Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet

[SaintofKillers]

Morey on the radio this morning: "The reality is, to win a title, you have to be the team who finds Chandler Parsons... not the team that pays Chandler Parsons a max contract..." Shots fired lol.

Yup, just like James Harden.

[gmoney411]

A few things that are being missed in this thread

1. The Rockets got an $8.3MM trade exception for the Lin trade and got what will likely be a lottery pick from NO in the Asik deal. At some point they will use one or both of those to get a good rotation player.

2. Asik and Lin weren't huge contributors for the Rockets last year. Asik only played in half of the games and sulked for half of those games. Lin was an inconsistent bench player whose production can easily be replaced.

3. Ariza is a better fit for the team than Parsons. You need a good perimeter defender next to Harden and Ariza is that. All he will be asked to do is defend and shoot open 3s.

4. The Rockets will only lose Parsons from their starting lineup and the chemistry between the other 4 will likely only get better. Last year was the first year 2 of those players had ever started and not a single one of those players had started a full season with anybody else in the lineup.

If the Rockets can add a rotation player or two and/or get production out of a young guy like Canaan, Nick Johnson, or Daniels they will be a better team. This offseason has not been a success but the Rockets are a sure fire 50 win playoff team next year.

The New Orleans Lottery Pick may not be a lottery pick when Davis / Asik make the playoffs and Houston doesn't

The Rockets can trade the pick before that is even decided? And what about the rest of my points? I get that you are a Dallas fan and you are probably having fun bashing the Rockets after Morey's blunders but you are crazy if you think they aren't a playoff team. Chandler is a better player than Ariza but he is not a better fit for the Rockets than Ariza. The Rockets upgraded their starting 5 with him unless his 3 point shooting drops off significantly. What Asik and Lin gave the Rockets last year during the regular season is easily replaceable. Unless Harden and/or Howard miss a lot of time the Rockets are skating to 50 wins with those two.

[HotrodBeaubois]

Lot of good it does finding a Chandler Parsons if you don't give Chandler Parsons the Max contract to keep him

[HotrodBeaubois]

I mean I don't think its likely they will break 55 wins but I think 100/1 is a great bet.

Yea 100-1 is a great long shot bet but not winnable ... But I do think I will go lay $100 on my Mavs at 33-1

To win it all? That's not bad imo. Chandler could make you guys legitimate threats again.

Yea I think the Chandlers have put us back into legitimate contention

[gmoney411]

Lot of good it does finding a Chandler Parsons if you don't give Chandler Parsons the Max contract to keep him

Lot of good it does to let him walk for nothing is a better statement. Chandler at $15MM is a huge overpay. He is worth nowhere near that much.

[bigben998]

Yea 100-1 is a great long shot bet but not winnable ... But I do think I will go lay $100 on my Mavs at 33-1

To win it all? That's not bad imo. Chandler could make you guys legitimate threats again.

Yea I think the Chandlers have put us back into legitimate contention

Chandler is a very good player but I really don't get the amount of love that he is getting. He is an upgrade but he is not going to make the Mavs contenders or anything just like he didn't make the Rockets contenders. I have watched every single game that he has played as a Rocket. Up until free agency, he was talked about as not being good enough to be the 3rd star on the Rockets. I think people are getting their hopes up a little too much. Way too much money for him. I guess that is what had to be done though. I will say that he is a good team player and is a good locker room guy. He did have an issue with going cold for many games in a row and he has back issues that get to him every once in a while. I wish him the best and I am happy he got paid though. Dallas ladies will love him. I am sad that Houston lost him but no way should he be making $15 mil a year.

[gmoney411]

To win it all? That's not bad imo. Chandler could make you guys legitimate threats again.

Yea I think the Chandlers have put us back into legitimate contention

Chandler is a very good player but I really don't get the amount of love that he is getting. He is an upgrade but he is not going to make the Mavs contenders or anything just like he didn't make the Rockets contenders. I have watched every single game that he has played as a Rocket. Up until free agency, he was talked about as not being good enough to be the 3rd star on the Rockets. I think people are getting their hopes up a little too much. Way too much money for him. I guess that is what had to be done though. I will say that he is a good team player and is a good locker room guy. He did have an issue with going cold for many games in a row and he has back issues that get to him every once in a while. I wish him the best and I am happy he got paid though. Dallas ladies will love him. I am sad that Houston lost him but no way should he be making $15 mil a year.

