Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II)

[warriorschamps]

Steph has been exposed as the best player in the league. Not really exposed, those of who are smart already knew that.

[JN61]

Steph has been exposed as the best player in the league. Not really exposed, those of who are smart already knew that.

Still not very good player in the clutch as we saw. Turnovers; careless dribbling and careless passing. Story of his career in the playoffs.

[bovice]

Steph has been exposed as the best player in the league. Not really exposed, those of who are smart already knew that.

Still not very good player in the clutch as we saw. Turnovers; careless dribbling and careless passing. Story of his career in the playoffs.

58 seconds and he couldn't create separation against Caruso/AD. he relies too much on outside factors to score and in late game situations they're not always gonna be there. it's why KD/Kawhi/Kobe/etc... have games better suited for playoff success.

[clyde21]

Steph has been exposed as the best player in the league. Not really exposed, those of who are smart already knew that.

Still not very good player in the clutch as we saw. Turnovers; careless dribbling and careless passing. Story of his career in the playoffs.

58 seconds and he couldn't create separation against Caruso/AD. he relies too much on outside factors to score and in late game situations they're not always gonna be there. it's why KD/Kawhi/Kobe/etc... have games better suited for playoff success.

lmao L.

[lars_rosenberg]

He always has been since like 2015.

I am actually not sure on that one. KD is an amazing player.

And you know, you can't teach lenght. And that us working for KD

No, Steph definitely is better. KD is probably a better one on one or isolation player, but the facts are Curry got the squad he started with to a title, KD didn't do that, Harden didn't do that, CP3 didn't do that, etc.

And before people say "well he had stacked teams", no one at all was anointing Draymond or Klay as evidence of a stacked team in their early years, definitely not comparing to the squads these other players had. Steph just happens to help and allow his teammates to keep better in a way that a unselfish and legendary off-ball player can, and that a ball dominant player never could. Look at how he has taken the team he was gifted this year with players like Wiggins, JTA, Bazemore etc, and helped get them to a dangerous team by the end of the season. A lot of that of course is the coaching staff building the team around Curry's strengths, but it starts with him.

And beyond the on the court stuff, its his leadership style and humble personality, he never blamed his teammates, he didnt demand trades, he had the commitment and all-in dedication to stay and help build this team, and obviously didnt wear out his welcome like many demanding stars have.

So maybe if you need one player to be able to make his own shot at the end of game, maybe KD is that guy. But if you want a player that helps makes the team better to the point that it isn't always coming down to one desperation shot, Steph is that guy. And i think that's what confuses people that try to judge his legacy. Its hard to showcase a lot of hero ball when you dont play a lot of 4th quarters or one of your greatest impacts is drawing multiple defenders to leave a teammate with a wide open basket.

They put that stat up where the only 4 players to get multiple scoring titles, multiple mvps, and multiple championships are Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, and now Steph. Its funny how Steph keeps coincidentally achieving all these benchmarks, including the team ones, and yet many are still hesitant to call him an all time great. I think just as Steph has redefined the role of the 3pointer in the game, he has also redefined the way that people measure a great player, sometimes its not about hero ball and carrying a team on his back. Sometimes its helping the team get the point where it doesnt need someone to save them all the time.

Great post.

[Raps in 4]

He always has been since like 2015.

I am actually not sure on that one. KD is an amazing player.

And you know, you can't teach lenght. And that us working for KD

No, Steph definitely is better. KD is probably a better one on one or isolation player, but the facts are Curry got the squad he started with to a title, KD didn't do that, Harden didn't do that, CP3 didn't do that, etc.

And before people say "well he had stacked teams", no one at all was anointing Draymond or Klay as evidence of a stacked team in their early years, definitely not comparing to the squads these other players had. Steph just happens to help and allow his teammates to keep better in a way that a unselfish and legendary off-ball player can, and that a ball dominant player never could. Look at how he has taken the team he was gifted this year with players like Wiggins, JTA, Bazemore etc, and helped get them to a dangerous team by the end of the season. A lot of that of course is the coaching staff building the team around Curry's strengths, but it starts with him.

