2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.3)

[Wolfgang630]

I don’t see a problem with voting Embiid or Giannis, especially Embiid. Embiid has worked hard for it and played great in every game. Not his fault Harden is inconsistent. If they had gotten Harden and made it 55 wins with the first seed, he would definitely win it imo. Being the first center to have the scoring title in 20+ years is a big deal. I do feel bad for Embiid. He’s worked. He did what he could do without Simmons. He seems like he’s matured. No injuries, which was the biggest knock on him. I do hope he wins an MVP one day.

I just thought it was funny Jalen Rose was definitive on he’s voting Jokic, then changed then next day lol. Don’t know if ESPN wanted to him to say different to keep pushing them 2 or he really did change. It was just funny that’s all.

There’s still no definitive proof that Jalen voted for Embiid other than someone ITT saying he did

I just watched Jalen Rose’s video (Jalen and Jacoby) from yesterday (because I guess I have to do it myself lol). He never said anything about voting for Embiid. The day before he confirmed he was voting for Jokic. Yesterday he just talked about the candidates, but he never said he was switching votes.

So, unless there’s some other video out there I missed from him, he voted for Jokic.

[BoatsNZones]

I don’t see a problem with voting Embiid or Giannis, especially Embiid. Embiid has worked hard for it and played great in every game. Not his fault Harden is inconsistent. If they had gotten Harden and made it 55 wins with the first seed, he would definitely win it imo. Being the first center to have the scoring title in 20+ years is a big deal. I do feel bad for Embiid. He’s worked. He did what he could do without Simmons. He seems like he’s matured. No injuries, which was the biggest knock on him. I do hope he wins an MVP one day.

I just thought it was funny Jalen Rose was definitive on he’s voting Jokic, then changed then next day lol. Don’t know if ESPN wanted to him to say different to keep pushing them 2 or he really did change. It was just funny that’s all.

There’s still no definitive proof that Jalen voted for Embiid other than someone ITT saying he did

I just watched Jalen Rose’s video (Jalen and Jacoby) from yesterday (because I guess I have to do it myself lol). He never said anything about voting for Embiid. The day before he confirmed he was voting for Jokic. Yesterday he just talked about the candidates, but he never said he was switching votes.

So, unless there’s some other video out there I missed from him, he voted for Jokic.

He literally publicly switched 4 times in the final week and ended on "idk" yesterday (I did see the clip). Lol, so it's fair to throw his out unless he stated his actual picks today.

It's going to be very close for 2/3. Jokic ran away with MVP.


edit: Just pulled up their podcast today. He did in fact land on Jokic (ballot is in). COY he took Jenkins. DPOY he took Smart.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Joker will probably win 5 MVPs, his team is not even finishing top 5 in the league, just think about that. There is no reason Joker will not lead a team to a few top finishes. He is setting up for a top 10 resume in my opinion.

No way he sniffs top 10 without at least 3 chips

With 2 you can get there (Olajuwon?), but of course depends whose list it is

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[AleksandarN]

I like the breakdown by Russollo and Simmons. It is a close call. I hope mvp is not a runaway race. All three deserve more respect for the seasons they had

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[AleksandarN]

Joker will probably win 5 MVPs, his team is not even finishing top 5 in the league, just think about that. There is no reason Joker will not lead a team to a few top finishes. He is setting up for a top 10 resume in my opinion.

No way he sniffs top 10 without at least 3 chips

With 2 you can get there (Olajuwon?), but of course depends whose list it is

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2 gets you in the conversation. With 3 it becomes a lock top 10

[Raps in 4]

I like the breakdown by Russollo and Simmons. It is a close call. I hope mvp is not a runaway race. All three deserve more respect for the seasons they had

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Statistically, Jokic has had a much better season than the other two (and they had great seasons in their own right).

[BoatsNZones]

No way he sniffs top 10 without at least 3 chips

With 2 you can get there (Olajuwon?), but of course depends whose list it is

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2 gets you in the conversation. With 3 it becomes a lock top 10

Far from. Moses has 3 (+ a ship/Finals MVP) and is in nobodies top 10.

edit: Read this as MVP's not chips.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

With 2 you can get there (Olajuwon?), but of course depends whose list it is

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2 gets you in the conversation. With 3 it becomes a lock top 10

Far from. Moses has 3 (+ a ship/Finals MVP) and is in nobodies top 10.

Moses won only once, in the (almost) fo fo fo season

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[Roger Murdock]

I think 76ers and Embiid fans kinda blew the narrative

If they focused on what Embiid does well and focused on intangible things like Joel’s leadership keeping the team in contention despite their second best player literally quitting they had a compelling argument. So much of their focused was on how Jokic sucks at defense and is overrated and not as good as Embiid which had everyone impartial dismiss them because those are takes only wildly biased/insecure fans could come up with.