People have lost perspective. Chandler probably isn't a better player than guys like Deng, Batum, and Hayward. He's a solid rotation player but he isn't carrying you anywhere unless his game takes huge leaps forward and that rarely happens for a four year college player in his fourth year in the league. You don't pay $15MM for a guy that isn't great on either side of the ball.

[Optimus_Steel]

I dont get how so many people are blowing up about teams overpaying free agents yet when Morey lets someone walk who he felt wasnt worth the contract every calls him a fail? Houston wants to win now, Ariza is only a very slight downgrade to Parsons that won't cost you games.

That's not the point. Most people agree is more than they would be willing to pay. Morey's unforced blunder was declining the 1 year option left on Parsons contract. The option would kept him around for another year at a miniscule salary. He felt that since he would be a restricted FA that he would be able to resign him cheap and he miscalculated terribly.

[HotrodBeaubois]

A few things that are being missed in this thread

1. The Rockets got an $8.3MM trade exception for the Lin trade and got what will likely be a lottery pick from NO in the Asik deal. At some point they will use one or both of those to get a good rotation player.

2. Asik and Lin weren't huge contributors for the Rockets last year. Asik only played in half of the games and sulked for half of those games. Lin was an inconsistent bench player whose production can easily be replaced.

3. Ariza is a better fit for the team than Parsons. You need a good perimeter defender next to Harden and Ariza is that. All he will be asked to do is defend and shoot open 3s.

4. The Rockets will only lose Parsons from their starting lineup and the chemistry between the other 4 will likely only get better. Last year was the first year 2 of those players had ever started and not a single one of those players had started a full season with anybody else in the lineup.

If the Rockets can add a rotation player or two and/or get production out of a young guy like Canaan, Nick Johnson, or Daniels they will be a better team. This offseason has not been a success but the Rockets are a sure fire 50 win playoff team next year.

The New Orleans Lottery Pick may not be a lottery pick when Davis / Asik make the playoffs and Houston doesn't

The Rockets can trade the pick before that is even decided? And what about the rest of my points? I get that you are a Dallas fan and you are probably having fun bashing the Rockets after Morey's blunders but you are crazy if you think they aren't a playoff team. Chandler is a better player than Ariza but he is not a better fit for the Rockets than Ariza. The Rockets upgraded their starting 5 with him unless his 3 point shooting drops off significantly. What Asik and Lin gave the Rockets last year during the regular season is easily replaceable. Unless Harden and/or Howard miss a lot of time the Rockets are skating to 50 wins with those two.

Sure the Rockets can trade that pick now .... But maybe GM's also give the Pelicans a chance


Davis missed 15 games
Anderson 60 games
Gordon 18 games
Evans 10 games
Holiday 48 games


If all or most of those guys have at least a semi healthy year then the Pelicans will be better . Plus they added Asik a legit starting Center that just a year ago started 82 games 10.1 PPG 11.7 RPG and a great defender he should help quite a bit . So they pick could take a turn for the worse pretty quick .


As for your other points


Lin' s trade exception -- does it even get used or does Morey keep his powder dry for his next Superstar Pipe dream ?


Asik missed some time but he still put up solid minutes at backup C ..Who is Houston's backup Center now ? and he also was pretty solid in 19 Starts 9 PPG 11 RPG in less than 30 MPG


Not buying that Lin didn't help your team ... Who is replacing Lin ? Daniels


I actually like Ariza and wanted all year for Dallas , And got told by everyone that he is a contract whore and that his stats are inflated because of Wall . I actually thought he could sustain his 3P% in Dallas with Ellis driving and passing to Ariza ... Maybe he does well with Harden maybe not .. Like I said I wanted him up to the point that I found out Dallas bid on Parsons ... And Parsons is a lot better talent than Ariza and has tons more upside at only 26 . In Dallas we will see just how good Parsons can be after he is properly coached and becomes much more apart of the offense ... Either way Houston downgraded big time from Parsons


All in all Houston MAY make the playoffs but it wont be no 4-7 seed they will fighting to the bitter end for that last playoff spot just like Dallas was last year ... Problem is all the bad teams last year all the tanking teams all got better and have no reason to tank this year .. To top it all off Houston let 2 of their Top 6 or 7 players go to teams in their own division ...You better hope Howard / Harden stay healthy and can play 82 games this year because any games missed by those 2 are guaranteed losses

[HotrodBeaubois]

Lot of good it does finding a Chandler Parsons if you don't give Chandler Parsons the Max contract to keep him

Lot of good it does to let him walk for nothing is a better statement. Chandler at $15MM is a huge overpay. He is worth nowhere near that much.