And beyond the on the court stuff, its his leadership style and humble personality, he never blamed his teammates, he didnt demand trades, he had the commitment and all-in dedication to stay and help build this team, and obviously didnt wear out his welcome like many demanding stars have.

So maybe if you need one player to be able to make his own shot at the end of game, maybe KD is that guy. But if you want a player that helps makes the team better to the point that it isn't always coming down to one desperation shot, Steph is that guy. And i think that's what confuses people that try to judge his legacy. Its hard to showcase a lot of hero ball when you dont play a lot of 4th quarters or one of your greatest impacts is drawing multiple defenders to leave a teammate with a wide open basket.

They put that stat up where the only 4 players to get multiple scoring titles, multiple mvps, and multiple championships are Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, and now Steph. Its funny how Steph keeps coincidentally achieving all these benchmarks, including the team ones, and yet many are still hesitant to call him an all time great. I think just as Steph has redefined the role of the 3pointer in the game, he has also redefined the way that people measure a great player, sometimes its not about hero ball and carrying a team on his back. Sometimes its helping the team get the point where it doesnt need someone to save them all the time.

The notion that Klay and Draymond ever constituted a "stacked" roster is silly. These were top-20 players. Stacked is having multiple MVP-level players on a roster (i.e. Lebron-Wade, Steph-KD, Lebron-AD, Harden-KD). A superstar with two elite role players is a balanced, well-built team, especially when you consider both of those players were specialists. Klay was a 3+D guy while Draymond was a defensive anchor (who provided almost no scoring impact).

The fact that they were as good as they were is a testament to Steph's historic impact. He's one of the greatest floor-raisers in NBA history.

[Pharmcat]

Why was the first thread locked?

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I think ive been humiliated enough

Spoiler:

its the 100 page limit rule

[Dupp]

Steph was probably the best player on the court the other day. Those bank shot floaters were insanely difficult and he made them look so easy.

He faced and absurd amount of bodies too. Lakers wanted the ball out of his hand at all costs. Cavs were just as worries about Steph in the 17 finals ad that’s what allowed kd to have the series he did. That’s what people don’t get, all the attention was on Steph.

Back to this game, his passing was very sloppy. He needs to get better there. Warriors probably win easy if he cleaned that up.

[Pharmcat]

Steph was probably the best player on the court the other day. Those bank shot floaters were insanely difficult and he made them look so easy.

He faced and absurd amount of bodies too. Lakers wanted the ball out of his hand at all costs. Cavs were just as worries about Steph in the 17 finals ad that’s what allowed kd to have the series he did. That’s what people don’t get, all the attention was on Steph.

Back to this game, his passing was very sloppy. He needs to get better there. Warriors probably win easy if he cleaned that up.

Curry passing has always been sloppy passing. It’s his happy go lucky attitude. In the finals against cavs he made careless pass too.

[dhsilv2]

Steph was probably the best player on the court the other day. Those bank shot floaters were insanely difficult and he made them look so easy.

He faced and absurd amount of bodies too. Lakers wanted the ball out of his hand at all costs. Cavs were just as worries about Steph in the 17 finals ad that’s what allowed kd to have the series he did. That’s what people don’t get, all the attention was on Steph.

Back to this game, his passing was very sloppy. He needs to get better there. Warriors probably win easy if he cleaned that up.

Curry passing has always been sloppy passing. It’s his happy go lucky attitude. In the finals against cavs he made careless pass too.

The greats are always people who make and take risky passes, it might be the biggest "flaw" with chris paul, he doesn't take risks. That said...Curry's slopping and risky at times. Both is bad.

[Karate Diop]

For as great as he was Curry failed both offensively and defensively when his team needed him the most. Those last few offensive possessions were hideous to watch... Really needed a Durant to close that one.

[Vladimir777]

Why was the first thread locked?

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I think ive been humiliated enough

Spoiler:

its the 100 page limit rule

You're a good sport, man. I thought Curry would suck this year, too. I still think he's a better RS player than playoffs player, but that's another story for another day.

