(Thread has been bumped) SHAMS: Grizzlies Trading Valunciunas + Nos. 17 & 51 Picks to NOLA for Adams, Bledsoe, Draft Pix

[King4Day]

I still like it for the Pels. If the Griz were struggling, I believe most would feel the same way. But seems Adams does fit well in Memphis

[Clav]

NOLA had big ideas with this move because they seemingly got the best player out of the three and acquired DeVonte Graham in that big deal....

However with overall team success, the Grizz have undoubtedly improved, and a lot of that is due to peripheral pieces on their squad but Adams has been a good fit for them. No 17 was Ziaire Williams, who is starting and not looking too out of place.

And to Recap.... Bledsoe - who was later traded for three players (Rondo (waived), Beverly, and Oturu(waived)) eventually netted another rostered player for MEM - Jarrett Culver + a '26 future pick. - that was the Beverly Trade (Bev for Juancho Hernangomez(waived) and Culver).

I do think long-term JV will be the more productive player vs. Adams as their careers extend, but right now for the Grizz, they have what they need - JJJ actually fulfills the range component that JV brings while Adams brings the rebounding, pick setting, and post play (to a lesser degree for the latter, but he's serviceable).

Things look worse for NOLA due to Zion being injured and not available, because actually, that has some potential to work well - Zion can gobble up rebs and JV and ZW can put a lot of pressure on the post in different ways. We need Zion back to really compare - yet a year and a half out is a pretty significant time. Memphis did really well and has been very active to achieve the roster they think can succeed - it is doing just that.

[Hoop Heavy]

Tough to call.

I'm surprised 2/3 have voted for the Pels. In a vacuum, JV is better than Steve Adams. Is JV better than Adams with a Bledsoe kicker ... I don't know. Still, 10 and 40, and a 2022 protected FRP ... for 17 and 51 ... is a chunk of value.

No doubt the Raps were right about JV (would they have won without Gasol's neutralization of Embiid) and similarly by corollary about Adams. While both are beasts on the glass, good in the low post, and reasonable offensively (JV probably well north of just reasonable) neither offers the rim protection required to win a championship.

So, then ultimately they are more placeholders in the meantime. The draft capital bonus seems far more juicy than a slightly better placeholder ... and that's before we add in Bledsoe..

[Johnny Bball]

Grizzlies won this hands down.

[BostonCouchGM]

clearly MEM. Two likely lottery picks and #40, they can easily get out of Bledsoe's contract and Adams actually fits well with their roster. Put it this way, which one of these teams do you think is better next season? Hint, it's the same team that is also set up better for the future. The answer is MEM in case you aren't following. And it's not at all surprising that realgm is getting it wrong like they do after almost every trade

most of my takes are met with scorn but on here it's predictable. You have to follow up down the road to find out who actually knows what's what. I initially thought it was the NOP 2022 pick which is why I thought two future lottery picks but even so, it could still end up just outside of the lottery. But they easily got out of Bledsoe's contract. Adams DOES fit well with their roster and they ARE better than the Pelicans now and going forward

[Sakkreth]

Grizzlies won this hands down.

JV hater for life. What did he do to you?

[baldur]

I am the only one who thinks jonas valanciuans, steven adams and eric bledsoe are constantly traded for each other or together? hahahaha.

[ConSarnit]

Tough to call.

I'm surprised 2/3 have voted for the Pels. In a vacuum, JV is better than Steve Adams. Is JV better than Adams with a Bledsoe kicker ... I don't know. Still, 10 and 40, and a 2022 protected FRP ... for 17 and 51 ... is a chunk of value.

No doubt the Raps were right about JV (would they have won without Gasol's neutralization of Embiid) and similarly by corollary about Adams. While both are beasts on the glass, good in the low post, and reasonable offensively (JV probably well north of just reasonable) neither offers the rim protection required to win a championship.

So, then ultimately they are more placeholders in the meantime. The draft capital bonus seems far more juicy than a slightly better placeholder ... and that's before we add in Bledsoe..

I agree with a lot of this. Seems like any team with JV is a team that is still looking to upgrade their C position. Not that he’s a bad player but I don’t think he’s a needle mover. Adams and JV are probably lumped into the same pile so why give up assets for for a slight upgrade (Adams to JV).

[Johnny Bball]

Grizzlies won this hands down.

JV hater for life. What did he do to you?

https://www.espn.com/nba/standings

Facts

[VCfor3]

I think both teams won though NOP didn't do quite what they had hoped with their cap space. Still JV has been a monster for them and Graham is a solid player. Ziaire has looked great the last few games, but we still have a ways to go before declaring him a good pick (though I don't bet against our FO). The Lakers pick is still TBD. Adams has fit well, but Memphis being in 3rd in the West is because all our young guys took a leap and the Pelicans doing bad is because their franchise player has been out all year and their other young star has missed quite a few games. I think neither team would be in a better situation than they currently are if we could magically undo that trade. JV would likely help us more than Adams, but Ziaire has been important given the Brooks injury so feels like a wash overall.

[Hoop Heavy]

Tough to call.

I'm surprised 2/3 have voted for the Pels. In a vacuum, JV is better than Steve Adams. Is JV better than Adams with a Bledsoe kicker ... I don't know. Still, 10 and 40, and a 2022 protected FRP ... for 17 and 51 ... is a chunk of value.

