2023 trade deadline (February 9)

[jbk1234]

Turner was extended for two years 30 Mil. The article suggestsed that should take him off the trade market.
Anyone know if that is a fact? Because an extension, IMO, might suggest a pending trade with another team with matching 30 mil salary.

It was confirmed by Shams that the extension still allows Turner to be traded anytime. It just increases his value to teams who won't be getting an expiring contract only.

Yeah, but I don't really see the Pacers as motivated to trade him on that contract. At least not before the deadline.

[wolves_89]

Turner was extended for two years 30 Mil. The article suggestsed that should take him off the trade market.
Anyone know if that is a fact? Because an extension, IMO, might suggest a pending trade with another team with matching 30 mil salary.

It was confirmed by Shams that the extension still allows Turner to be traded anytime. It just increases his value to teams who won't be getting an expiring contract only.

The extension probably made him more valuable, but it also makes him harder to trade before the deadline. From my understanding he now counts as $35M in salary that would need to be matched in a trade.

[Brandon-Clyde]

Should be able to get Dame for bench guys because the Blazers suck. Obviously that means Dame isn’t that good and it doesn’t have to do with roster construction with a horrendous bench and no consistent offense outside of him. If he was actually good the Blazers would be in the playoffs amirite?

Dame for Malachi, Fred and protected firsts? Might have to add more than 2 to make it fair /greenfont

The difference is that Blazer fans aren't demanding superstar packages for their second and third best players.

Pretty sure Blazer fans would scoff at a Grant and Simons for WB and 27,29

What superstar does Westbrook and 27, 29 bring in return? And notice that in your trade scenario it doesn't appear to be either Simons or Grant for that return but both Simons and Grant. Would WB and 27,29 bring back any one of OG, Siakam or Barnes?

[UnbelievablyRAW]

The difference is that Blazer fans aren't demanding superstar packages for their second and third best players.

Pretty sure Blazer fans would scoff at a Grant and Simons for WB and 27,29

What superstar does Westbrook and 27, 29 bring in return? And notice that in your trade scenario it doesn't appear to be either Simons or Grant for that return but both Simons and Grant. Would WB and 27,29 bring back any one of OG, Siakam or Barnes?

Whoops replied in this thread instead of another trade deadline mock trade thread where FVV and Trent were offered to the Lakers for WB and the LAL 27 FRP.

My bad

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[Catchall]

I do think that Danny Ainge is going to try to gut the roster at the trade deadline and position the Jazz better for the upcoming draft. I think the Jazz want to make sure Lauri gets named an All Star, but after that I don't think the Jazz are going to try to compete past the deadline. Conley, Clarkson, Beasley, Vanderbilt and Olynyk are all possible sell-offs.

Jordan Clarkson has a player option for next season at under $15M. He's going to opt out and aim for another 3 years in the $19 - $20M/year range. Jazz and Clarkson love the fit with one another, but there's no guarantee he re-signs with the Jazz.

[rocketsfan100]

The Bucks offer of Jordan Nowra, Serge Ibaka, George Hill with multiple second rounders is pretty good for Crowder. Jordan Nowra is a pretty good young player. Serge is better than Biyombo or Landale and Hill is a serviceable backup. Plus you get a few second rounders.

[mediocrityrules]

The Bucks offer of Jordan Nowra, Serge Ibaka, George Hill with multiple second rounders is pretty good for Crowder. Jordan Nowra is a pretty good young player. Serge is better than Biyombo or Landale and Hill is a serviceable backup. Plus you get a few second rounders.

Serge is no longer better than anyone. He's washed. Certainly not better right now than Landale or Biyombo. Hill a very serviceable backup. Nwora is a chucker, and not a great one.

[SA37]

I think Ayton and Crowder for Vucevic, P Williams, Jones, and Dragic would make a lot of sense for both the Suns and the Bulls.

I also think this 3-way deal would work, too:

Chicago gets: Ayton and Okongwu

Phoenix gets: Capela and Collins

Atlanta gets: Vucevic, Crowder, and Williams

[God Squad]

I think Ayton and Crowder for Vucevic, P Williams, Jones, and Dragic would make a lot of sense for both the Suns and the Bulls.

I also think this 3-way deal would work, too:

Chicago gets: Ayton and Okongwu

Phoenix gets: Capela and Collins

Atlanta gets: Vucevic, Crowder, and Williams

Atlanta loses both their front court depth for Pwill and Crowder? I'd pass if I were ATL pretty easily.

