WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (Series tied 2-2)

[cpower]

Chuck just said KD is holding the Warriors backcourt back. that's why you gotta leave kiddo. they were terrible before this game you had to carry them. one good 1st quarter and its all "when the ball is moving they are better, KD stops the ball" as if the ball isn't moving and they not bricking. they keep bricking and its somehow your fault.

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

Even if it looked better, by the numbers the Warriors' postseason offense is clearly better since Durant joined though.

2014: 110.2 ORTG (+1.5 rORTG)
2015: 108.7 ORTG (+3.4 rORTG)
2016: 110.5 ORTG (+3.8 rORTG)
(Durant joins)
2017: 119.0 ORTG (+7.7 rORTG)
2018: 113.9 ORTG (+5.0 rORTG)
2019: 119.6 ORTG (+10.2 rORTG)

It's not particularly close. Beauty of the offense aside, it's clearly and unsurprisingly been more effective with a guy who's been averaging 31.1 ppg on 64% TS and 4.6 apg in the postseason for you guys since he joined. And that's one reason why I want Durant to leave. While I think the media and casual sports fans overrate how good Durant is, I don't think Warriors fans give him enough credit.

what about the series vs rockets last year

[NapoleonII]

Is there anything likeable about this GSW team?

[Wolfgang630]

Yeah with Durant’s rise I think that’s also hurt the Warriors a little.

[og15]

The Warriors have been progressively going away from their motion offense as Durant's stature grows and it has lead to a less efficient shotchart. That's why I believe the Rockets are able to hang with the Warriors despite being significantly less talented than the Warriors overall. The Warriors have never been more dangerous than when Curry was focal point of their offense. Curry's just a better player at leading a team to great heights.

Houston heavily committed to having a lot of switching in their defense specifically for the reason of disrupting the Warriors flow on offense and making them have to isolate more, it's not just random. If the Warriors didn't have Durant and had a decent replacement player, they still have the same issues vs Houston, except now they don't have a bailout efficient iso player (outside of Curry)

[Wolfgang630]

Is there anything likeable about this GSW team?

I like their Town jerseys, but that’s about it.

[cpower]

Yeah with Durant’s rise I think that’s also hurt the Warriors a little.

i think its more to do with losing depth. We are simply not as good as before and this is probably the last year for the group. KD will get his chance to showcase his real value.

[og15]

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

Even if it looked better, by the numbers the Warriors' postseason offense is clearly better since Durant joined though.

2014: 110.2 ORTG (+1.5 rORTG)
2015: 108.7 ORTG (+3.4 rORTG)
2016: 110.5 ORTG (+3.8 rORTG)
(Durant joins)
2017: 119.0 ORTG (+7.7 rORTG)
2018: 113.9 ORTG (+5.0 rORTG)
2019: 119.6 ORTG (+10.2 rORTG)

It's not particularly close. Beauty of the offense aside, it's clearly and unsurprisingly been more effective with a guy who's been averaging 31.1 ppg on 64% TS and 4.6 apg in the postseason for you guys since he joined. And that's one reason why I want Durant to leave. While I think the media and casual sports fans overrate how good Durant is, I don't think Warriors fans give him enough credit.

what about the series vs rockets last year

Their Ortg in that series was 114.5

[yoyoboy]

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

Even if it looked better, by the numbers the Warriors' postseason offense is clearly better since Durant joined though.

2014: 110.2 ORTG (+1.5 rORTG)
2015: 108.7 ORTG (+3.4 rORTG)
2016: 110.5 ORTG (+3.8 rORTG)
(Durant joins)
2017: 119.0 ORTG (+7.7 rORTG)
2018: 113.9 ORTG (+5.0 rORTG)
2019: 119.6 ORTG (+10.2 rORTG)

It's not particularly close. Beauty of the offense aside, it's clearly and unsurprisingly been more effective with a guy who's been averaging 31.1 ppg on 64% TS and 4.6 apg in the postseason for you guys since he joined. And that's one reason why I want Durant to leave. While I think the media and casual sports fans overrate how good Durant is, I don't think Warriors fans give him enough credit.

what about the series vs rockets last year

That's included in the stats I just presented to you.