[TwoStarz]

Steph was probably the best player on the court the other day. Those bank shot floaters were insanely difficult and he made them look so easy.

He faced and absurd amount of bodies too. Lakers wanted the ball out of his hand at all costs. Cavs were just as worries about Steph in the 17 finals ad that’s what allowed kd to have the series he did. That’s what people don’t get, all the attention was on Steph.

Back to this game, his passing was very sloppy. He needs to get better there. Warriors probably win easy if he cleaned that up.

Thats been my biggest issue with him since forever, the dude can be super loose with the ball. I really wish he would clean it up over the years but the issue is still there. He plays very loose as a player, what makes him so great is also what sometimes cripples him at the worst times. See behind the back pass in a G7 of a nba finals.

Granted I'm sure its not easy seeing 2-3 bodies on you with long arms all game long.

Also kudos to you, as a cavs/lebron fan you know first hand how dangerous the man is. Cavs always sold out to defend curry in the finals.

[Warriors Analyst]

I think the noise about Steph choking in big moments is pretty dumb. But I will say this, something that I think is an obvious problem about Steph is that he's such a good shooter that those hard double teams in crunch time become the most obvious and logical way to defend him and you can take the ball out of his hands. That problem becomes exacerbated when Steph's surrounding cast doesn't have greater shooters, like their closing lineup against the Lakers in the play-in game. The Lakers did everything perfectly in the final minute of the game and Steph couldn't get a clean look because the Lakers played great defense. It was a bit of a nightmare scenario for me as a Warriors fan. I think Steph is the best player in the game right now and I'd take him over any of the other stars in the league, but I do think that in the final 5 seconds of a game I might prefer Kawhi or KD if only because they're bigger and can get their shot off with greater ease and because teams won't sell out nearly as hard to double them.

[Goose egg]

I’d love any Steph truther to honestly tell me he’s not a product of the refs. Just watch this grizzlies game it’s unreal how much the warriors get favored by the refs every single game.

[NO-KG-AI]

I think the noise about Steph choking in big moments is pretty dumb. But I will say this, something that I think is an obvious problem about Steph is that he's such a good shooter that those hard double teams in crunch time become the most obvious and logical way to defend him and you can take the ball out of his hands. That problem becomes exacerbated when Steph's surrounding cast doesn't have greater shooters, like their closing lineup against the Lakers in the play-in game. The Lakers did everything perfectly in the final minute of the game and Steph couldn't get a clean look because the Lakers played great defense. It was a bit of a nightmare scenario for me as a Warriors fan. I think Steph is the best player in the game right now and I'd take him over any of the other stars in the league, but I do think that in the final 5 seconds of a game I might prefer Kawhi or KD if only because they're bigger and can get their shot off with greater ease and because teams won't sell out nearly as hard to double them.

Not trying to pile on or take shots here, but I think in comparison to someone like LeBron or MJ, it's harder to just send hard doubles/triples, because they are more decisive and quicker passers to open spots, and they both have physical tools that can allow them to split or break out of more of those traps and cause even more issues. Sometimes even the split second difference on a pass can allow the defense to turn a wide open 3 for a teammates into a slightly contested one. It's usually a bad move to try to trap LeBron, because he's probably going to get out of it anyway, and then you have a 5 on 3 or 4 with a full head of steam LeBron bearing down on the rim.

It's the main thing Giannis needs to improve in a big way IMO. For all the talk he gets as a oversized guard, he's extremely late on passes out of doubles and recognizing when and where to swing the ball in the best way to break the "wall" defense, it's not about becoming a deadeye shooter.

It's not nearly as bad with Curry, but he can be corralled a little better with those kinds of traps on the ball than some of his ATG peers. It's part of the beauty of why his off ball game is so valuable, because if his teammates weren't offensively inept, he could do even more damage away from the ball.

I'm still not sure I take Kawhi or Durant aside from very specific situations. I think Durant's legend has grown a lot BECAUSE of the fact that he got so many 1 v 1 situations and wide open looks in late situations because of Steph. A lot of people have forgotten how he struggled isolating in a lot of series against guys, and getting bodied up by way smaller guys like Tony Allen and even Chris Paul lol.

