Laker's supporting cast - over rated ?

[Showtime:Part2]

let's put it this way, i'd trade pau, ariza, and fisher just to get pippen. happy j23forever?

[Showtime:Part2]

and keep bashing kobe's efficiency and shot-selection that game, but he was playing smart. the rockets jammed the middle and left the other lakers for open shots. we didn't hit any of em. kobe cannot drive against 3-4 people waiting in the lane for him everytime down.

[guy1]

Bynum's been sucking right through the playoffs. I personally don't think they even have a good supporting cast, let alone one of the best in the league AND there is no way they should be favorites to win the the title.

Its one thing to think they're not the best, but to say they are not even good is completely idiotic.

If Lakers win it all, it won't be because of Kobe, it'll be because the role players played well.

If the Lakers lose, it will be because of role players not Kobe. They suck.

What does that mean? So Kobe has no effect at all? Put Joe Johnson in his place and they'd be the same?

I don't know what you mean by superstar btw ?

Kobe.

[C'mon Cavs]

Bynum's been sucking right through the playoffs. I personally don't think they even have a good supporting cast, let alone one of the best in the league AND there is no way they should be favorites to win the the title.

If Lakers win it all, it won't be because of Kobe, it'll be because the role players played well.

If the Lakers lose, it will be because of role players not Kobe. They suck.

I don't know what you mean by superstar btw ?

Yeah, Gasol and Odom suck...no one would want those guys on their team. No one would want Ariza either, or Bynum. These guys are all bad. You're right, the Lakers don't even have a good supporting cast.

I don't think there's a team in the league that wouldn't take Gasol, Odom, Ariza or Bynum. I'd take all of them on the Cavs. We'd have ourselves a new starting center, new starting power forward, and our best guard and big man off the bench.

I just hope you're ready to call the Cavs big men the softest big men in the history of the league. The Lakers bigs match up very well with the Cavs bigs, and since you have stated quite clearly that the Laker bigs are soft, how else could we explain them dominating the Cavs other than the Cavs bigs being unbelievably, historically soft.

The Lakers are still favorites to win it all and will be unless Z, Varejao or Ben Wallace learn how to jump a foot higher and run faster by the time we play L.A. in the Finals. You can talk about defense and team chemistry all you want, but if the guy you're guarding is bigger, faster, more athletic and more skilled than you, it won't matter.

The Cavs definitely can beat the Lakers, but I don't see our bigs slowing down their bigs enough. If Kobe saves some 30 shot games for the Finals then the Cavs' odds go up considerably. We'll have to see.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

There's no way the Cavs beat the Lakers.

Lakers in 5, and that's being generous. Come on, a healthy Bynum is the Cavs starting C far and away.

[Gus McCrae]

Ummm...Lakers need to come out of the west first. And how you can say Lakers in 5? gawd, no way. it would take 6-7 IF we're going to win.

[SimonAdebisi]

A healthy Bynum doesn't exist.

[Basileus777]

The Lakers support cast is indeed highly overrated. Gasol is soft and disappears against tough defensive teams. Bynum only looks to score and doesn't play well with Gasol. Odom is highly erratic. Fisher is washed up and the Lakers don't have enough consistent three-point shooters. The Lakers lack tough players who can rebound, play defense, and do the dirty work. And outside of Kobe none of these players are really all that good at creating their own shots.

[SimonAdebisi]

That doesn't really change anything though. They might be overrated(I also believe they are), but you can find flaws for every supporting cast in the NBA. I'd still say they're the best, or at least in the top 3.

[Basileus777]

That doesn't really change anything though. They might be overrated(I also believe they are), but you can find flaws for every supporting cast in the NBA. I'd still say they're the best, or at least in the top 3.

I agree with this, I'm not making excuses for the Lakers. Their supporting cast is one of the best in the league, but I'd dispute the idea that it is far and away the best and on a different level than what exists in say Cleveland and Denver.

