Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available

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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#261 » by The_Hater » Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:57 pm

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danvato wrote:i didn't follow this discussion but just want to say that its pretty ridiculous that these NBA teams throw around massive $100m contracts at players and then less than 2 years into it are looking to get out of it. I really wish there were some rules to clean this stuff up.


Whixh part needs to be cleaned up and what rules would you impose?

The money is guaranteed so the player isn’t exactly complaining. They win the lottery every month for years. And the team does have the right to trade that player, trades have been part of sports wince sports existed. At that point a different team will,be paying them their monthly lottery winnings. Heck, there was no trade market for Blake Griffin so the Pistons are going to pay him about $65 million to play basketball for a better team. That seems pretty rough for Blake....


I don't have any ideas on how to improve it but it's a problem. Teams overpay, then have to overpay again to get rid of a player, if that doesn't work they have to buy out a player causing playing through a contract is unheard of these days and you end up with already stacked teams picking up more players for peanuts.


I don’t see it see it has a huge problem. Both teams and players take on risk when entering into a contract. The rules pertaining to these contracts were agreed upon by both the owners and the players in the CBA. Any buyout that happens during that duration of that contract is also agreed upon by both the owners/teams and the players as is being able to trade the player and his contract.

When it comes to Aldridge, he signed with the Spurs as a free agent, played well and earned his money, and then the team offered him an extension before the first contract had even finished which extended into his age 35 season. If the Spurs couldn’t see that there was a pretty good chance that extension would come back to haunt them, then they need to do better research as an organization. There are good risks and bad risks.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#262 » by dirkforpres » Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:58 pm

matt6715 wrote:Mark Cuban was on a Mavs podcast this week and essentially said "no moves before the deadline unless they are no-brainer superstar type deals". Mavs won't move off KP for less than a home run return, and nobody in the league right now would give up that much to get KP. This is all smoke, no fire. No deal will happen before the TDL.


In all fairness though... What did you really expect him to say? You’d be completely tanking any trade value a player has if you actually publicly state they’re available and you’re wanting to move on
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#263 » by urgal » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:03 pm

BugginOut wrote:Porzingis' problem is not the knee injuries, its the fact that he is anemic and doesn't have the stamina to play a full 82 game season. That is why the more games he plays the more likely he is to get injured because he gets tired and starts making mistakes which causes his body to break down.

Sorry but that's just unproven pseudo-science.

Facts are he tore his ACL on a contact play when Giannis challenged him on that dunk and he tore his meniscus on a contact play, too.
That has nothing to do with him having anemia. Contact injuries can happen to anyone anytime.

Also Stoudamire might have been healthy these 2 years, but before that he missed a full season, and had 2 other seasons with only around 50 games. So it was even worse than with Porzingis, only that Stoudamires issues were chronic (didn't he have microfracture surgery?).

Not comparable at all like I said. Microfracture surgery is a guaranteed career killer for players mainly relying on athletecism and it showed why with Stoudamire afterwards. So the writing was indeed on the wall.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#264 » by Openheimer » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:44 pm

He is back to playing really well and Dallas is rolling. His value is pretty high again
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#265 » by tmorgan » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:59 pm

The Warriors would be crazy to give up Wiseman or the Minny pick for Porzingis right now. He needs to get healthy... you can’t roll the dice with a window closing in the next couple of years.

(stealth promoting the barebones of Grant for the Minny pick in the background :) j

Good to see he’s looking much better, though. Fun guy to watch.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#266 » by GregOden » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:09 pm

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Porzingis would probably do really well there with an actual good coach. Wonder what Mavs would want though. I’d assume Wiseman/Wiggins?


By actual good coach do you mean Draymond Green?
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#267 » by GregOden » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:10 pm

tmorgan wrote:The Warriors would be crazy to give up Wiseman or the Minny pick for Porzingis right now. He needs to get healthy... you can’t roll the dice with a window closing in the next couple of years.

(stealth promoting the barebones of Grant for the Minny pick in the background :) j

Good to see he’s looking much better, though. Fun guy to watch.


Yeah and the Warriors are tied for 2nd worst rebounding team in the league. It's not like Porzingis actually helps here. Hell they'd be better off trading for Drummond. :lol:
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#268 » by Jabroni Lames » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:08 am

What’s the bid/ask here anyway?
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#269 » by Apz » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:30 am

Jabroni Lames wrote:What’s the bid/ask here anyway?


Well, thats the question. But looking at it, he is getting back to last years play so around 20ish in league. But noone knows if there will be more injuries or not. Also, Cuban is a business man. He wont sell for less then he thinks its worth, which seems quite a lot.

