Winning Needs to Matter in MVP Conversation Again

[bradybunch]

It does matter.

That's why Jokic is MVP.

[Apz]

It does. However, they should make it impossible to win mvp for anyone that is on same team as another allstar

[Harry Garris]

It should be humiliating to Jokic MVP voters that the soon to be back to back league MVP is about to get embarrassingly swept two years in a row.

Winning matters. 48 win season should be automatic disqualification from the discussion.

In a sense what you're saying is that if the best player in the league happens to be on a team where the second and third best player on the roster get hurt and miss the entire season and playoffs he should be automatically disqualified from MVP contention. Even if he is objectively the best player and has the best case under standard MVP criteria.

I can't get on board with that. Winning does matter. It is one of the factors that play into the MVP vote. But so does context.

No, I am not proposing that at all. I am saying that the MVP is an award, and a major factor in who wins should be how the mvp candidate leads their team to success. We are moving towards wins/results becoming meaningless, with individual stats becoming most important. Injuries are part of the game, we shouldn’t give Jokic MVP for a theoretical elite team that didn’t exist due to injuries.

Regarding MPJ, do you really consider him to be 3rd best player? I get he is a very talented and tall shooter, but seems like his defense offsets a lot of that offensive value.

So who is your MVP then? Devin Booker? The other 2 viable candidates according to most people were Embiid and Giannis but neither of them led their teams to elite records either, despite having more talent to work with than Jokic did.

MPJ would be the Nuggets 3rd best player if fully healthy we've just hardly ever seen him be fully healthy in his career unfortunately.