[Silver Bullet]

Bynum's been sucking right through the playoffs. I personally don't think they even have a good supporting cast, let alone one of the best in the league AND there is no way they should be favorites to win the the title.

If Lakers win it all, it won't be because of Kobe, it'll be because the role players played well.

If the Lakers lose, it will be because of role players not Kobe. They suck.

I don't know what you mean by superstar btw ?

Yeah, Gasol and Odom suck...no one would want those guys on their team. No one would want Ariza either, or Bynum. These guys are all bad. You're right, the Lakers don't even have a good supporting cast.

I don't think there's a team in the league that wouldn't take Gasol, Odom, Ariza or Bynum. I'd take all of them on the Cavs. We'd have ourselves a new starting center, new starting power forward, and our best guard and big man off the bench.

I just hope you're ready to call the Cavs big men the softest big men in the history of the league. The Lakers bigs match up very well with the Cavs bigs, and since you have stated quite clearly that the Laker bigs are soft, how else could we explain them dominating the Cavs other than the Cavs bigs being unbelievably, historically soft.

The Lakers are still favorites to win it all and will be unless Z, Varejao or Ben Wallace learn how to jump a foot higher and run faster by the time we play L.A. in the Finals. You can talk about defense and team chemistry all you want, but if the guy you're guarding is bigger, faster, more athletic and more skilled than you, it won't matter.

The Cavs definitely can beat the Lakers, but I don't see our bigs slowing down their bigs enough. If Kobe saves some 30 shot games for the Finals then the Cavs' odds go up considerably. We'll have to see.

Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Ariza, Fisher, Vujacic don't suck as players. Any team would love to have any one or two of them. The Lakers supporting cast does not suck because they don't have good players, it sucks because it is a horrible, horrible mix.

Take a look at Mavericks - Nuggets. The Mavs have more talented players, but so far, it looks like a no -contest, because the Nuggets supporting cast is tough, rugged, long and strong.

Btw, I think Z is miles better than Bynum. He's an infinitely superior positional defender, a better mid-range shooter and a better post up player.

[PerkinsFor3]

vujajic sucks. he's this years walton/farmar. these guys are overrated because theyre on the lakers team. we saw the smae thing with smush parker.

[C'mon Cavs]

Bynum's been sucking right through the playoffs. I personally don't think they even have a good supporting cast, let alone one of the best in the league AND there is no way they should be favorites to win the the title.

If Lakers win it all, it won't be because of Kobe, it'll be because the role players played well.

If the Lakers lose, it will be because of role players not Kobe. They suck.

I don't know what you mean by superstar btw ?

Yeah, Gasol and Odom suck...no one would want those guys on their team. No one would want Ariza either, or Bynum. These guys are all bad. You're right, the Lakers don't even have a good supporting cast.

I don't think there's a team in the league that wouldn't take Gasol, Odom, Ariza or Bynum. I'd take all of them on the Cavs. We'd have ourselves a new starting center, new starting power forward, and our best guard and big man off the bench.

I just hope you're ready to call the Cavs big men the softest big men in the history of the league. The Lakers bigs match up very well with the Cavs bigs, and since you have stated quite clearly that the Laker bigs are soft, how else could we explain them dominating the Cavs other than the Cavs bigs being unbelievably, historically soft.

The Lakers are still favorites to win it all and will be unless Z, Varejao or Ben Wallace learn how to jump a foot higher and run faster by the time we play L.A. in the Finals. You can talk about defense and team chemistry all you want, but if the guy you're guarding is bigger, faster, more athletic and more skilled than you, it won't matter.

The Cavs definitely can beat the Lakers, but I don't see our bigs slowing down their bigs enough. If Kobe saves some 30 shot games for the Finals then the Cavs' odds go up considerably. We'll have to see.

Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Ariza, Fisher, Vujacic don't suck as players. Any team would love to have any one or two of them. The Lakers supporting cast does not suck because they don't have good players, it sucks because it is a horrible, horrible mix.