[ChumboChappati]

Nope, just watch 2 weeks.

Harris + Bamba won't get you crap, let alone Fred lol. It's gotta be Suggs + Fillers.

C'mon now, Bamba who can barely crack the Magic's rotation after 5 years and Harris who's an injury prone one trick pony for a starting calibre pg.

You guys are forgetting that Fred will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season and can sign with any team. So Raptors do not have much leverage regarding Fred. Fred is going to demand huge money in the next contract (around 30 million dollars per year). Would Toronto pay that much money to him? Remember Toronto is a lottery team with Fred and has a bleak future. I think Harris + Bamba is a great offer in such a case.

You're forgetting:

1) Raps have his bird rights & can re-sign him if they so choose
2) Raptors have the best record in the eastern conference in the last decade
3) Raptors don't have a bleak future, they have a top 20 player in Siakam, rookie of the year Scottie Barnes, an easy top 5 defensive player in OG who averages 18 pts & leads the league in steals, Gary Trent Jr, Achiuwa and all our picks going forward... All guys & picks they can bring back or deal to reshape the roster.
4) If things don't improve this season, currently in line for a top 6 draft pick
5) Bamba & Harris have very little trade value around the league, Magic would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for either, so NO we don't have to give Fred away for couple bench pieces from a team who has an even worse record that would have zero impact on our team.

You are sounding like Raptors are one of the best teams in the NBA lol. But the reality is totally opposite. Raptors are currently one of the worst teams in the NBA and their future is also not bright as of now. Magic has a much better future than them.
Raptors need a lot of talent on their roster. I think they should definitely trade Fred and Siakam, be a lottery team for a couple of seasons to replenish talent, and improve their drafting acumen as they have missed out on better players in recent drafts.

[ChumboChappati]

Nope, just watch 2 weeks.

Harris + Bamba won't get you crap, let alone Fred lol. It's gotta be Suggs + Fillers.

C'mon now, Bamba who can barely crack the Magic's rotation after 5 years and Harris who's an injury prone one trick pony for a starting calibre pg.

You guys are forgetting that Fred will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season and can sign with any team. So Raptors do not have much leverage regarding Fred. Fred is going to demand huge money in the next contract (around 30 million dollars per year). Would Toronto pay that much money to him? Remember Toronto is a lottery team with Fred and has a bleak future. I think Harris + Bamba is a great offer in such a case.

True.last time the Raps had a UFA they were forced to do a S&T with Lowry and only got Achiuwa back.

What's that? Achiuwa just posted 27 pts and 13 reb tonight?

Oh the horror.

no problem with S&T; in any case Raptors should trade Fred IMO. I like Achiuwa, but think he is underwhelming for C. 27 pts and 13 reb against a team Portland which is also a lottery team and was missing its C Nurkic, is not something you should boost about.

[Raptors Realtor]

You guys are forgetting that Fred will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season and can sign with any team. So Raptors do not have much leverage regarding Fred. Fred is going to demand huge money in the next contract (around 30 million dollars per year). Would Toronto pay that much money to him? Remember Toronto is a lottery team with Fred and has a bleak future. I think Harris + Bamba is a great offer in such a case.

You're forgetting:

1) Raps have his bird rights & can re-sign him if they so choose
2) Raptors have the best record in the eastern conference in the last decade
3) Raptors don't have a bleak future, they have a top 20 player in Siakam, rookie of the year Scottie Barnes, an easy top 5 defensive player in OG who averages 18 pts & leads the league in steals, Gary Trent Jr, Achiuwa and all our picks going forward... All guys & picks they can bring back or deal to reshape the roster.
4) If things don't improve this season, currently in line for a top 6 draft pick
5) Bamba & Harris have very little trade value around the league, Magic would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for either, so NO we don't have to give Fred away for couple bench pieces from a team who has an even worse record that would have zero impact on our team.

You are sounding like Raptors are one of the best teams in the NBA lol. But the reality is totally opposite. Raptors are currently one of the worst teams in the NBA and their future is also not bright as of now. Magic has a much better future than them.
Raptors need a lot of talent on their roster. I think they should definitely trade Fred and Siakam, be a lottery team for a couple of seasons to replenish talent, and improve their drafting acumen as they have missed out on better players in recent drafts.

