The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

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Who wins? (May select 2 options.)

Simmons
361
38%
Ball
35
4%
Kuzma
39
4%
Tatum
103
11%
Markkanen
78
8%
Smith Jr
7
1%
Fox
5
1%
Mitchell
280
30%
Anunoby
18
2%
Other
14
1%
 
Total votes: 940

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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2621 » by GameBredAPBT » Mon Apr 2, 2018 11:40 am

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mtron929 wrote:Simmons is a very unique player and I suspect that his basketball IQ might be even higher than Lebron's (obviously, Lebron beats him in athleticism and shooting). And I think he kind of plays basketball like how an elite #10 plays futbol.


Simmons loses nothing to LeBron in terms of athleticism

Guy is 6'10"+ and has the coordination and fluidity of a much smaller guy plus he is strong

He is a unique package in that regard


He isn't close to the athlete that LeCision is & no one thinks that
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Post#2622 » by GameBredAPBT » Mon Apr 2, 2018 11:41 am

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Tomjas wrote:
mtron929 wrote:Simmons is a very unique player and I suspect that his basketball IQ might be even higher than Lebron's (obviously, Lebron beats him in athleticism and shooting). And I think he kind of plays basketball like how an elite #10 plays futbol.


Simmons loses nothing to LeBron in terms of athleticism

Guy is 6'10"+ and has the coordination and fluidity of a much smaller guy plus he is strong

He is a unique package in that regard


Athleticism, yes I agree theyre quite equal there. But where Lebron has a HUGE edge right now is obviously shooting, scoring instincts and his absolute power.

Lebron is hybrid playmaker/scorer force.

Simmons’ game is basically a re-incarnation of Magic Johnson’s.




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They aren't remotely close athletically.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2623 » by XtremeDunkz » Mon Apr 2, 2018 11:48 am

GameBredAPBT wrote:
Sasashi wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
Simmons loses nothing to LeBron in terms of athleticism

Guy is 6'10"+ and has the coordination and fluidity of a much smaller guy plus he is strong

He is a unique package in that regard


Athleticism, yes I agree theyre quite equal there. But where Lebron has a HUGE edge right now is obviously shooting, scoring instincts and his absolute power.

Lebron is hybrid playmaker/scorer force.

Simmons’ game is basically a re-incarnation of Magic Johnson’s.




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They aren't remotely close athletically.


Simmons doesn't have the strength but 21 year old Lebron didn't have the strength either. Athletically Simmons is pretty comparable to young Lebron
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2624 » by Kabookalu » Mon Apr 2, 2018 11:58 am

I'll say it, I think Simmons is more athletic than LeBron. I value coordination and body control a lot more than sheer jumping ability and end to end speed, and I've never seen a player that big look as smooth as he does flying down the court or maneuvering through traffic.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2625 » by GameBredAPBT » Mon Apr 2, 2018 11:59 am

XtremeDunkz wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
Sasashi wrote:
Athleticism, yes I agree theyre quite equal there. But where Lebron has a HUGE edge right now is obviously shooting, scoring instincts and his absolute power.

Lebron is hybrid playmaker/scorer force.

Simmons’ game is basically a re-incarnation of Magic Johnson’s.




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They aren't remotely close athletically.


Simmons doesn't have the strength but 21 year old Lebron didn't have the strength either. Athletically Simmons is pretty comparable to young Lebron


Definitely not. The speed, the explosion, the visceral strength, the blinding speed, the elite fast twitch muscle fiber.... LBJ is probably the greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen. Simmons is athletic but he's several tiers below.
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Post#2626 » by Unbreakable99 » Mon Apr 2, 2018 12:49 pm

Simmons isn’t the athlete LeBron is. I do think they are about the same level of quickness though. Simmons is so fast with the ball. Simmons is taller and longer than LeBron but LeBron is stronger and built like Karl Malone. LeBron is thicker in the body and has more mass. LeBron is a much better leader too. LeBron can get up higher and he can block shots from behind.
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Post#2627 » by cksdayoff » Mon Apr 2, 2018 1:04 pm

GameBredAPBT wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
They aren't remotely close athletically.