Anyways, Durant averaged 30 per game on 60% TS with less than 3 apg (so subpar for him in the playoffs) and Golden State still posted a 114.5 ORTG against a 106.1 DRTG Rockets team, meaning a +8.3 rORTG. Clearly better offensively as a team than what they were getting in the pre-Durant era.

[Sports Realist]

Rockets have to look at Game 5 as a Game 7. This is the game you need to steal.

ugh, no?

[TinmanZBoy]

Even if it looked better, by the numbers the Warriors' postseason offense is clearly better since Durant joined though.

2014: 110.2 ORTG (+1.5 rORTG)
2015: 108.7 ORTG (+3.4 rORTG)
2016: 110.5 ORTG (+3.8 rORTG)
(Durant joins)
2017: 119.0 ORTG (+7.7 rORTG)
2018: 113.9 ORTG (+5.0 rORTG)
2019: 119.6 ORTG (+10.2 rORTG)

It's not particularly close. Beauty of the offense aside, it's clearly and unsurprisingly been more effective with a guy who's been averaging 31.1 ppg on 64% TS and 4.6 apg in the postseason for you guys since he joined. And that's one reason why I want Durant to leave. While I think the media and casual sports fans overrate how good Durant is, I don't think Warriors fans give him enough credit.

what about the series vs rockets last year

That's included in the stats I just presented to you.

Anyways, Durant averaged 30 per game on 60% TS with less than 3 apg (so subpar for him in the playoffs) and Golden State still posted a 114.5 ORTG against a 106.1 DRTG Rockets team, meaning a +8.3 rORTG. Clearly better offensively as a team than what they were getting in the pre-Durant era.

A couple of blowout wins screwed the number, in their three losses, their offense was really bad... but KD was the least of their problem...

[Wolfgang630]

Rockets have to look at Game 5 as a Game 7. This is the game you need to steal.

ugh, no?

Ugh, yes? Game 5 should be easier to steal than game 7.

[BallerTalk]

..., and _________ still barely managed to hang on and win at home.

Surely you realize this can be said about every...literally EVERY game so far in this series.
Seems clueless to try to make that an indictment of one team against the other in this matchup.

[Strepbacter]

Chuck just said KD is holding the Warriors backcourt back. that's why you gotta leave kiddo. they were terrible before this game you had to carry them. one good 1st quarter and its all "when the ball is moving they are better, KD stops the ball" as if the ball isn't moving and they not bricking. they keep bricking and its somehow your fault.

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

Even if it looked better, by the numbers the Warriors' postseason offense is clearly better since Durant joined though.

2014: 110.2 ORTG (+1.5 rORTG)
2015: 108.7 ORTG (+3.4 rORTG)
2016: 110.5 ORTG (+3.8 rORTG)
(Durant joins)
2017: 119.0 ORTG (+7.7 rORTG)
2018: 113.9 ORTG (+5.0 rORTG)
2019: 119.6 ORTG (+10.2 rORTG)

It's not particularly close. Beauty of the offense aside, it's clearly and unsurprisingly been more effective with a guy who's been averaging 31.1 ppg on 64% TS and 4.6 apg in the postseason for you guys since he joined. And that's one reason why I want Durant to leave. While I think the media and casual sports fans overrate how good Durant is, I don't think Warriors fans give him enough credit.

why are you comparing their ORTG against the playoff average instead of against their opponents? that's not how it done.

[cpower]

what about the series vs rockets last year

That's included in the stats I just presented to you.

Anyways, Durant averaged 30 per game on 60% TS with less than 3 apg (so subpar for him in the playoffs) and Golden State still posted a 114.5 ORTG against a 106.1 DRTG Rockets team, meaning a +8.3 rORTG. Clearly better offensively as a team than what they were getting in the pre-Durant era.

A couple of blowout wins screwed the number, in their three losses, their offense was really bad... but KD was the least of their problem...

never said KD was the problem, but you gotta look for the best offense possible when you can.