Dude you're exhausting to debate with. I never said the Raps are one of the best teams this year, it's obvious they're not. It doesn't mean that they don't have solid assets, which I've outlined in my previous post, and that those assets should/will return better then your scrub bench players which you had proposed... maybe try re-reading my post instead of continuing to spew generic drivel with zero substance.

[Dacost]

Raps fans what do you want for O.G ??

I know keeping him is probably ideal but if he was to be traded what would you want?

[Tripod]

You guys are forgetting that Fred will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season and can sign with any team. So Raptors do not have much leverage regarding Fred. Fred is going to demand huge money in the next contract (around 30 million dollars per year). Would Toronto pay that much money to him? Remember Toronto is a lottery team with Fred and has a bleak future. I think Harris + Bamba is a great offer in such a case.

True.last time the Raps had a UFA they were forced to do a S&T with Lowry and only got Achiuwa back.

What's that? Achiuwa just posted 27 pts and 13 reb tonight?

Oh the horror.

no problem with S&T; in any case Raptors should trade Fred IMO. I like Achiuwa, but think he is underwhelming for C. 27 pts and 13 reb against a team Portland which is also a lottery team and was missing its C Nurkic, is not something you should boost about.

The entire point is that you said the Raps dud not have much leverage on Fred. I disagree.

They hold his bird rights
They have multiple teams that want him
They have shown teams that if they don’t like a deal, they will hold him past the deadline
They have shown even if they do that, they can get a 2w year old former 1st rounder with upside

Your offer is missing the actual good pice to do the deal. You offered the filler....and fwiw I am fine with those 2 filler pieces as I have said having a bench scorer and big C who can stretch the floor are welcomed bench pieces.

But again, you are missing the good piece added to these 2 to entice the Raps to take this deal vs others.

[old skool]

Something seems to have gone bad in Toronto. Last year the Raptors were a 48 win team. This year, with the same core roster and coaches, they are on pace to finish in the lottery with 36 wins. That type of downturn screams dissension and conflict that teams would be wise to avoid.

I would expect the Raptors to put the sources of conflict on the trade market, but I would also expect potential trade partners to moderate any offers. No one needs bad apples that can sabotage a winning team.

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[CIN-C-STAR]

Apparently Bones Hyland is likely to get traded according to Marc Stein, and the T'Wolves are interested.
Bones for Slo Mo who says no?
I'd love to see Slo Mo and the Joker on the court together, ploddingly breaking other teams with their BBIQ

[BlazersBroncos]

The difference is that Blazer fans aren't demanding superstar packages for their second and third best players.

Pretty sure Blazer fans would scoff at a Grant and Simons for WB and 27,29

What superstar does Westbrook and 27, 29 bring in return? And notice that in your trade scenario it doesn't appear to be either Simons or Grant for that return but both Simons and Grant. Would WB and 27,29 bring back any one of OG, Siakam or Barnes?

I would do Grant, Hart, Winslow for WB, 27 UNP, 29 UNP.

Think PDX is in a dangerous spot to overpay both Grant and to a lesser extent Hart and lock this team into a worse treadmill than we currently have. Would cash them now if I ran the show.

[Jadoogar]

Something seems to have gone bad in Toronto. Last year the Raptors were a 48 win team. This year, with the same core roster and coaches, they are on pace to finish in the lottery with 36 wins. That type of downturn screams dissension and conflict that teams would be wise to avoid.

I would expect the Raptors to put the sources of conflict on the trade market, but I would also expect potential trade partners to moderate any offers. No one needs bad apples that can sabotage a winning team.

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Last season's record was falsely inflated in a way. Teams like the Nets, Sixers and Hawks had weirdly disappointing season and have gotten better in the offseason. Cavs had a better record than toronto for most of the season before falling to injuries.
All of these teams improved this summer while the raptors stayed the same.

[liquidswords]

Something seems to have gone bad in Toronto. Last year the Raptors were a 48 win team. This year, with the same core roster and coaches, they are on pace to finish in the lottery with 36 wins. That type of downturn screams dissension and conflict that teams would be wise to avoid.

I would expect the Raptors to put the sources of conflict on the trade market, but I would also expect potential trade partners to moderate any offers. No one needs bad apples that can sabotage a winning team.

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What I see is a lot of guys who are unsubscribing from their team model because they think they are better than they actually are (e.g. Van Vleet thinking he's worth 30-35M, OG getting talked about as a star)

Now that being said, a contender or fringe contender adding FVV or OG would be huge because they would slot in accordingly (think FVV on the Clippers)