2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread

[SweaterBae]

Imagine if Jokic got SGA's whistle.

[Black star]

Another year of Jokic fans yelling at anyone who talks about anyone else. Joy lol

[Mavrelous]

Kevin Durant was by far the best player on the floor in a game where Kyrie, Luka and Booker were playing, just amazing, Suns were +11 with him on the floor, -10 in 10 minutes he was on the bench.
He had a duel with Kyrie where they exchanged heymakers, classics stuff...

[SweaterBae]

Another year of Jokic fans yelling at anyone who talks about anyone else. Joy lol

Of people being right? That's a weird thing to hate on. Also, yelling? Exaggerate much?

[zimpy27]

Anthony Davis still looking great.

[Johnny Firpo]

Another year of Jokic fans yelling at anyone who talks about anyone else. Joy lol

There are no "Jokic fans". Everyone is a Jokic fan, with the exception of Philly fans. Even the Celtics fans here know what's up, and they generally love the guy. Anybody who is not biased, knows what's up. Or actually, in this case, everyone who is biased for Jokic, also just happens to be right, despite their homerism, and everyone impartial is also right, because it just is, what it is. Joker is the undisputed best player in the league, and literally everyone thinks that, who is not biased against him.

[Yuri36]

Can we say Luka Doncic is already out of the MVP race?
His team looks way worse than during the second part of last season and most of all, he himself looks probably the worst he's ever looked since he came in NBA.
People were saying that despite his historical individual season last year, his "slow start" of the season was too much of an handicap for him to climb to win a MVP but then, what will they say after this even poorer start of season?

I genuinely believe now last year will have been his best chance ever to win a MVP as I really see a guy who's only going to regress from now, especially physically (he looks like less fit years after years which is quite ridiculous for his age)

[KG Leonard]

Can we not compare Tatum and Jokic as players? I'm sick of seeing Tatum comparison diss threads where players who haven't done anything in playoffs like Ant, SGA is overhyped. Now there is a negative discussion because he isn't as great as the best player in the NBA?
Dismissing his years of great playoffs because Boston has other high quality players? You can hail Jokic as MVP but you can't dismiss Tatum because his GM has done his job and Denver's GM has done horrible job where a historical player like Jokic can't compete for the title right now. That's not a plus for Jokic, that regular season MVP is only thing he can win. I want to see my Celtics win the finals again. Who wins RS MVP will not matter for a contender in may, June. If Tatum wins MVP, I don't care.

[Johnny Firpo]

Can we say Luka Doncic is already out of the MVP race?
His team looks way worse than during the second part of last season and most of all, he himself looks probably the worst he's ever looked since he came in NBA.
People were saying that despite his historical individual season last year, his "slow start" of the season was too much of an handicap for him to climb to win a MVP but then, what will they say after this even poorer start of season?

I genuinely believe now last year will have been his best chance ever to win a MVP as I really see a guy who's only going to regress from now, especially physically (he looks like less fit years after years which is quite ridiculous for his age)

I think that's a bit dramatic. He is actually in shape right now and his November games are much better than the first four or so. He just had a 30/7/7 game that inspired your comment, which is pretty weird. He is probably not the main favorite. Btw, you are wrong about last season, he actually started the year at a supernova pace, he had a historic October, November, December. The team wasn't great, but he started better than this year.

[Johnny Firpo]

Can we not compare Tatum and Jokic as players? I'm sick of seeing Tatum comparison diss threads where players who haven't done anything in playoffs like Ant, SGA is overhyped. Now there is a negative discussion because he isn't as great as the best player in the NBA?
Dismissing his years of great playoffs because Boston has other high quality players? You can hail Jokic as MVP but you can't dismiss Tatum because his GM has done his job and Denver's GM has done horrible job where a historical player like Jokic can't compete for the title right now. That's not a plus for Jokic, that regular season MVP is only thing he can win. I want to see my Celtics win the finals again. Who wins RS MVP will not matter for a contender in may, June. If Tatum wins MVP, I don't care.

I'm sorry, but you do not sound like someone who doesn't care about it. You are actually asking people to not compare Tatum to Jokic, because it hurts your feelings. I'm not being a di*k here, you literally wrote this, you are sick of seeing these threads, so you obviously care. And that's okay, caring about it, what's the problem with that? And yes, Brad Stevens is the MVP, and yes, team accomplishments are the most important thing, and yes, Tatum could be, and probably should be better than he is. All of these things can be true at the same time. People are criticizing Tatum because we think he could be much better than he is. His best games are superstar level games. He could, and still can get there. This is an MVP thread, so because of how great the Celtics are, their best player will naturally be talked about, and then comparisons are inevitable.

[Yuri36]

Can we say Luka Doncic is already out of the MVP race?
His team looks way worse than during the second part of last season and most of all, he himself looks probably the worst he's ever looked since he came in NBA.
People were saying that despite his historical individual season last year, his "slow start" of the season was too much of an handicap for him to climb to win a MVP but then, what will they say after this even poorer start of season?