No doubt the Raps were right about JV (would they have won without Gasol's neutralization of Embiid) and similarly by corollary about Adams. While both are beasts on the glass, good in the low post, and reasonable offensively (JV probably well north of just reasonable) neither offers the rim protection required to win a championship.

So, then ultimately they are more placeholders in the meantime. The draft capital bonus seems far more juicy than a slightly better placeholder ... and that's before we add in Bledsoe..

I agree with a lot of this. Seems like any team with JV is a team that is still looking to upgrade their C position. Not that he’s a bad player but I don’t think he’s a needle mover. Adams and JV are probably lumped into the same pile so why give up assets for for a slight upgrade (Adams to JV).

Somebody was having a wet dream about a super BIG lineup with JV and Williamson and Ingram ..how they would get every rebound ... then they woke up and they were in last place, and their superstar was about to divide and become two normal sized humans he was so big. At least JV is angular.

[Hoop Heavy]

Tough to call.

I'm surprised 2/3 have voted for the Pels. In a vacuum, JV is better than Steve Adams. Is JV better than Adams with a Bledsoe kicker ... I don't know. Still, 10 and 40, and a 2022 protected FRP ... for 17 and 51 ... is a chunk of value.

No doubt the Raps were right about JV (would they have won without Gasol's neutralization of Embiid) and similarly by corollary about Adams. While both are beasts on the glass, good in the low post, and reasonable offensively (JV probably well north of just reasonable) neither offers the rim protection required to win a championship.

So, then ultimately they are more placeholders in the meantime. The draft capital bonus seems far more juicy than a slightly better placeholder ... and that's before we add in Bledsoe..

I agree with a lot of this. Seems like any team with JV is a team that is still looking to upgrade their C position. Not that he’s a bad player but I don’t think he’s a needle mover. Adams and JV are probably lumped into the same pile so why give up assets for for a slight upgrade (Adams to JV).

Somebody was having a wet dream about a super BIG lineup with JV and Williamson and Ingram ... how they would get every rebound ... then they woke up and they were in last place, and their superstar was about to divide and become two normal sized humans he was so big. At least JV is angular.

[bobobolas10]

It was sad to see JV gone. However, i got to admit Adams is fitting so well. He is a worst player than JV, worst in the boxscores and all however, he makes the other players better. Thats what they wanted. In addition, we got better picks. I can't ask for more.


Poor JV, first he left the raptors and that made em champions, now he has left the grizzs and that will make them ...... (Complete the sentence)

[AussieCeltic]

Grizzlies won this hands down.

JV hater for life. What did he do to you?

https://www.espn.com/nba/standings

Facts

So the rest of the roster has nothing to do with it?

JV has actually been pretty good for the Pelicans who have a decent record with Ingram playing. Add Zion and they’re in the top 8 easily.

I think the move has worked out well for both teams

[Sofia]

God damn it, thread bumper

[NO-KG-AI]

Contrary to other people, I’m happy to see Adams healthy and playing well. He looked cooked on D last year, and he’s great guy so I felt bad.

JV has been outstanding for us too though, our struggles are hardly on him. I really like his steady shooting improvements too.

[zimpy27]

Adams is the best team impact rebounder in the sport, he adds so many possessions to his team in such an undervalued way.

[zimpy27]

I'm one of the few here that think Grizzlies won this trade.

- Adams is as good as Val except Val was in a good spot and Adams was in a bad one.
- Grizzlies effectively get 10 and LAL pick for taking on Bledsoe and giving 17.

I think in 6 months people are going to see that Griff goofed again.

Not 6 months in quite yet but I think people are starting to see.
If Val hadn't randomly become amazing at shooting the 3 then this trade would have looked poor for Pels. Griff lucked out on that for sure.

[Mrakar]

Adams is the best rebounder in the sport, he adds so many possessions to his team in such an undervalued way.

He is MVP of Westbrooks tripple-double MVP season. Guy averaged 7 rebounds because he was helping Westbrook to get easy ones...


As NOLA fan im satisfied with this trade. I expected more from Murphy but there is still time, and Valanciunas was great. Pels had awfull start but since Ingram came back they are actualy not that bad, and i see them fight every night which didn't happen since 2007-08 season #HerbJonesMVP.
We just lack talent in backcourt(since it was expected that Ingram and Zion will be primary ball handlers but Zion hasn't played yet and Ingram also missed quite a lot of games).
Pels are 15-13 since starting 1-13 and they are still without their best player...


Grizzlies are also great, Adams makes little plays that help them win and they don't need Val's scoring so it was ok for them also.

[zimpy27]

Adams is the best rebounder in the sport, he adds so many possessions to his team in such an undervalued way.

He is MVP of Westbrooks tripple-double MVP season. Guy averaged 7 rebounds because he was helping Westbrook to get easy ones...


As NOLA fan im satisfied with this trade. I expected more from Murphy but there is still time, and Valanciunas was great. Pels had awfull start but since Ingram came back they are actualy not that bad, and i see them fight every night which didn't happen since 2007-08 season #HerbJonesMVP.
We just lack talent in backcourt(since it was expected that Ingram and Zion will be primary ball handlers but Zion hasn't played yet and Ingram also missed quite a lot of games).
Pels are 15-13 since starting 1-13 and they are still without their best player...


Grizzlies are also great, Adams makes little plays that help them win and they don't need Val's scoring so it was ok for them also.

Herb Jones and Vals shooting have been the feel good stories for Pels this season.