Simmons doesn't have the strength but 21 year old Lebron didn't have the strength either. Athletically Simmons is pretty comparable to young Lebron


Definitely not. The speed, the explosion, the visceral strength, the blinding speed, the elite fast twitch muscle fiber.... LBJ is probably the greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen. Simmons is athletic but he's several tiers below.


several tiers is an exaggeration. simmons is a tier below lebron
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Post#2628 » by GameBredAPBT » Mon Apr 2, 2018 1:22 pm

cksdayoff wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:
Simmons doesn't have the strength but 21 year old Lebron didn't have the strength either. Athletically Simmons is pretty comparable to young Lebron


Definitely not. The speed, the explosion, the visceral strength, the blinding speed, the elite fast twitch muscle fiber.... LBJ is probably the greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen. Simmons is athletic but he's several tiers below.


several tiers is an exaggeration. simmons is a tier below lebron


I'd say two tiers. Simmons is a phenomenal athlete though.
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Post#2629 » by SkyHookFTW » Mon Apr 2, 2018 1:35 pm

GameBredAPBT wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
They aren't remotely close athletically.


Simmons doesn't have the strength but 21 year old Lebron didn't have the strength either. Athletically Simmons is pretty comparable to young Lebron


Definitely not. The speed, the explosion, the visceral strength, the blinding speed, the elite fast twitch muscle fiber.... LBJ is probably the greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen. Simmons is athletic but he's several tiers below.

A bit of hyperbole there--greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen? He's not even the greatest in NBA history. Let's not go overboard. Simmons is not the athlete LeBron is yet, but LeBron at 21 was not the LeBron of today. Simmons may never get to that point, or he might. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Post#2630 » by Jazztop » Mon Apr 2, 2018 2:12 pm

QPR wrote:Josh Jackson's last 10 games: 21.2/5.3/3 and 2 steals

Way ahead of schedule.

I like Jackson and really happy for him as far as his personal play.

Tough season from both the perspective of being with a struggling team and the slow first couple of months for him. Really liked him in college and just seems like a guy you want to root for.
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Post#2631 » by GameBredAPBT » Mon Apr 2, 2018 2:21 pm

SkyHookFTW wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:
Simmons doesn't have the strength but 21 year old Lebron didn't have the strength either. Athletically Simmons is pretty comparable to young Lebron


Definitely not. The speed, the explosion, the visceral strength, the blinding speed, the elite fast twitch muscle fiber.... LBJ is probably the greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen. Simmons is athletic but he's several tiers below.

A bit of hyperbole there--greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen? He's not even the greatest in NBA history. Let's not go overboard. Simmons is not the athlete LeBron is yet, but LeBron at 21 was not the LeBron of today. Simmons may never get to that point, or he might. We'll just have to wait and see.


Genetically speaking, he's nowhere near the athlete LBJ is. Not close. Great athlete though. LBJ is in a tier all his own.
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Post#2632 » by commentatorer » Mon Apr 2, 2018 2:59 pm

Simmons has now won 3 games in a row without Embiid (Philly's last 2 games + the win over Miami in February).
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Post#2633 » by 711takeover » Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:03 pm

commentatorer wrote:Simmons has now won 3 games in a row without Embiid (Philly's last 2 games + the win over Miami in February).


Wow - that's crazy!
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Post#2634 » by SmartWentCrazy » Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:10 pm

SkyHookFTW wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:
Simmons doesn't have the strength but 21 year old Lebron didn't have the strength either. Athletically Simmons is pretty comparable to young Lebron


Definitely not. The speed, the explosion, the visceral strength, the blinding speed, the elite fast twitch muscle fiber.... LBJ is probably the greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen. Simmons is athletic but he's several tiers below.

A bit of hyperbole there--greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen? He's not even the greatest in NBA history. Let's not go overboard. Simmons is not the athlete LeBron is yet, but LeBron at 21 was not the LeBron of today. Simmons may never get to that point, or he might. We'll just have to wait and see.


I dont think it is— LeBron, in my opinion, is likely be the best athlete in human history. He’s been able to do things no man his size ever should be abld to do.
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Post#2635 » by voodooguru » Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:12 pm

mtron929 wrote:[Simmons]...kind of plays basketball like how an elite #10 plays futbol.


Fact fans?

Fact : Ben "Beige Magic" Simmons plays b-ball like a footballer. An Australian Football League (AFL) footballer.

Fact : Simmons would have been a Top Five AFL draftee [if he'd chosen love over money]. No. Doubt.