I genuinely believe now last year will have been his best chance ever to win a MVP as I really see a guy who's only going to regress from now, especially physically (he looks like less fit years after years which is quite ridiculous for his age)

I think that's a bit dramatic. He is actually in shape right now and his November games are much better than the first four or so. He just had a 30/7/7 game that inspired your comment, which is pretty weird. He is probably not the main favorite. Btw, you are wrong about last season, he actually started the year at a supernova pace, he had a historic October, November, December. The team wasn't great, but he started better than this year.

Well that's what I said actually but many people were saying his "average" start last year costed him the MVP

[Johnny Firpo]

Can we say Luka Doncic is already out of the MVP race?
His team looks way worse than during the second part of last season and most of all, he himself looks probably the worst he's ever looked since he came in NBA.
People were saying that despite his historical individual season last year, his "slow start" of the season was too much of an handicap for him to climb to win a MVP but then, what will they say after this even poorer start of season?

I genuinely believe now last year will have been his best chance ever to win a MVP as I really see a guy who's only going to regress from now, especially physically (he looks like less fit years after years which is quite ridiculous for his age)

I think that's a bit dramatic. He is actually in shape right now and his November games are much better than the first four or so. He just had a 30/7/7 game that inspired your comment, which is pretty weird. He is probably not the main favorite. Btw, you are wrong about last season, he actually started the year at a supernova pace, he had a historic October, November, December. The team wasn't great, but he started better than this year.

Well that's what I said actually but many people were saying his "average" start last year costed him the MVP

I think it was just a combination of things, mainly Jokic being clearly better than anybody else. But now, he could have a much better chance, but yeah, he needs the team to win at least 56-57, because the Thunder are going to win 60-62. So he has to be somewhat close. I can't see them giving it to Jokic again btw, getting close to LeBron would not be something that the voters want imo. That fourth one will only going to come, if the Nuggets win again.

[1993Playoffs]

First player where a 30pt triple double on 70ts% is just normal for him. That’s wild

[Merc_Porto]

How the hell do you put Jokic 3rd in a MVP ladder?
Honestly.

[brackdan70]

Seems like a four player race 10 games in.
1. Jokic
2. Tatum
3. SGA
4. Davis

[GeorgeSears]

30/11/14 on 13 shots

And no one is impressed.

Folks. Those aren't normal stats. We're just desensitized

I think this is an important point, and I've certainly been guilty in the past for taking Jokic for granted (ie. I've become so spoiled by his greatness that I expect these performance routinely without realizing how difficult and rare they are.)

We've become desensitized - to use your word - to Jokic's greatness. Players aren't supposed to be playing at this level this consistently, for this many years, and for 72+ games in a season. It's unlike anything we've seen in the modern era.

[Ssj16]

Can we not compare Tatum and Jokic as players? I'm sick of seeing Tatum comparison diss threads where players who haven't done anything in playoffs like Ant, SGA is overhyped. Now there is a negative discussion because he isn't as great as the best player in the NBA?
Dismissing his years of great playoffs because Boston has other high quality players? You can hail Jokic as MVP but you can't dismiss Tatum because his GM has done his job and Denver's GM has done horrible job where a historical player like Jokic can't compete for the title right now. That's not a plus for Jokic, that regular season MVP is only thing he can win. I want to see my Celtics win the finals again. Who wins RS MVP will not matter for a contender in may, June. If Tatum wins MVP, I don't care.

Because this is an MVP convo and Tatum is in the convo, I think it's fair to compare. Tatum is having an amazing season and I personally think that due to narrative, Tatum and SGA have a higher chance to win the race but Jokic is the better player flat out.

Advanced numbers, raw numbers, eye test, doing more with less - Jokic wins all these categories. It's really no different when Lebron was the clear best player in the NBA for around a decade.

[AleksandarN]

Can we not compare Tatum and Jokic as players? I'm sick of seeing Tatum comparison diss threads where players who haven't done anything in playoffs like Ant, SGA is overhyped. Now there is a negative discussion because he isn't as great as the best player in the NBA?
Dismissing his years of great playoffs because Boston has other high quality players? You can hail Jokic as MVP but you can't dismiss Tatum because his GM has done his job and Denver's GM has done horrible job where a historical player like Jokic can't compete for the title right now. That's not a plus for Jokic, that regular season MVP is only thing he can win. I want to see my Celtics win the finals again. Who wins RS MVP will not matter for a contender in may, June. If Tatum wins MVP, I don't care.

If you don’t care about MVP why are in this thread? Isn’t it a waste of time even reading the thread

[Wolfgang630]

I think it’s pretty clear who the top 7 mvp players are in no order

KD
Jokic
AD
SGA
Tatum
Edwards
Mitchell

[Doranku]

Seems like a four player race 10 games in.
1. Jokic
2. Tatum
3. SGA
4. Davis

KD deserves a mention at 4 or 5.