Take a look at Mavericks - Nuggets. The Mavs have more talented players, but so far, it looks like a no -contest, because the Nuggets supporting cast is tough, rugged, long and strong.

Btw, I think Z is miles better than Bynum. He's an infinitely superior positional defender, a better mid-range shooter and a better post up player.

I would not say that the Mavericks have more talent than Denver. Not even close really. Denver might have the most athletic roster in the NBA and probably the most talented scorers. Carmelo, Billups, Nene, J.R. Smith, Kleiza, K-Mart, Birdman. That's a lot of talent and a lot of depth.

I'd take that over Dallas. Denver has by far the better #2 option in Billups and the have more depth. That's a really, really bad example to prove your point.

Z is a better defender? Than what, a traffic cone. Has anyone even watched Z play the second half of the season. I've been thinking this for a while and hinted at this in some of my posts...Z is the Cavs 5th best player. Yup, it's true. He's a pick and pop player who grabs the occassional offensive board, occassionally scores in the post (in between countless misses and turnovers), and plays sometimes average but usually below average defense. He is also the most unathletic player in the NBA.

Z is obviously the better mid range shooter. If Z couldn't shoot the ball he wouldn't even be in the NBA. He's a very good shooter and his 3-point shooting is rare for a big man. He is not a better post player than Bynum. Bynum is underrated in the post with a surprisingly soft touch and nice hook shots. He can also over power players and make athletic finishes that Z could never dream of.

Z is better for the Cavs, but Bynum is the better player. If Varejao or Ben Wallace could hit a shot, I'd take Bynum without thinking twice though.

[SimonAdebisi]

Bynum is actually a very good post player, that's part of what's so special about his potential. I don't see the big deal about him on this Lakers team though, but only because he doesn't really give them anything significant that they need. His size is definitely something that helps, but he isn't this tough defender, rebounder, and interior presence that we heard he was going to be. He just adds offense to a team that doesn't need more scoring.

[microfib4thewin]

Silver Bullet, please stop posting. You are trying way too hard to discredit the supporting cast. They haven't always been spectacular, but they do have a role and they do it well. As a Laker fan I am disgusted fellow fans will go so far to hype up Kobe.

[guy1]

Bynum's been sucking right through the playoffs. I personally don't think they even have a good supporting cast, let alone one of the best in the league AND there is no way they should be favorites to win the the title.

If Lakers win it all, it won't be because of Kobe, it'll be because the role players played well.

If the Lakers lose, it will be because of role players not Kobe. They suck.

I don't know what you mean by superstar btw ?

Yeah, Gasol and Odom suck...no one would want those guys on their team. No one would want Ariza either, or Bynum. These guys are all bad. You're right, the Lakers don't even have a good supporting cast.

I don't think there's a team in the league that wouldn't take Gasol, Odom, Ariza or Bynum. I'd take all of them on the Cavs. We'd have ourselves a new starting center, new starting power forward, and our best guard and big man off the bench.

I just hope you're ready to call the Cavs big men the softest big men in the history of the league. The Lakers bigs match up very well with the Cavs bigs, and since you have stated quite clearly that the Laker bigs are soft, how else could we explain them dominating the Cavs other than the Cavs bigs being unbelievably, historically soft.

The Lakers are still favorites to win it all and will be unless Z, Varejao or Ben Wallace learn how to jump a foot higher and run faster by the time we play L.A. in the Finals. You can talk about defense and team chemistry all you want, but if the guy you're guarding is bigger, faster, more athletic and more skilled than you, it won't matter.

The Cavs definitely can beat the Lakers, but I don't see our bigs slowing down their bigs enough. If Kobe saves some 30 shot games for the Finals then the Cavs' odds go up considerably. We'll have to see.

Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Ariza, Fisher, Vujacic don't suck as players. Any team would love to have any one or two of them. The Lakers supporting cast does not suck because they don't have good players, it sucks because it is a horrible, horrible mix.

Take a look at Mavericks - Nuggets. The Mavs have more talented players, but so far, it looks like a no -contest, because the Nuggets supporting cast is tough, rugged, long and strong.

