Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[mcmurphy]

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I have been wondering what our all-cause mortality rate has been compared to other years. Interesting if true...

Could be as simple as removing the vast majority of vehicle deaths in the past 2 weeks since the country's been shut down. I'd wager even homicides are down right now

Exactly. We kill each other at a much higher rate than this virus is killing us. Separate all of us and our death rate plummets, apparently.

Crimes in March decreased by 75% in Italy.

[Dominator83]

Could be as simple as removing the vast majority of vehicle deaths in the past 2 weeks since the country's been shut down. I'd wager even homicides are down right now

Exactly. We kill each other at a much higher rate than this virus is killing us. Separate all of us and our death rate plummets, apparently.

Crimes in March decreased by 75% in Italy.

By the time this is over, we're gonna be seeing a lot more suicides too. People losing their jobs, losing their businesses, their livelihoods, their homes, etc.

This whole shutdown thing is a double edged sword

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We don't know for sure if chloroquine, hydrochloroquine or any medications are proven yet. So it seems right now the best way to treat the coronavirus patients that tested positive is get blood from someone that has recovered from the coronavirus. I have always hated getting needles so even if I had the coronavirus, I don't think I want a needle again.

Fda just issued an emergency authorization for those 2 and France sanctioned it

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/france-sanctions-chloroquine-after-78-of-80-patients-completely-recover-from-covid-19-within-five-days/

https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download

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Exactly. We kill each other at a much higher rate than this virus is killing us. Separate all of us and our death rate plummets, apparently.

Crimes in March decreased by 75% in Italy.

By the time this is over, we're gonna be seeing a lot more suicides too. People losing their jobs, losing their businesses, their livelihoods, their homes, etc.

This whole shutdown thing is a double edged sword

Yeah, it could become bad for a lot of people especially as those previously fleeting (for most) existential night time thoughts aren’t so fleeting anymore and people really being questioning what their lives were about. I’m especially thinking about that 40 to 60 year old bracket.

On that note, I know how many people think of sports as inconsequential but they really do give people things to look forward to, to see unfold, distract him from those existential thoughts.

[basketballRob]

Seems like number of daily death in the US has decreased dramatically from 525 to 264 according to worldometers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Strange given that number of cases remained relatively same (19452 vs 18469). Any idea what is happening here? Just statistical noise?

You will have days where it dips because more people hung on that day. Probably will rise bigger tomorrow. Also, I think many are slow to be recorded and better to check in the middle of the day tomorrow.

Not sure what's going on in Florida, but i know they didn't release numbers until late yesterday. Even though they had in increase in cases the fatality numbers went down the last two days.

It's possible that since it was the weekend that they didn't report everything.

They should have an independent body overseeing all this.

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[basketballRob]

Our continued lack of good data is a huge problem

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This is true. In addition, even the death rate from Italy has some other difficulties because they are including people who died and had been confirmed to be infected by covid19 even if they were already sick and their death was not directly caused by the virus.

I wouldn't doubt that they're trying to keep the death rates down in certain areas, to make it appear they're doing a better job.

When the hospitals fill up they won't be able to hide that.

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[Gooner]

In Belarus they don't care about coronavirus at all.

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I wonder how many of these young adults are smokers. Use of respiratory depressants are also a risk factor.

[AdagioPace]

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This is true. In addition, even the death rate from Italy has some other difficulties because they are including people who died and had been confirmed to be infected by covid19 even if they were already sick and their death was not directly caused by the virus.

I wouldn't doubt that they're trying to keep the death rates down in certain areas, to make it appear they're doing a better job.

When the hospitals fill up they won't be able to hide that.

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1)hospitals in Lombardy have been at full capacity for weeks. As a consequence ICU beds have almost been doubled in the last month.
2)I sense a bit of "holier than thou" from you......
3) In addition to you being misinformed, you're a full-time troll if you think Italy is "hiding" deaths like China when Italy has been the most transparent country in the world in terms of both associating death with covid and also post-mortem tests

[paxson_4_3]

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We don't know for sure if chloroquine, hydrochloroquine or any medications are proven yet. So it seems right now the best way to treat the coronavirus patients that tested positive is get blood from someone that has recovered from the coronavirus. I have always hated getting needles so even if I had the coronavirus, I don't think I want a needle again.

Fda just issued an emergency authorization for those 2 and France sanctioned it

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/france-sanctions-chloroquine-after-78-of-80-patients-completely-recover-from-covid-19-within-five-days/

https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download

Excuse my french but this is the same (if you like please enter a more suitable word than bull***t) as his previous "study" on this topic!

You wonder why? Please follow this link:

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/29/more-on-cloroquine-azithromycin-and-on-dr-raoult

[AdagioPace]

We don't know for sure if chloroquine, hydrochloroquine or any medications are proven yet. So it seems right now the best way to treat the coronavirus patients that tested positive is get blood from someone that has recovered from the coronavirus. I have always hated getting needles so even if I had the coronavirus, I don't think I want a needle again.

Fda just issued an emergency authorization for those 2 and France sanctioned it

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/france-sanctions-chloroquine-after-78-of-80-patients-completely-recover-from-covid-19-within-five-days/

https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download

Excuse my french but this is the same (if you like please enter a more suitable word than bull***t) as his previous "study" on this topic!

