being a giant douche, which is not a term I use lightly.

You exhibit symptoms of an unfortunate psychological complex, but I'll keep my assessment to myself.

I didn't report those posts, but IDK, maybe I should have. It certainly seems like you didn't hesitate to report posts of mine in this thread. I'll leave it at that, as you're a mod now and I don't want to get warned for highlighting your personal attacks.

I have really tried to avoid you for the most part because I didn't want to get into another pissing match. I'm enjoying watching the Celtics thus far this season and I'm sure you're doing the same with the Sixers, who look fantastic. But oh well. You just couldn't help but bring it up, and I am unsurprised.

He didn't even bring it up. How embarrassing for you.

[Dupp]

Op did well here. Show off pretend banker, not so much.

[gigantes]

CoP doesn't like me very much :( To be fair the feelings were mutual for a while, but I've turned a corner on that. Life is too short to dislike posters on basketball forums.

My whole point in this thread was that you posted on/off numbers without context for the Nets, but then got defensive when I did the same for the Sixers. That's all. Also, you are right that I don't like you very much. This may have something to do with it, from viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1880286&p=78050505 :

You're missing the context of CoP being a giant douche, which is not a term I use lightly.

You exhibit symptoms of an unfortunate psychological complex, but I'll keep my assessment to myself.

I didn't report those posts, but IDK, maybe I should have. It certainly seems like you didn't hesitate to report posts of mine in this thread. I'll leave it at that, as you're a mod now and I don't want to get warned for highlighting your personal attacks.

I have really tried to avoid you for the most part because I didn't want to get into another pissing match. I'm enjoying watching the Celtics thus far this season and I'm sure you're doing the same with the Sixers, who look fantastic. But oh well. You just couldn't help but bring it up, and I am unsurprised.

He didn't even bring it up. How embarrassing for you.

OTOH, gotta admit those are some pretty harsh statements by GeorgeMarcus.

I mean, sh-t comments are something we all need to brush aside in life, but those weren't sh-t comments IMO. Those were some pretty personal attacks right there. Like, I don't have a problem with calling out specific behaviors or such, but to just broadly characterize someone as a "giant douche" or mentally ill is not something anyone would or should take kindly to.

IMO that's just some lazy and mean-spirited sh-t right there. And there are far better ways to handle that stuff, like the "report" button or simply avoiding "ad hom" statements. Yeah sure, it's only an online sports forum, but it's also one where the same people wind up rubbing elbows through the years. That deserves to me some extra consideration, which is why I think it's in all our best interests to either ignore people we don't care for, or try to get along at a simple common-courtesy level.

I realise I'm also borderline lecturing here regarding people I barely know, and that's a bit cringey, too. Any of you can certainly tell me to f-ck off, and I'd probably deserve it. :P

[ITYSL]

CoP doesn't like me very much To be fair the feelings were mutual for a while, but I've turned a corner on that. Life is too short to dislike posters on basketball forums.

My whole point in this thread was that you posted on/off numbers without context for the Nets, but then got defensive when I did the same for the Sixers. That's all. Also, you are right that I don't like you very much. This may have something to do with it, from viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1880286&p=78050505 :

You're missing the context of CoP being a giant douche, which is not a term I use lightly.

You exhibit symptoms of an unfortunate psychological complex, but I'll keep my assessment to myself.

I didn't report those posts, but IDK, maybe I should have. It certainly seems like you didn't hesitate to report posts of mine in this thread. I'll leave it at that, as you're a mod now and I don't want to get warned for highlighting your personal attacks.

I have really tried to avoid you for the most part because I didn't want to get into another pissing match. I'm enjoying watching the Celtics thus far this season and I'm sure you're doing the same with the Sixers, who look fantastic. But oh well. You just couldn't help but bring it up, and I am unsurprised.

I've never reported any of your posts, or any post in general. I'm also not the one who "brought up" anything here, I just responded to freethedevil in a way that was intended to diffuse the tension. But I'll leave it at that.

FTD's comment was about basketball statistics, and you immediately brought up that I don't like you (ie. you took it personal). I simply explained why that was the case. And I will leave it at that.

I apologize for accusing you of reporting me in this thread, in which I was warned by a mod. I wrongly assumed it was you because we were going back and forth. Maybe it was dorkestra, as he has a history of making complaints with the admins and seems to like following me around in every thread where you and I argue. But in truth IDK who actually did it.

[GeorgeMarcus]

My whole point in this thread was that you posted on/off numbers without context for the Nets, but then got defensive when I did the same for the Sixers. That's all. Also, you are right that I don't like you very much. This may have something to do with it, from viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1880286&p=78050505 :




I didn't report those posts, but IDK, maybe I should have. It certainly seems like you didn't hesitate to report posts of mine in this thread. I'll leave it at that, as you're a mod now and I don't want to get warned for highlighting your personal attacks.

I have really tried to avoid you for the most part because I didn't want to get into another pissing match. I'm enjoying watching the Celtics thus far this season and I'm sure you're doing the same with the Sixers, who look fantastic. But oh well. You just couldn't help but bring it up, and I am unsurprised.