If yr one of the 8 people who read this and know the Aussie Rules game, you already know that :

Other than our beloved b-ball, Rules is the only other team sport with no offside rule.

Because of this,lol[?], it's the game that makes futbol/soccer look like croquet/badminton. The game will never take over the world but it is certainly the basketball of NFL, rugby, and soccer.

The game is very athletic and nigh unto nonstop. You wouldn't be able to see this in most AFL highlight videos but if you watch three minutes of an actual game you'll see for yourself how it's contributed to Beige Magic's passing game.

It's hard-running, physically demanding, physical [tackling] and highly athletic.

[I believe that as young athletes, guys like Bogut, Baynes, and Thuggervedova all MAY have given up the Rules game because they didn't have the athleticism it takes to play the game. Money-wise they got lucky.]

The most important Rules contribution to Beige Magic's game, as he's said himself, is that Rules is ALL about reading and reacting under [constant] pressure, a lot of which is very physical [tackling].

Watch a couple, three minutes and you'll see how much distributing, decision-making and drawing defenders goes down Down Under.

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Post#2636 » by GameBredAPBT » Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:14 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
SkyHookFTW wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
Definitely not. The speed, the explosion, the visceral strength, the blinding speed, the elite fast twitch muscle fiber.... LBJ is probably the greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen. Simmons is athletic but he's several tiers below.

A bit of hyperbole there--greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen? He's not even the greatest in NBA history. Let's not go overboard. Simmons is not the athlete LeBron is yet, but LeBron at 21 was not the LeBron of today. Simmons may never get to that point, or he might. We'll just have to wait and see.


I dont think it is— LeBron, in my opinion, is likely be the best athlete in human history. He’s been able to do things no man his size ever should be abld to do.


The guy is so universally disliked people will go to any lengths to make him seem pedestrian or less than his worth.
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Post#2637 » by commentatorer » Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:19 pm

GameBredAPBT wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
SkyHookFTW wrote:A bit of hyperbole there--greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen? He's not even the greatest in NBA history. Let's not go overboard. Simmons is not the athlete LeBron is yet, but LeBron at 21 was not the LeBron of today. Simmons may never get to that point, or he might. We'll just have to wait and see.


I dont think it is— LeBron, in my opinion, is likely be the best athlete in human history. He’s been able to do things no man his size ever should be abld to do.


The guy is so universally disliked people will go to any lengths to make him seem pedestrian or less than his worth.

If LeBron is underrated its because his game is ugly compared to other top 20 all-time players.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2638 » by Madhouse » Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:19 pm

GameBredAPBT wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
Definitely not. The speed, the explosion, the visceral strength, the blinding speed, the elite fast twitch muscle fiber.... LBJ is probably the greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen. Simmons is athletic but he's several tiers below.


several tiers is an exaggeration. simmons is a tier below lebron


I'd say two tiers. Simmons is a phenomenal athlete though.


He is below Lebron but if you watch him he is way more athletic than what the public thinks. And that certainly gets it done. He can blow by defenders, do any moves around the rim he likes
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Post#2639 » by 711takeover » Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:20 pm

GameBredAPBT wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
SkyHookFTW wrote:A bit of hyperbole there--greatest athletic specimen mankind has ever seen? He's not even the greatest in NBA history. Let's not go overboard. Simmons is not the athlete LeBron is yet, but LeBron at 21 was not the LeBron of today. Simmons may never get to that point, or he might. We'll just have to wait and see.


I dont think it is— LeBron, in my opinion, is likely be the best athlete in human history. He’s been able to do things no man his size ever should be abld to do.


The guy is so universally disliked people will go to any lengths to make him seem pedestrian or less than his worth.


That's not the issue. It's just a very bold statement to say he's the best athlete in human history
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2640 » by GameBredAPBT » Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:22 pm

commentatorer wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
I dont think it is— LeBron, in my opinion, is likely be the best athlete in human history. He’s been able to do things no man his size ever should be abld to do.


The guy is so universally disliked people will go to any lengths to make him seem pedestrian or less than his worth.

If LeBron is underrated its because his game is ugly compared to other top 20 all-time players.


I agree his game isn't particularly aesthetically pleasing, but the reason he gets **at on is due to The LeCision & because of his heel persona. 99% of people are dumb marks that eat up whatever narrative is presented to them by various media outlets.

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