Btw, I think Z is miles better than Bynum. He's an infinitely superior positional defender, a better mid-range shooter and a better post up player.

A team that wins is 65 games is a horrible mix.

[Agent0]

Most overrated players on the Lakers are Ariza and their bench PG
Ariza wouldn't play more than 15 minutes on any other NBA team.

[Ayt]

Is this the Kobe Bryant excuse thread?

[Bgil]

I disagree. It has been overexaggerated how much teams are limited physically, but even though its overexaggerated, that doesn't mean they haven't limited. It is somewhat of a myth because it is overexaggerated, just like its somewhat of a myth that Jordan never played against zone defenses (they were illegal, but they were still used at times) and was never double or triple-teamed. Its also a myth that the allowing of zone defenses today has had such a negative effect on offenses, because the fact is zone defense is still not used that much.

actually. it not a myth. Teams like the Celtics and Lakers run zone all game long. They also double team guys without the ball with regularity. No one ran zone back then for more than a play or two in an entire game. If they did they were called for it and when back to man to man. Hell, even the man-help schemes used today are vastly superior to the ones used in that era. Just watch some Miami Heat games sometime.

[RocketPower23]

Bynum's been sucking right through the playoffs. I personally don't think they even have a good supporting cast, let alone one of the best in the league AND there is no way they should be favorites to win the the title.

If Lakers win it all, it won't be because of Kobe, it'll be because the role players played well.

If the Lakers lose, it will be because of role players not Kobe. They suck.

I don't know what you mean by superstar btw ?

Yeah, Gasol and Odom suck...no one would want those guys on their team. No one would want Ariza either, or Bynum. These guys are all bad. You're right, the Lakers don't even have a good supporting cast.

I don't think there's a team in the league that wouldn't take Gasol, Odom, Ariza or Bynum. I'd take all of them on the Cavs. We'd have ourselves a new starting center, new starting power forward, and our best guard and big man off the bench.

I just hope you're ready to call the Cavs big men the softest big men in the history of the league. The Lakers bigs match up very well with the Cavs bigs, and since you have stated quite clearly that the Laker bigs are soft, how else could we explain them dominating the Cavs other than the Cavs bigs being unbelievably, historically soft.

The Lakers are still favorites to win it all and will be unless Z, Varejao or Ben Wallace learn how to jump a foot higher and run faster by the time we play L.A. in the Finals. You can talk about defense and team chemistry all you want, but if the guy you're guarding is bigger, faster, more athletic and more skilled than you, it won't matter.

The Cavs definitely can beat the Lakers, but I don't see our bigs slowing down their bigs enough. If Kobe saves some 30 shot games for the Finals then the Cavs' odds go up considerably. We'll have to see.

Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Ariza, Fisher, Vujacic don't suck as players. Any team would love to have any one or two of them. The Lakers supporting cast does not suck because they don't have good players, it sucks because it is a horrible, horrible mix.

Take a look at Mavericks - Nuggets. The Mavs have more talented players, but so far, it looks like a no -contest, because the Nuggets supporting cast is tough, rugged, long and strong.

Btw, I think Z is miles better than Bynum. He's an infinitely superior positional defender, a better mid-range shooter and a better post up player.

Gasol, and probably Odom and Bynum, Vujacic, Fisher and Ariza, not a chance, do you know how one dimensional these players are. Why do you think the Magic didn't play Ariza, sure he looks good now, but stick him back on the Magic and then we'll see how good a player he is. Fisher in Utah was supposed to be their back-up point guard, but instead they had to use him as their back up shooting guard, do I have to explain to you why. All these players are extremely limited, do you know how the triangle works, it suppose to get the most out of players actual abilities and somewhat hide their weaknesses. Fisher would have trouble getting minutes on any other team in this league, same for Vujacic and Ariza. And as mentioned before, a horrible mix of players just somehow manages to win 65 games, do you even know what you're talking about.