Sure its a overpay ...But not really by Dallas considering the salary structures of their other players ..At the end of the day Morey matches without the trade kicker and Player option .. Had those been left out Morey matches because Parsons would still be tradable and at the end of the day its all about what he can trade

[HotrodBeaubois]

Yea I think the Chandlers have put us back into legitimate contention

Chandler is a very good player but I really don't get the amount of love that he is getting. He is an upgrade but he is not going to make the Mavs contenders or anything just like he didn't make the Rockets contenders. I have watched every single game that he has played as a Rocket. Up until free agency, he was talked about as not being good enough to be the 3rd star on the Rockets. I think people are getting their hopes up a little too much. Way too much money for him. I guess that is what had to be done though. I will say that he is a good team player and is a good locker room guy. He did have an issue with going cold for many games in a row and he has back issues that get to him every once in a while. I wish him the best and I am happy he got paid though. Dallas ladies will love him. I am sad that Houston lost him but no way should he be making $15 mil a year.

People have lost perspective. Chandler probably isn't a better player than guys like Deng, Batum, and Hayward. He's a solid rotation player but he isn't carrying you anywhere unless his game takes huge leaps forward and that rarely happens for a four year college player in his fourth year in the league. You don't pay $15MM for a guy that isn't great on either side of the ball.

Dallas isn't asking Parsons to carry them anywhere . They are asking Dirk / Parsons / Ellis / Chandler too and I think he fits right in . And he has tons of untapped potential that couldn't be realized playing with Harden and NO COACH

[East Bay Sports]

Morey is an idiot, though he did get **** on by Bosh a bit. I never understood why they would not pick up Parsons' option.. now they suddenly want to try and deal for Rondo or Love, when Parsons on a $900,000 contract would have been their best asset by a mile.

lol, good going Morey.

[gmoney411]

The New Orleans Lottery Pick may not be a lottery pick when Davis / Asik make the playoffs and Houston doesn't

The Rockets can trade the pick before that is even decided? And what about the rest of my points? I get that you are a Dallas fan and you are probably having fun bashing the Rockets after Morey's blunders but you are crazy if you think they aren't a playoff team. Chandler is a better player than Ariza but he is not a better fit for the Rockets than Ariza. The Rockets upgraded their starting 5 with him unless his 3 point shooting drops off significantly. What Asik and Lin gave the Rockets last year during the regular season is easily replaceable. Unless Harden and/or Howard miss a lot of time the Rockets are skating to 50 wins with those two.

Sure the Rockets can trade that pick now .... But maybe GM's also give the Pelicans a chance


Davis missed 15 games
Anderson 60 games
Gordon 18 games
Evans 10 games
Holiday 48 games


If all or most of those guys have at least a semi healthy year then the Pelicans will be better . Plus they added Asik a legit starting Center that just a year ago started 82 games 10.1 PPG 11.7 RPG and a great defender he should help quite a bit . So they pick could take a turn for the worse pretty quick .


As for your other points


Lin' s trade exception -- does it even get used or does Morey keep his powder dry for his next Superstar Pipe dream ?


Asik missed some time but he still put up solid minutes at backup C ..Who is Houston's backup Center now ? and he also was pretty solid in 19 Starts 9 PPG 11 RPG in less than 30 MPG


Not buying that Lin didn't help your team ... Who is replacing Lin ? Daniels


I actually like Ariza and wanted all year for Dallas , And got told by everyone that he is a contract whore and that his stats are inflated because of Wall . I actually thought he could sustain his 3P% in Dallas with Ellis driving and passing to Ariza ... Maybe he does well with Harden maybe not .. Like I said I wanted him up to the point that I found out Dallas bid on Parsons ... And Parsons is a lot better talent than Ariza and has tons more upside at only 26 . In Dallas we will see just how good Parsons can be after he is properly coached and becomes much more apart of the offense ... Either way Houston downgraded big time from Parsons


All in all Houston MAY make the playoffs but it wont be no 4-7 seed they will fighting to the bitter end for that last playoff spot just like Dallas was last year ... Problem is all the bad teams last year all the tanking teams all got better and have no reason to tank this year .. To top it all off Houston let 2 of their Top 6 or 7 players go to teams in their own division ...You better hope Howard / Harden stay healthy and can play 82 games this year because any games missed by those 2 are guaranteed losses

You are forgetting that the NBA is a superstar league. Talk all you want about how Harden's game doesn't work in the playoffs but it for damn sure works in the regular season. Harden and Howard are going to get you 50 wins because on most the Rockets are going to have the best two players on the court.

