The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[Young gun 6]

It’s beyond doubt now who’s the rookie of the year yeah??

Simmons with 19/12/10/4/1 in 26mins.

[nurseryc]

Fultz is amazing

[Winglish]

I will say this. There’s not a rookie this year I would trade Fultz for. Not Tatum. Not Donavan Mitchell. He has shown enough that he will be up there with the best soon.

The BEST thing about Fultz playing these last few games? We don't have to hear him called a rookie next season. I was really wondering to myself if holding guys out a year was part of the process or what?

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[RB34]

Donovan Mitchell is a great player and a great scorer but Ben Simmons is God.

[nurseryc]

Fultz is going to be the best player coming out of this draft. He’s the complete package

[dkj5061]

I will say this. There’s not a rookie this year I would trade Fultz for. Not Tatum. Not Donavan Mitchell. He has shown enough that he will be up there with the best soon.

The BEST thing about Fultz playing these last few games? We don't have to hear him called a rookie next season. I was really wondering to myself if holding guys out a year was part of the process or what?

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He played the first 4 games of the year anyways so it wouldn't have been a thing

[Sasashi]

Fultz is going to be the best player coming out of this draft. He’s the complete package

Some poster on the sixers board said that coming out of college his big question marks were driving to the basket and defense.

Those 2 aspects have been his STRENGTH so far in the NBA. He is quick, explosive and a crafty finisher. For defense he has good lateral quickness, plastic man length and good verticality for blocks.

His midrange shot is nearly fully recovered and I cant wait until Fultz fully regains all of his shooting touch and range so that he can start burying 3 pt shots. His quickness has really surprised a lot of prople and it will be more beneficial for Fultz when opponents have to really mind his 3 pt shot.




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[Black Mage]

Fultz is going to be the best player coming out of this draft. He’s the complete package

Some poster on the sixers board said that coming out of college his big question marks were driving to the basket and defense.

Those 2 aspects have been his STRENGTH so far in the NBA. He is quick, explosive and a crafty finisher. For defense he has good lateral quickness, plastic man length and good verticality for blocks.

His midrange shot is nearly fully recovered and I cant wait until Fultz fully regains all of his shooting touch and range so that he can start burying 3 pt shots. His quickness has really surprised a lot of prople and it will be more beneficial for Fultz when opponents have to really mind his 3 pt shot.




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There were A LOT of bad takes by a certain few on Fultz. I think they still have Lonzo posters above their beds.

[michaelm]

He just might. Never said he wouldn't. I just am tired of people pretending he isn't a high volume shot taker. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you are efficient at it. DM isn't always consistent in his efficiency but certainly shown enough that he could be with experience.

I am a Simmons fan as you have possibly gathered, my problem is with Nursery c relentlessly hyping Simmons as he has other Australian players in the past, and in regard to ROTY this year tearing down Mitchell. i intended my reply to be to him, and not really to your post. Once Utah start losing games your point will indeed be valid, and his efficiency may well be a problem in the play - offs, although he also has exhibited s tendency to be better in the clutch.

Michael I’m not hyping Simmons, I’m celebrating his success. Get a grip and worry about yourself.

I am also delighted with his success.

I just prefer to see actual Sixers fans, and general NBA fans with no pro-Australian agenda, doing the celebrating, and don't like to see Mitchell, who also gives every appearance of being a great young player, albeit with some faults as is hardly unexpected in pretty much any rookie, denigrated on the basis of an agenda either.

[nyk97]

our second rounder had a nice break out tonight, first knick rookie with 30 and 10 since ewing

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[EmperorLocky]

I am a Simmons fan as you have possibly gathered, my problem is with Nursery c relentlessly hyping Simmons as he has other Australian players in the past, and in regard to ROTY this year tearing down Mitchell. i intended my reply to be to him, and not really to your post. Once Utah start losing games your point will indeed be valid, and his efficiency may well be a problem in the play - offs, although he also has exhibited s tendency to be better in the clutch.

Michael I’m not hyping Simmons, I’m celebrating his success. Get a grip and worry about yourself.

I am also delighted with his success.

I just prefer to see actual Sixers fans, and general NBA fans with no pro-Australian agenda, doing the celebrating, and don't like to see Mitchell, who also gives every appearance of being a great young player, albeit with some faults as is hardly unexpected in pretty much any rookie, denigrated on the basis of an agenda either.

Righto. Global fans do not celebrate your nation's player/s playing in this league that reaches millions across the globe.

I do agree with the general posts that put one down to bring the other up. That goes both ways on the Mitchell/Simmons debate.

[HotelVitale]

Fultz is going to be the best player coming out of this draft. He’s the complete package

Some poster on the sixers board said that coming out of college his big question marks were driving to the basket and defense. Those 2 aspects have been his STRENGTH so far in the NBA. He is quick, explosive and a crafty finisher. For defense he has good lateral quickness, plastic man length and good verticality for blocks. His midrange shot is nearly fully recovered and I cant wait until Fultz fully regains all of his shooting touch and range so that he can start burying 3 pt shots. His quickness has really surprised a lot of prople and it will be more beneficial for Fultz when opponents have to really mind his 3 pt shot.

There were A LOT of bad takes by a certain few on Fultz. I think they still have Lonzo posters above their beds.

It's possible you're referring to me as one of these people so in case that's true I'll just say once again: no one who wasn't just trolling thought Fultz was weak or worthless, the criticism was more that he was overhyped by number watchers and that people who watched him in college could see his shot/form seemed a little less steady than his %s, and that he'd only be a star if he was making tough jumpers. He was clearly one of the best 5 prospects this year and had as good a basic size/skill package as anyone, it was just that he wasn't a can't-miss runaway #1 (and maybe not someone to trade away two top-5 picks to take). He was my #1 overall but it was pretty close, and the top 5 on my list were all fairly equal.