I dont think he will be traded. Dont see many win now teams that lack a strech 5 and are willing to give up key pieces for him. And mavs isnt really a team that cares much about the draft so low picks doesnt mean much to make up value. If gsw want to throw wiseman and the minny pick and wiggins to match salary, there is a chance he does it. But not sure, he would need to clear it with Luka so it doesnt look like he selling a star player for what might be.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#270 » by reamily » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:28 am

Hes selling it to the warriors because of all the practical sense, and the desperartion of gsw to find the star big to match the remaining years of the splash brothers
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#271 » by Ballerhogger » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:35 am

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Jabroni Lames wrote:What’s the bid/ask here anyway?


Well, thats the question. But looking at it, he is getting back to last years play so around 20ish in league. But noone knows if there will be more injuries or not. Also, Cuban is a business man. He wont sell for less then he thinks its worth, which seems quite a lot.

I dont think he will be traded. Dont see many win now teams that lack a strech 5 and are willing to give up key pieces for him. And mavs isnt really a team that cares much about the draft so low picks doesnt mean much to make up value. If gsw want to throw wiseman and the minny pick and wiggins to match salary, there is a chance he does it. But not sure, he would need to clear it with Luka so it doesnt look like he selling a star player for what might be.

If he has good rest of the year it’s going be 2FRP I know that’s a lot but that’s how high mavs value him . And good player or two preferably a big who can score and shoot the 3.Vuviec comes to mind but I don’t think the magic want KP
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#272 » by Ballerhogger » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:35 am

reamily wrote:Hes selling it to the warriors because of all the practical sense, and the desperartion of gsw to find the star big to match the remaining years of the splash brothers

Why does he want be warrior?
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Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#273 » by Ballerhogger » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:37 am

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dirkforpres wrote:
DIO wrote:
Read on Twitter


Porzingis would probably do really well there with an actual good coach. Wonder what Mavs would want though. I’d assume Wiseman/Wiggins?


By actual good coach do you mean Draymond Green?

Wiggins , Wismean probably both .
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#274 » by NY 567 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:45 am

KP is a top 20 player when healthy. Mavs are in a tough spot. The Mavs are really hard to beat when KP is on, but he's injured so frequently.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#275 » by Apz » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:59 am

Ballerhogger wrote:
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Porzingis would probably do really well there with an actual good coach. Wonder what Mavs would want though. I’d assume Wiseman/Wiggins?


By actual good coach do you mean Draymond Green?

Wiggins , Wismean probably both .


Well, wiggins is just for salary and neutralizes wisemans value, so probably would be like that min pick too
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#276 » by Ballerhogger » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:06 am

NY 567 wrote:KP is a top 20 player when healthy. Mavs are in a tough spot. The Mavs are really hard to beat when KP is on, but he's injured so frequently.
hes not getting traded this year maybe in off season
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#277 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:14 am

Update-- Dallas is 9-1 in the last 10 games KP has played with the only loss 3 pts to Dame Time. Hurts that he missed 3 games with a back and then Dallas rested him and Luka in a b2b, but he's moving much better and isn't the worst defensive player in the league any longer.

Dallas has to still consider dealing him if it makes the team better, but there is no desperation atm.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#278 » by mademan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:21 am

Apz wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:
GregOden wrote:
By actual good coach do you mean Draymond Green?

Wiggins , Wismean probably both .


Well, wiggins is just for salary and neutralizes wisemans value, so probably would be like that min pick too


Probably oubre for salary then. 1 of Wiseman or the Minny pick, cant see GSW coming up off both
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#279 » by reamily » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:22 am

Ballerhogger wrote:
reamily wrote:Hes selling it to the warriors because of all the practical sense, and the desperartion of gsw to find the star big to match the remaining years of the splash brothers

Why does he want be warrior?

He will never get all star nod in dallas unless tey finish on top 4 in west, and will always be tagged as the no. 2 guy who is injury prone..i still believe the trade smoke of kp is coming from the kp's camp..
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Is Indeed Available 

Post#280 » by Pharmcat » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:26 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Update-- Dallas is 9-1 in the last 10 games KP has played with the only loss 3 pts to Dame Time. Hurts that he missed 3 games with a back and then Dallas rested him and Luka in a b2b, but he's moving much better and isn't the worst defensive player in the league any longer.

Dallas has to still consider dealing him if it makes the team better, but there is no desperation atm.


I wonder if KP needs to visit that germany doctor kobe saw for his knees . Maybe they can come up with a plan to keep him healthy. If healthy, this Mavs team can do things in the playoffs. But thats a big if
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