Ariza is not a big downgrade for the Rockets. The Rockets got absolutely blasted by good/elite wing players last year because Harden and Parsons aren't good defenders. Ariza gives the Rockets what they missed most last year and they don't lose anything with floor spacing. In no way am I saying that Ariza is better than Chandler but he is a better fit for the Rockets who lack defense and not offense.

If the Rockets don't bring on another big to replace Asik I agree that they might be in trouble. But if they can find a serviceable big man like a Chuck Hayes that can defend they will be just fine. Asik was not very interested in playing for the Rockets last year and didn't contribute very much. I don't feel like looking it up but I'd be willing to get that the Rockets had a similar winning percentage with and without Asik.

Lin contributed but not a lot. A combination of Canaan, Nick Young, Daniels and/or a signing of Jameer Nelson or a similar caliber player can easily fill the void that he leaves. Lin might have been the biggest plus/minus player in a bad way on the Rockets last year.

The Rockets will be a top 5 seed this year.

[blackhawk2076]

Looking at the first two pages of the General Board. I see that the 3 players who's thread have the most views are Love, Parsons and Lin.....interestingggggggggggggggg

[gmoney411]

Chandler is a very good player but I really don't get the amount of love that he is getting. He is an upgrade but he is not going to make the Mavs contenders or anything just like he didn't make the Rockets contenders. I have watched every single game that he has played as a Rocket. Up until free agency, he was talked about as not being good enough to be the 3rd star on the Rockets. I think people are getting their hopes up a little too much. Way too much money for him. I guess that is what had to be done though. I will say that he is a good team player and is a good locker room guy. He did have an issue with going cold for many games in a row and he has back issues that get to him every once in a while. I wish him the best and I am happy he got paid though. Dallas ladies will love him. I am sad that Houston lost him but no way should he be making $15 mil a year.

People have lost perspective. Chandler probably isn't a better player than guys like Deng, Batum, and Hayward. He's a solid rotation player but he isn't carrying you anywhere unless his game takes huge leaps forward and that rarely happens for a four year college player in his fourth year in the league. You don't pay $15MM for a guy that isn't great on either side of the ball.

Dallas isn't asking Parsons to carry them anywhere . They are asking Dirk / Parsons / Ellis / Chandler too and I think he fits right in . And he has tons of untapped potential that couldn't be realized playing with Harden and NO COACH

Harden made Chandler a better player. Harden was the best distributor on the Rockets last year and led all two guards with over 6 assists a game. Maybe McHale was holding Chandler back defensively but Chandler benefited from playing in the Rockets fast tempo offense. Chandler won't be getting much better looks in Dallas than he did in Houston. A ton of untapped potential for a four year college player in his fourth year in the league is doubtful. It's possible but history says that Chandler is likely to stay close to the player he already is.

[Zubby]

What? Suddenly Daniels is our closer now after just one lucky 3 pointer in the playoffs?

The guy is a perennial D-leaguer.

Rockets took way too many 3 pointers last year for a team with just average shooters, you should know that.
Daniels will help that, and so should Ariza(if he keeps up form), they are both better than any of the shooters we had last year.

Still have Howard, Harden & Jones(all top 5 players) from last year... Asik barely played was hurt than took forever to get into game shape. Nick Johnson looks like the real deal, maybe able to step in right away and Daniels should get signed back who will be like a completely new signing.

Am I missing something on Johnson ? 14.2 PPG 4.5 APG .430 FG% .234 3P% SUMMER LEAGUE surely Houston hopes aren't completely on his shoulders ..

You're right, according to some people anybody is better than Lin right? And Daniels only plays a handful of games to shoot spot up 3 pointers (like Novak which you had one time), there's no way he can become the playmaker for the Rockets let alone Beverley so we've got no quality PGs on our team.

Baki get over it seriously I said nothing about LIn.

I mention Johnson not for his offense. I can't tell you how many times last year Parsons had to cover CP3, DWill. Now we have 2 great perimeter defenders in Bev/Ariza & Johnson should be a very good defender this year.

[HotrodBeaubois]

To win it all? That's not bad imo. Chandler could make you guys legitimate threats again.