[rtiff68]

I’d love any Steph truther to honestly tell me he’s not a product of the refs. Just watch this grizzlies game it’s unreal how much the warriors get favored by the refs every single game.

The guy who has won the scoring title twice with the two fewest FTA per game (in the history of the award, dating back to the ‘40’s) is “a product of the refs.”

...but I’m sure that won’t convince you. You have your own personal, bias free eye test! How can anyone possibly trump that?

[Goose egg]

I’d love any Steph truther to honestly tell me he’s not a product of the refs. Just watch this grizzlies game it’s unreal how much the warriors get favored by the refs every single game.

The guy who has won the scoring title twice with the two fewest FTA per game (in the history of the award, dating back to the ‘40’s) is “a product of the refs.”

...but I’m sure that won’t convince you. You have your own personal, bias free eye test! How can anyone possibly trump that?

I’d rather trust the eye test and watching the games. It’s what always has given me success in gambling. Steph’s game doesn’t revolve around getting foul calls at all so no idea why you think it’s relevant. It’s draymond being allowed to flop and foul worse than any other guy in the league. It’s the refs always getting a quick 2 fouls against a matchup problem for warriors. It’s the little things that don’t show up in the box score.

My eyes ain’t lying.

[rtiff68]

I’d love any Steph truther to honestly tell me he’s not a product of the refs. Just watch this grizzlies game it’s unreal how much the warriors get favored by the refs every single game.

The guy who has won the scoring title twice with the two fewest FTA per game (in the history of the award, dating back to the ‘40’s) is “a product of the refs.”

...but I’m sure that won’t convince you. You have your own personal, bias free eye test! How can anyone possibly trump that?

I’d rather trust the eye test and watching the games. It’s what always has given me success in gambling. Steph’s game doesn’t revolve around getting foul calls at all so no idea why you think it’s relevant. It’s draymond being allowed to flop and foul worse than any other guy in the league. It’s the refs always getting a quick 2 fouls against a matchup problem for warriors. It’s the little things that don’t show up in the box score.

But since you probably don’t watch the games and just use stats go ahead and believe the warriors aren’t constantly being helped by the refs. My eyes ain’t lying.

Right. I don’t watch the games.

I worked for the Warriors for 4 years during the period when Steph was drafted. I’ve watched Steph Curry live in my life considerably more times than you’ve watched him on TV.

The “stat” I quoted rendered your point synonymous with your name: goose egg.

It would be like claiming James Harden “can’t draw contact,” and then having his numbers posted.

Your eyes are either lying or blind. I’ll let you pick. Facts don’t care about your eyes or your feelings.

[Goose egg]

The guy who has won the scoring title twice with the two fewest FTA per game (in the history of the award, dating back to the ‘40’s) is “a product of the refs.”

...but I’m sure that won’t convince you. You have your own personal, bias free eye test! How can anyone possibly trump that?

I’d rather trust the eye test and watching the games. It’s what always has given me success in gambling. Steph’s game doesn’t revolve around getting foul calls at all so no idea why you think it’s relevant. It’s draymond being allowed to flop and foul worse than any other guy in the league. It’s the refs always getting a quick 2 fouls against a matchup problem for warriors. It’s the little things that don’t show up in the box score.

But since you probably don’t watch the games and just use stats go ahead and believe the warriors aren’t constantly being helped by the refs. My eyes ain’t lying.

Right. I don’t watch the games.

I worked for the Warriors for 4 years during the period when Steph was drafted. I’ve watched Steph Curry live in my life considerably more times than you’ve watched him on TV.

The “stat” I quoted rendered your point synonymous with your name: goose egg.

It would be like claiming James Harden “can’t draw contact,” and then having his numbers posted.

Your eyes are either lying or blind. I’ll let you pick. Facts don’t care about your eyes or your feelings.

I want your honest answer: are the grizzlies being hosed by the refs or not right now vs the warriors?