[GYK]

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

because Klay and Steph have been worse? really you have two seasons of the old offense with mixed success. the most playoff success is the version pre greatest season of all time steph anyway. but still the most success the team you love ever had is with KD. he is the clear difference maker you have. your most consistent performer. even if you think the best of Curry is better for any run or series game in and out KD gives the most elite level of consistent play. the framing of one ring really skews the perception of what was accomplished because KD brought a dynasty.

i am not saying Curry played good, he was bad this series. But when the offense went through him there was a difference and we came back to beat the rockets last year. Yes KD gives the most consistent PPG out of anyone but he has not been the playmaker and defender he ought to be. Curry is just as equally important, if not more to get the warriors to where they want to be. Do you know the record when we have KD and no Curry for the warriors for the past 3 years?

he was bad last year too. then his 3's finally went in and everyone said it was KD holding him back. same thing but even worse now and all of sudden KD is holding him back. ought to be? your guy is literally being hunted like 15 seasons in the league Melo? while never being the true PG of his team. KD does just as much creating. plays better defense. does the scoring in a game that isn't highest efficiency wins(tho he is efficient allowing for all the touches needed for others to get going).
they lost games when near 30ppg in the regular season was out? shocking. where the Warriors want to be? the guy literally taking them once a defense can gameplan is consistently being disrespected because of non crucial games? realize he's laying like trash and you're blaming the guy keeping your team in the game. but I don't think you'll have to worry about it next season.

[yoyoboy]

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

Even if it looked better, by the numbers the Warriors' postseason offense is clearly better since Durant joined though.

2014: 110.2 ORTG (+1.5 rORTG)
2015: 108.7 ORTG (+3.4 rORTG)
2016: 110.5 ORTG (+3.8 rORTG)
(Durant joins)
2017: 119.0 ORTG (+7.7 rORTG)
2018: 113.9 ORTG (+5.0 rORTG)
2019: 119.6 ORTG (+10.2 rORTG)

It's not particularly close. Beauty of the offense aside, it's clearly and unsurprisingly been more effective with a guy who's been averaging 31.1 ppg on 64% TS and 4.6 apg in the postseason for you guys since he joined. And that's one reason why I want Durant to leave. While I think the media and casual sports fans overrate how good Durant is, I don't think Warriors fans give him enough credit.

why are you comparing their ORTG against the playoff average instead of against their opponents? that's not how it done.

That would be ideal but it takes too much time. Feel free to do that if you want. Considering the sample size of opponents, it should be accurate enough.

[LKN]

2-2 boys and girls.

Don’t complain about fouls, both ways.

Agree, i'm just sick of fans complaining and missing the point that bad calls go both ways all the time in this league. I'm pretty sick of the way the NBA does not hold refs accountable and the way they flip flop between one thing being a foul one day then not being a foul the next is what creates this blame the refs culture that is so toxic right now. Imagine if other big sports during their play offs/finals/important games just arbitrarily have days where they 'let them play' and don't call their sports by the actual rule book. Not talking specifically about today that much but it just annoys me in the NBA right now.

Congrats to the rockets though, if anything i think i want them to win this series this year for a change up.

I completely agree on the second point. I’ve never understood why the whole concept of “let them play” is so acceptable. Why is the NBA the only sport like this? Imagine in the NFL in the playoffs DB’s could take liberties in coverage and Olinemen could get no calls on holds, or in the MLB all of a sudden the strike zone gets larger and ties stopped going to runners. It’s ridiculous but that’s the way it is, and they wonder why the officiating is getting ripped. If it’s a foul in March it’s a foul in May.

However to the first point game 1 was a horribly officiated game, like historically bad, there’s a reason why it got so much flack. its because it was that terrible. Nothing is above criticism and game 1s was well deserved.

Um, that's exactly what happens in football. They let all kinds of penalties go in the playoffs (esp the SB)

[Rednation91]

shoyld be 3-1 rockets if it weren't for the epic rig job in game 1.

could be 3-1 warriors if it weren't for 5-6 blown calls on curry in the 4th today

Did u not see hardens last 2 or 3 shots? Klay gave him no space to land

[LakerLegend]

Rockets have to look at Game 5 as a Game 7. This is the game you need to steal.

ugh, no?

Odds of winning a game 7 in GS are astronomically low.

[mtron32]

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