Don't wanna hear Embiid is better than Jokic

[Mickey8]

Embiid couldn't beat 50 year old Horford one on one my man. What gives you an idea that Embiid would beat Jokic one on one in the play off settings

[Sgt Major]

Embiid would beat Jokic 1 on 1.

I don't think Jokic can beat any of the other top players 1 on 1.

Annnnnnd the Jokic criticisms have officially reached the rock bottom level of desperation. Congrats.

This isn't nearly as stupid as the takes of the guy who blasted around here about how Jokic was picked last on the All-Star draft. Goes by bebopdeluxe or something like that.

Imagine that level of nonsense

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I hate that this will be bumped when the Nuggets lose in the playoffs.

I am sure someone will bump this thread in a couple of years when the Nuggets get bumped

what does Embiid's game 7 performance has to do with the Nuggets or their future playoff runs?
sure, they'll lose in the playoffs multiple times in the coming seasons

I would bet good money that Jokic will never have a game even nearly as bad as Embiid's game 7 in the playoffs for the rest of his career. in any playoff game, not just in a crucial game 7

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I think the injury didn't really bother him that much if running on straight line or just load up and jump, but it became an issue the moment he had to change direction and move laterally, and that was very obvious when he was defending in space.
but where I agree is that Joel has some limitations on offense the moment you ask him to create against a fully loaded and well prepared offense.
Because of the nature of the game, big men can be planned against by a modern defense more easily if not set up, unless they have the vision of Nikola Jokic. In the move even this Joel would have been lethal, but Harden didn't have it either.

fair enough, that's now what I saw at all
I saw him making bad decisions and bad reads, consistenly going under screens when he shouldn't have
He looked like a deer in the headlight,everything was so slow on both ends from a cognitive stand point

what my eyes saw was him being limited by his composure, mind, motor etc
perhaps by the time game 7 came around he was completley gasses and deflated from the get-go?

if an injury prevents u from changing directions quickly - then it prevents you all the game
Embiid had some wild change of directions in this postseason run
physically there was nothing to suggest he wasn't capable of it

that's my take anyway

p.s - his limitations on offense are huge, playoff offense that is..not the kind Joe L specializes in which is offense vs tanking teams in the rs, flailing and flopping all around

[Infinite Llamas]

Embiid would beat Jokic 1 on 1.

I don't think Jokic can beat any of the other top players 1 on 1.

Annnnnnd the Jokic criticisms have officially reached the rock bottom level of desperation. Congrats.

This isn't nearly as stupid as the takes of the guy who blasted around here about how Jokic was picked last on the All-Star draft. Goes by bebopdeluxe or something like that.

Imagine that level of nonsense

Lol I still remember bebop saying Embiid was better because Jokic was playing crunch time in the 2022 All Star Game while Jokic was on the bench. You just can’t make this stuff up

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Embiid would beat Jokic 1 on 1.

I don't think Jokic can beat any of the other top players 1 on 1.

Annnnnnd the Jokic criticisms have officially reached the rock bottom level of desperation. Congrats.

I think it's Travel to the Center of the Earth level rock bottom.

[SonicMcMahon]

I love you ignore his All-NBA teammate in 06. The reality is that he played with great talent throughout his prime and won nothing, but these delusional Nash stans want to call out other guys for choking. It's hilarious.

I'm not sure what your main point is here. "Delusional Nash stans" only piped in because someone shared a tweet comparing Embiid's MVP to Nash's. It's pretty fair game to point out that Nash elevated his play in those playoff campaigns.

If I was looking at regular season stats, I'd call Joel a strong MVP and Nash a weak one. So I don't think they compare there. But this thread has been about Embiid's playoff performance (compared to Jokic) making his MVP selection seem worse. We all know that's dumb because MVP is a regular season award, not a crystal ball that determines who will have the best playoffs. Embiid was also injured and playing through it.

But if the subject is about MVPs and playoff performance, keep Nash's name out of it.
Despite Nash averaging less than half Embiid's regular season PPG 15.5 vs. 33.1, Nash outscores Joel in the playoffs 23.9 vs 23.7.
Nash is one of those rare player who actually raised his level of play and took on a bigger load in the playoffs.

This is specifically not the right time to compare Nash to Embiid. If Nash was a weak MVP it was because of his unspectacular boxscore numbers during the regular season. Embiid had all-time great box score numbers during the regular season. If people are taking shots at Embiid for struggling in the playoffs and using that as a referendum on his MVP, then Nash is the wrong comp because he went on a playoff tear in 2005 and 2006, silencing a lot of haters those years.

There are plenty of MVPs who had crappy playoff performances right after. 2007 Dirk, 2017 Russ, 2020 Giannis. There's even famous MVP who got severely outplayed by the guy they beat for the award: Hakeem killing David Robinson in 1995, Lebron shutting down Rose in 2011. Shaq smushing Iverson in 2001. But again, Nash not a good comp here. He actually got to play all his MVP rivals in 2005, beating Kobe and Dirk before losing to the eventual champion Spurs.

You can say I "ignored his All-NBA teammate in 06", and yes sure I should have mentioned Marion in case anyone didn't know Marion was on the team. You'll be hard pressed to find a bigger Marion fan on this board than me. I practically modeled my game after him going up. I think Marion was the clear-cut second-best player on those teams (ahead of Amare). But in the Nash Phoenix era, they won without Amar'e, they won without Marion. Nash took 3 different Phoenix teams to the Conference Finals with very different talent levels on each. If he didn't deserve his MVPs, it has nothing to do with his consistently excellent playoff performances.

Dude, please just never leave this forum.

[SonicMcMahon]

I hate that this will be bumped when the Nuggets lose in the playoffs.

I am sure someone will bump this thread in a couple of years when the Nuggets get bumped

what does Embiid's game 7 performance has to do with the Nuggets or their future playoff runs?
sure, they'll lose in the playoffs multiple times in the coming seasons

I would bet good money that Jokic will never have a game even nearly as bad as Embiid's game 7 in the playoffs for the rest of his career. in any playoff game, not just in a crucial game 7

Even when Joker is a 42 yr old crafty vet playing 15 bench minutes... his worst game is more impactful than Embiid's game 7.

Really hoping Joel bounces back though. His story isn't over.

[Wallace_Wallace]

I hate that this will be bumped when the Nuggets lose in the playoffs.

I am sure someone will bump this thread in a couple of years when the Nuggets get bumped

what does Embiid's game 7 performance has to do with the Nuggets or their future playoff runs?
sure, they'll lose in the playoffs multiple times in the coming seasons

I would bet good money that Jokic will never have a game even nearly as bad as Embiid's game 7 in the playoffs for the rest of his career. in any playoff game, not just in a crucial game 7

If Nikola Jokic played like he couldn't wait for his offseason to start in an elimination game, then maybe the other guy is correct. But let's not kid ourselves, if Jokic is going down, he's going down swinging. I would not be surprised he posted 40 point triple double.