Joel had an MVP caliber season he just wasn’t as good on the court as Jokic. There was a compelling narrative there that was glossed over in favor of baseless attacks on the NBA best player

[BoatsNZones]

2 gets you in the conversation. With 3 it becomes a lock top 10

Far from. Moses has 3 (+ a ship/Finals MVP) and is in nobodies top 10.

Moses won only once, in the (almost) fo fo fo season

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Oh my bad Aleksandar.

I misread his comment as 3 MVPs.

3 ships with 2 MVPs also does not lock you in though. Curry has this already as a 1 or 1a/b and generally lands 13-20 on most lists.

[AleksandarN]

With 2 you can get there (Olajuwon?), but of course depends whose list it is

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2 gets you in the conversation. With 3 it becomes a lock top 10

Far from. Moses has 3 (+ a ship/Finals MVP) and is in nobodies top 10.

edit: Read this as MVP's not chips.

Mkoses doesnt have 3 chips

[AleksandarN]

Far from. Moses has 3 (+ a ship/Finals MVP) and is in nobodies top 10.

Moses won only once, in the (almost) fo fo fo season

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Oh my bad Aleksandar.

I misread his comment as 3 MVPs.

3 ships with 2 MVPs also does not lock you in though. Curry has this already as a 1 or 1a/b and generally lands 13-20 on most lists.

I was replying to the original post saying if he had 5mvp. I said along 3 chips yes he would be. You don't think 5 MVPs and 3 chips is not a lock for top ten?

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I don't know why but on my Twitter timeline started to appear numerous posts from Embiid fans, even verified guys.
What I found very annoying was this attitude "whoever doesn't vote for Joel is an idiot"
Is it the same for the fans of the other two guys?

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[losmi]

I don't know why but on myTwitter timeline started to appear numerous posts from Embiid fans, even verified guys.
What I found vwry annoying was this attitude "whoever doesn't vote for Joel is an idiot"
Is it the same for the fans of the other
two guys?

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Their campaign against Jokic is embarrassing for this sport.

[eathb_au]

MVP spreadsheet now has 34 confirmed ballots-or-voters, and 27 of them have Jokic in first. That's nearly 80% of the first place votes.

[Roger Murdock]

There’s potential response bias here

I think people who are publicly sharing their logic and reasoning behind MVP voting are more likely to be informed votes, wanting to share their rational, and putting more thought / logic into their decisions.

Voters who aren’t sharing are more likely less engaged and potentially more likely to be swayed by aggressive campaigning and points/game over of criteria.

I think people sharing their viewpoints are psychologically going to favor someone like Jokic more so than Embiid.

I don’t know what people not sharing their votes are thinking but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were favoring Embiid.

[maxwellcu]

Id argue the opposite. Contrarians are typically interested in other people knowing about their contrarian opinions. And what could be better than putting your name on such an opinion before everybody else.

Either way, J is close enough to the finish line that it doesn’t matter even if it is a bit biased.

[losmi]

There’s potential response bias here

I think people who are publicly sharing their logic and reasoning behind MVP voting are more likely to be informed votes, wanting to share their rational, and putting more thought / logic into their decisions.

Voters who aren’t sharing are more likely less engaged and potentially more likely to be swayed by aggressive campaigning and points/game over of criteria.

I think people sharing their viewpoints are psychologically going to favor someone like Jokic more so than Embiid.

I don’t know what people not sharing their votes are thinking but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were favoring Embiid.

I agree, this is definitely not a random sample. These were mostly people who care to explain their reasoning, and when you have to explain there's really not much to say in favor of Embiid. Albeit, there were also a few who are never ashamed to talk nonsense.

However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the vast majority of silent voters are favoring Embiid, and the lead seem quite big enough.

[Genjuro]

I think 76ers and Embiid fans kinda blew the narrative

If they focused on what Embiid does well and focused on intangible things like Joel’s leadership keeping the team in contention despite their second best player literally quitting they had a compelling argument. So much of their focused was on how Jokic sucks at defense and is overrated and not as good as Embiid which had everyone impartial dismiss them because those are takes only wildly biased/insecure fans could come up with.

Joel had an MVP caliber season he just wasn’t as good on the court as Jokic. There was a compelling narrative there that was glossed over in favor of baseless attacks on the NBA best player

I would say most of the narrative focused on seeding, which in the end backfired.

[losmi]

I think 76ers and Embiid fans kinda blew the narrative

If they focused on what Embiid does well and focused on intangible things like Joel’s leadership keeping the team in contention despite their second best player literally quitting they had a compelling argument. So much of their focused was on how Jokic sucks at defense and is overrated and not as good as Embiid which had everyone impartial dismiss them because those are takes only wildly biased/insecure fans could come up with.

Joel had an MVP caliber season he just wasn’t as good on the court as Jokic. There was a compelling narrative there that was glossed over in favor of baseless attacks on the NBA best player

I would say most of the narrative focused on seeding, which in the end backfired.

They consider themselves tied for 2nd seed.

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Team record doesn't matter if you're 6th seed, but apparently it does matter if you're 4th seed.