You wonder why? Please follow this link:

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/29/more-on-cloroquine-azithromycin-and-on-dr-raoult

Dr.Raoult is an "interesting" character from a scientific and ethical standpoint...he's the french Gregory House basically but without the genius ! It would be fun if he led the scientific world in the clinical battle against the virus despite the faultiness and rawness of his methods (of course with as few casualties as possible)

[paxson_4_3]

Fda just issued an emergency authorization for those 2 and France sanctioned it

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/france-sanctions-chloroquine-after-78-of-80-patients-completely-recover-from-covid-19-within-five-days/

https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download

Excuse my french but this is the same (if you like please enter a more suitable word than bull***t) as his previous "study" on this topic!

You wonder why? Please follow this link:

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/29/more-on-cloroquine-azithromycin-and-on-dr-raoult

Dr.Raoult is an "interesting" character from a scientific and ethical standpoint...he's the french Gregory House basically but without the genius ! It would be fun if he led the scientific world in the clinical battle against the virus despite the faultiness and rawness of his methods (of course with as few casualties as possible)

Just trying to imagine a more horrible physician like Dr. House (whom I adore) WITHOUT the genius

[Ayt]

We don't know for sure if chloroquine, hydrochloroquine or any medications are proven yet. So it seems right now the best way to treat the coronavirus patients that tested positive is get blood from someone that has recovered from the coronavirus. I have always hated getting needles so even if I had the coronavirus, I don't think I want a needle again.

Fda just issued an emergency authorization for those 2 and France sanctioned it

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/france-sanctions-chloroquine-after-78-of-80-patients-completely-recover-from-covid-19-within-five-days/

https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download

Excuse my french but this is the same (if you like please enter a more suitable word than bull***t) as his previous "study" on this topic!

You wonder why? Please follow this link:

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/29/more-on-cloroquine-azithromycin-and-on-dr-raoult

People desperately want this to be a miracle drug situation. Hopefully, the drugs do actually work even to a small degree.

[paxson_4_3]

Fda just issued an emergency authorization for those 2 and France sanctioned it

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/france-sanctions-chloroquine-after-78-of-80-patients-completely-recover-from-covid-19-within-five-days/

https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download

Excuse my french but this is the same (if you like please enter a more suitable word than bull***t) as his previous "study" on this topic!

You wonder why? Please follow this link:

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/29/more-on-cloroquine-azithromycin-and-on-dr-raoult

People desperately want this to be a miracle drug situation. Hopefully, the drugs do actually work even to a small degree.

And I do understand this. Luckily there are more options being tested in this moment. And this includes Chloroquin as well but of course in a study design that is adequate. Maybe it can help for certain patients that fit specific criteria. I hope so. People all over the world are working their ass of to collect reliable data.

But those two studies in france so far have done nothing but spreading false hope.

[bravor]

France (science academy and politician leaders) has been following OMS recommandations for the most part, and we have (from Ministery source) 5 therapy protocol which are being tested, among them one concerns Sanofi with Regenaron for the US with results expected at the end of the week.
As for Raoult, once the crisis is gone, i hope he will have to deal with french authorities because of his behavior (and the consequences of it).

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[og15]

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This is true. In addition, even the death rate from Italy has some other difficulties because they are including people who died and had been confirmed to be infected by covid19 even if they were already sick and their death was not directly caused by the virus.

this thing of pathologies to indicate the cause of Covit-19 deaths seems to me a bit of a syllogism... if you are on a precipice protected by a railing and one gives you a push and makes you fall, the cause is the push ... if you you are on a precipice without a railing and one gives you a little push and you fall, what is the cause of your death? It seems obvious to me

those who are hiding something are other countries...

I'm not suggesting that Italy is trying to hide anything, they aren't China (no offense but it is something China would do). What I'm referring to is the difficulty of getting "accurate" numbers right now. Italy said that they have not been separating deaths that were due to COVID19 from deaths that happened to people who were already ill and died due to a combination of illnesses. It's not even necessarily that COVID-19 was what pushed them over the edge, they were dying and acquired COVID-19, so due to the current situation they are just adding those as COVID-19 deaths, though there are those who would have died in a similar timeline whether they got COVID-19 or not. It's not anything malicious.

[LKN]

This is true. In addition, even the death rate from Italy has some other difficulties because they are including people who died and had been confirmed to be infected by covid19 even if they were already sick and their death was not directly caused by the virus.

this thing of pathologies to indicate the cause of Covit-19 deaths seems to me a bit of a syllogism... if you are on a precipice protected by a railing and one gives you a push and makes you fall, the cause is the push ... if you you are on a precipice without a railing and one gives you a little push and you fall, what is the cause of your death? It seems obvious to me

those who are hiding something are other countries...

I'm not suggesting that Italy is trying to hide anything, they aren't China (no offense but it is something China would do). What I'm referring to is the difficulty of getting "accurate" numbers right now. Italy said that they have not been separating deaths that were due to COVID19 from deaths that happened to people who were already ill and died due to a combination of illnesses. It's not even necessarily that COVID-19 was what pushed them over the edge, they were dying and acquired COVID-19, so due to the current situation they are just adding those as COVID-19 deaths, it's not anything malicious.

They probably should be doing that in most cases though. What's happening is that COVID-19 is killing people with conditions like diabetes, obesity, COPD, etc. These people are dying because they got COVID-19, even though they have the other conditions (the other conditions just make the mortality rate higher).

It's not like we are mostly talking about people on "death's door" that are getting pushed over (I'm sure there's a few of those people of course).