He didn't even bring it up. How embarrassing for you.

OTOH, gotta admit those are some pretty harsh statements by GeorgeMarcus.

I mean, sh-t comments are something we all need to brush aside in life, but those weren't sh-t comments IMO. Those were some pretty personal attacks right there. Like, I don't have a problem with calling out specific behaviors or such, but to just broadly characterize someone as a "giant douche" or mentally ill is not something anyone would or should take kindly to.

IMO that's just some lazy and mean-spirited sh-t right there. And there are far better ways to handle that stuff, like the "report" button or simply avoiding "ad hom" statements. Yeah sure, it's only an online sports forum, but it's also one where the same people wind up rubbing elbows through the years. That deserves to me some extra consideration, which is why I think it's in all our best interests to either ignore people we don't care for, or try to get along at a simple common-courtesy level.

I realise I'm also borderline lecturing here regarding people I barely know, and that's a bit cringey, too. Any of you can certainly tell me to f-ck off, and I'd probably deserve it.

I would say your assessment is accurate and I should never have posted that to begin with. You're missing quite a bit of context, but that's beside the point. No context or provocation justifies what I said, and I'll hold myself to a higher standard now that I'm a mod.

FWIW in all my time on RealGM, there's no other instance of me attacking a poster like that. That's not what I'm about.

[RB34]

This thread juicy.

[gigantes]

I would say your assessment is accurate and I should never have posted that to begin with. You're missing quite a bit of context, but that's beside the point. No context or provocation justifies what I said, and I'll hold myself to a higher standard now that I'm a mod.

FWIW in all my time on RealGM, there's no other instance of me attacking a poster like that. That's not what I'm about.

That's some nice ownership, sir. :)

Also, thank you kindly for the work you and others do in moderation. I used to volunteer at several other webforums in the distant past, and it can certainly be some real draining and thankless work at times. Sports forums included. :P

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Btw, when this kerfuffle is finally behind us, I want to talk about the ACTUAL reason I clicked on this thread-- i.e. my Brooklyn Nets!

For example, I notice a lot of people around here slagging on Kyrie Irving lately, but for the most part they couldn't be more wrong.

In reality, what with all the new faces on the team, we've been kind of a hot mess these days, making tonnes of careless turnovers and boneheaded mistakes on D. Kyrie has in fact been our rock in the storm, not just in scoring, but in passing and leadership, as well.

Now I do think there's a fair share of reasons to critique Kyrie, particularly in terms of the past, but I also think anyone who's indulging in that shizzle these days has simply not been watching the actual games!

[GeorgeMarcus]

Btw, when this kerfuffle is finally behind us, I want to talk about the ACTUAL reason I clicked on this thread-- i.e. my Brooklyn Nets!

For example, I notice a lot of people around here slagging on Kyrie Irving lately, but for the most part they couldn't be more wrong.

In reality, what with all the new faces on the team, we've been kind of a hot mess these days, making tonnes of careless turnovers and boneheaded mistakes on D. Kyrie has in fact been our rock in the storm, not just in scoring, but in passing and leadership, as well.

Now I do think there's a fair share of reasons to critique Kyrie, particularly in terms of the past, but I also think anyone who's indulging in that shizzle these days has simply not been watching the actual games!

I'm somewhat of a Kyrie critic but I don't think he's been the problem this year. I do think the losses of guys like Ed Davis, DeMarre Carroll, and Jared Duley went under the radar a bit.

What I will say about Kyrie is that he's better suited to be a SG offensively (which is why the offense clicks better with him an Dinwiddie on the court) but then the problems come defensively. In an ideal world he would be paired with a PG who is comfortable guarding wings.

[gigantes]

I'm somewhat of a Kyrie critic but I don't think he's been the problem this year. I do think the losses of guys like Ed Davis, DeMarre Carroll, and Jared Duley went under the radar a bit.

Yeap, Davis in particular. And the loss of RHJ probably hurt, as well. He was pretty much the Nets best stopper, the last few seasons. Temple looks like he's stepping up, altho he can't take on big men the way RHJ was routinely able to do.

That said, there's a lot of new faces to integrate, and it does make sense the second unit would be struggling like this; at least for a while.

What I will say about Kyrie is that he's better suited to be a SG offensively (which is why the offense clicks better with him an Dinwiddie on the court) but then the problems come defensively. In an ideal world he would be paired with a PG who is comfortable guarding wings.

Dunno about that... Spencer's been playing incredibly below his standards so far. Throwing dreadful passes and forcing the ball too much. So far Kyrie seems to pair better with LeVert.

Kyrie is definitely a scoring-style PG, and a monster at isos, but so far I really can't complain about his passing. It's been on-point so far. It also would be one thing if his scoring efficiency was only mediocre, but so far, he's been incredible. Every decision he makes seems to be the right one.

If Allen Iverson had this kind of efficiency with the Sixers way back when, I probably never would have become a Nets fan, almost 20 years ago. :P