2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.3)

[Wolfgang630]

I feel like ESPN has been pushing Embiid. A lot of the people who talk on tv push for Embiid. If you look at the ESPN voters who are behind the ground they voted for Jokic.

[AleksandarN]

Mike Wilbon admitting on television that he didn’t have Jokic in his top-3 for MVP Voting is wild and feels borderline racist

Stop it Mike Wilbon is the opposite of racist. Some people use different criteria for their voting doesn’t make them racists. If you have listen to Wilbon throughout the years like I have you will see he is far from racist.

[velkisimo]

I used to like Wilbon. Havent watched him in 10+ years tho. But not to have Joel/Jokic/Giannis as top 3...Sounds like its personal

[Castle Black]

Mike Wilbon admitting on television that he didn’t have Jokic in his top-3 for MVP Voting is wild and feels borderline racist

I'm guessing he voted for Embiid? (he did, just checked)

Recall, in the straw poll, three voters had Jokic fifth.

Now we know who one of those "fifths" likely is.

If you know WIlbon, this isn't a shock IMO. But it's his vote.

Another ESPN vote for Embiid.

Yea his top-3 were:

1. Embiid
2. Booker
3. Giannis

Pretty funny though.

[Wolfgang630]

I think some voters are mad Booker wasn’t pushed hard by the media. They believe in the best player on the best team.

[HotRocks34]

I think some voters are mad Booker wasn’t pushed hard by the media. They believe in the best player on the best team.

The problem was CP3. If there is no CP3 on that team, Booker wins the award by a huge margin.

But, for example, the BBREF MVP tracker has CP3 ahead of Booker:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html

Basically, CP3 blocked Booker's candidacy. No one blocked Jokic's candidacy, Harden wasn't around enough to block Embiid's (though he may have been around enough to sink it), and Giannis is so great that even Middleton and Holiday can't blunt his impact.

[eathb_au]

I feel like ESPN has been pushing Embiid. A lot of the people who talk on tv push for Embiid. If you look at the ESPN voters who are behind the ground they voted for Jokic.

Kind of interesting

Based on the tracker. the 9 ESPN 1st place votes are for the following:

5x Embiid
4x Jokic

[BelgradeNugget]

Funny thing happened on ESPN site. On their league leaders page, the whole year, they listed only qualified players. To qualify player must play at least 70% of his team games - 58 of 82. They changed it at the end of the year.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/defensive/sort/avgSteals/dir/desc

So now instead of Jokic being 6th in ppg he is somehow 10th. He is 8th in FG%, should be 7th. In steals he is now 21st while in reality he is 12th. League leader in steels is Derrick Walton Jr who played 3 games. BSPN

[BelgradeNugget]

Some more statistics for Jokic in 2021-2022 season (not advanced)

TOTALS

5th in points
1st in rebounds
6th in assists
10th in steals

[MrBigShot]

Lmao voters saying say 6th seed shouldn't win MVP, the nuggets have a whopping 3 less wins than the sixers/bucks despite a huge difference in talent with Porter Jr/Murray out.

[B-easy]

Lmao voters saying say 6th seed shouldn't win MVP, the nuggets have a whopping 3 less wins than the sixers/bucks despite a huge difference in talent with Porter Jr/Murray out.

if we lived in a world where jokic was 6th seed put up 50/10/10 but was 0.5 games behind 1 seed they wouldn't give to him lol.

[Wolfgang630]

The 6th seed is valid to me if his MVP competition was way ahead in wins. Giannis and Embiid are not. Booker is ahead though.

[LordCovington33]

Mike Wilbon admitting on television that he didn’t have Jokic in his top-3 for MVP Voting is wild and feels borderline racist

Stop it Mike Wilbon is the opposite of racist. Some people use different criteria for their voting doesn’t make them racists. If you have listen to Wilbon throughout the years like I have you will see he is far from racist.

It feels weird when people pull the race card for almost anything nowadays.

[LordCovington33]

Lmao voters saying say 6th seed shouldn't win MVP, the nuggets have a whopping 3 less wins than the sixers/bucks despite a huge difference in talent with Porter Jr/Murray out.

Too simplistic to just look at wins. Different conferences, and the majority of your games are played with teams inside that conference. Heck, there’s even some disparity within divisions. To win games in the Atlantic division, for example, is a lot harder than the Southeast division comprising of Miami, Orlando, Charlotte, Atlanta and Washington.
That all said, I think Jokic has done enough to claim back-to-back titles. I have no issue with that, as a sixers fan.

[God Squad]

It's going to be Jokic. Relax Joker super fans.

[eathb_au]

+6 to Jokic in the MVP tracker

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[Wolfgang630]

+6 to Jokic in the MVP tracker

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Damn. They all picked Jokic. I thought this would be closer

[spanishninja]

I think some voters are mad Booker wasn’t pushed hard by the media. They believe in the best player on the best team.

The problem was CP3. If there is no CP3 on that team, Booker wins the award by a huge margin.

But, for example, the BBREF MVP tracker has CP3 ahead of Booker:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html

Basically, CP3 blocked Booker's candidacy. No one blocked Jokic's candidacy, Harden wasn't around enough to block Embiid's (though he may have been around enough to sink it), and Giannis is so great that even Middleton and Holiday can't blunt his impact.

i mean that's not really true. if CP3 wasn't on the team, the Suns would not be the best team and it would be irrelevant that Booker's the best on the team.

[NetsJets]

They need to reevaluate how they vote for awards moving forward.

[spanishninja]

They need to reevaluate how they vote for awards moving forward.

no they don't. if there was a single formula for determining MVP, you won't even need votes. just plug the numbers in.