Also, his midrange game isn't close to recovered yet--he was shooting like 8-10 fadeaway 15-20 footers per game and also drilling stepback and side-step 3s like crazy in college. He's only made a handful of jumpers and doesn't look comfortable or quick taking them. I'm hopeful he can find what he had last year but no reason to pretend things are better than they are now.

That said, he was terrific driving tonight and showed awesome defensive effort. Lots of reasons for Sixers fans to feel good.

[antonac]

Fultz is going to be the best player coming out of this draft. He’s the complete package

Fultz is a 3rd option for life though, unless he moves elsewhere.

Taking the ball out of Simmons hands would be the worst move ever, the guy is a generational talent, Embiid is an elite scoring option. Fultz ceiling is a Beal/McCollum guy.

as it stands, Mitchell and Tatum are still gonna get the sneaker deals.

[CoreyGallagher]

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[RB34]

I am a Simmons fan as you have possibly gathered, my problem is with Nursery c relentlessly hyping Simmons as he has other Australian players in the past, and in regard to ROTY this year tearing down Mitchell. i intended my reply to be to him, and not really to your post. Once Utah start losing games your point will indeed be valid, and his efficiency may well be a problem in the play - offs, although he also has exhibited s tendency to be better in the clutch.

Michael I’m not hyping Simmons, I’m celebrating his success. Get a grip and worry about yourself.

I am also delighted with his success.

I just prefer to see actual Sixers fans, and general NBA fans with no pro-Australian agenda, doing the celebrating, and don't like to see Mitchell, who also gives every appearance of being a great young player, albeit with some faults as is hardly unexpected in pretty much any rookie, denigrated on the basis of an agenda either.

What about non Utah supporting Donovan Mitchell fans? Do they have some sort of pro-American agenda?. NBA fans in general support a lot of players that don’t necessarily play for their team, what a garbage post.

[Unbreakable99]

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[nurseryc]

I am a Simmons fan as you have possibly gathered, my problem is with Nursery c relentlessly hyping Simmons as he has other Australian players in the past, and in regard to ROTY this year tearing down Mitchell. i intended my reply to be to him, and not really to your post. Once Utah start losing games your point will indeed be valid, and his efficiency may well be a problem in the play - offs, although he also has exhibited s tendency to be better in the clutch.

Michael I’m not hyping Simmons, I’m celebrating his success. Get a grip and worry about yourself.

I am also delighted with his success.

I just prefer to see actual Sixers fans, and general NBA fans with no pro-Australian agenda, doing the celebrating, and don't like to see Mitchell, who also gives every appearance of being a great young player, albeit with some faults as is hardly unexpected in pretty much any rookie, denigrated on the basis of an agenda either.

Cool story. I couldn’t give a crap what you prefer.

[bebopdeluxe]

I am a Simmons fan as you have possibly gathered, my problem is with Nursery c relentlessly hyping Simmons as he has other Australian players in the past, and in regard to ROTY this year tearing down Mitchell. i intended my reply to be to him, and not really to your post. Once Utah start losing games your point will indeed be valid, and his efficiency may well be a problem in the play - offs, although he also has exhibited s tendency to be better in the clutch.

Michael I’m not hyping Simmons, I’m celebrating his success. Get a grip and worry about yourself.

I am also delighted with his success.

I just prefer to see actual Sixers fans, and general NBA fans with no pro-Australian agenda, doing the celebrating, and don't like to see Mitchell, who also gives every appearance of being a great young player, albeit with some faults as is hardly unexpected in pretty much any rookie, denigrated on the basis of an agenda either.

IT IS NOT DENIGRATING MITCHELL TO SAY THAT SIMMONS IS BETTER

[michaelm]

Michael I’m not hyping Simmons, I’m celebrating his success. Get a grip and worry about yourself.

I am also delighted with his success.

I just prefer to see actual Sixers fans, and general NBA fans with no pro-Australian agenda, doing the celebrating, and don't like to see Mitchell, who also gives every appearance of being a great young player, albeit with some faults as is hardly unexpected in pretty much any rookie, denigrated on the basis of an agenda either.

IT IS NOT DENIGRATING MITCHELL TO SAY THAT SIMMONS IS BETTER

Just to be clear, I think it would require being both visually impaired and innumerate to judge Mitchell Simmons’ superior this year, and I have personally posted on a number of occasions that Simmons has qualified to be eligible for the ROTY award by having not played any NBA games before this year, which seems to be hard for some of his detractors to grasp. The debate about ROTY seems to have rather died down during the recent run of success for the Sixers and Simmons anyway.

From my very much pro - Simmons perspective there have been a lot more posters calling Mitchell a chucker than there have been posters decrying Simmons’ apparent lack of a jump shot. FWIW my contention is that Simmons doesn’t rather than can’t shoot, and will add it to his game when he has mastered other aspects of his game, in regard to which he would appear to be making rather good progress, and is confident that it is a high percentage play for him to attempt jump shots.

I read the Jazz board because of an interest in Exum and Ingles, but don’t post on that board, and actual Jazz fans on there have concerns about Mitchell’s efficiency.

At the moment whatever Simmons and Mitchell are doing is working for their teams, so the play of both players speaks for itself imo. Again imo I think Ben not taking jump shots is likely to be less problematic than Mitchell’s inefficiency come the play - offs, but we will be able to watch the play - offs soon and see for ourselves. I also like the idea, fantasy or not, that Simmons will suddenly dust off a longer range jump shot at a crucial juncture in a play - off game.

[the_process]

The ROY debate is officially over after tonight.