Yea I think the Chandlers have put us back into legitimate contention

Chandler is a very good player but I really don't get the amount of love that he is getting. He is an upgrade but he is not going to make the Mavs contenders or anything just like he didn't make the Rockets contenders. I have watched every single game that he has played as a Rocket. Up until free agency, he was talked about as not being good enough to be the 3rd star on the Rockets. I think people are getting their hopes up a little too much. Way too much money for him. I guess that is what had to be done though. I will say that he is a good team player and is a good locker room guy. He did have an issue with going cold for many games in a row and he has back issues that get to him every once in a while. I wish him the best and I am happy he got paid though. Dallas ladies will love him. I am sad that Houston lost him but no way should he be making $15 mil a year.

Let me get this straight I said THE CHANDLERS plural meaning Chandler Parsons + Tyson Chandler with Ellis / Dirk puts Dallas back into contention ..Don't get me wrong Dallas still has a little work to do like possibly upgrading Felton and maybe Wright .. But Dallas is right there and if they stay healthy will be making some serious noise in the playoffs .. Dallas is much better now than they were 2 months ago .

[HotrodBeaubois]

People have lost perspective. Chandler probably isn't a better player than guys like Deng, Batum, and Hayward. He's a solid rotation player but he isn't carrying you anywhere unless his game takes huge leaps forward and that rarely happens for a four year college player in his fourth year in the league. You don't pay $15MM for a guy that isn't great on either side of the ball.

Dallas isn't asking Parsons to carry them anywhere . They are asking Dirk / Parsons / Ellis / Chandler too and I think he fits right in . And he has tons of untapped potential that couldn't be realized playing with Harden and NO COACH

Harden made Chandler a better player. Harden was the best distributor on the Rockets last year and led all two guards with over 6 assists a game. Maybe McHale was holding Chandler back defensively but Chandler benefited from playing in the Rockets fast tempo offense. Chandler won't be getting much better looks in Dallas than he did in Houston. A ton of untapped potential for a four year college player in his fourth year in the league is doubtful. It's possible but history says that Chandler is likely to stay close to the player he already is.

You don't think Ellis can make Parsons that same player .Ellis was the best distributor on the Mavs last year and was 2nd only to Harden Ellis actually Per 48 Min trailed Harden by 0.2 Per 48 Min while also turning it over less . Not to mention those Assist probably go up quite a bit when Ellis has Parsons .470 FG% .370 3P% to pass to instead of Marion .482 FG% .358 3P% ( don't let the higher FG% fool you because most of those were un assisted put backs probably from missing his own awkward shot ) Not to mention Parsons will also be playing with the best Stretch 4 in the game Dirk who draws tons of attention so Parsons will be getting wide open looks all game long

[HotrodBeaubois]

What? Suddenly Daniels is our closer now after just one lucky 3 pointer in the playoffs?

The guy is a perennial D-leaguer.

Rockets took way too many 3 pointers last year for a team with just average shooters, you should know that.
Daniels will help that, and so should Ariza(if he keeps up form), they are both better than any of the shooters we had last year.

Am I missing something on Johnson ? 14.2 PPG 4.5 APG .430 FG% .234 3P% SUMMER LEAGUE surely Houston hopes aren't completely on his shoulders ..

You're right, according to some people anybody is better than Lin right? And Daniels only plays a handful of games to shoot spot up 3 pointers (like Novak which you had one time), there's no way he can become the playmaker for the Rockets let alone Beverley so we've got no quality PGs on our team.

Baki get over it seriously I said nothing about LIn.

I mention Johnson not for his offense. I can't tell you how many times last year Parsons had to cover CP3, DWill. Now we have 2 great perimeter defenders in Bev/Ariza & Johnson should be a very good defender this year.

So Johnson is being haled already as a premiere lockdown defender based off of what 8 summer league games ? Dallas Bernard James looks like the second coming of Dwight Howard in his Summer League / Dleague games

[Zubby]

What? Suddenly Daniels is our closer now after just one lucky 3 pointer in the playoffs?

The guy is a perennial D-leaguer.

Rockets took way too many 3 pointers last year for a team with just average shooters, you should know that.
Daniels will help that, and so should Ariza(if he keeps up form), they are both better than any of the shooters we had last year.

You're right, according to some people anybody is better than Lin right? And Daniels only plays a handful of games to shoot spot up 3 pointers (like Novak which you had one time), there's no way he can become the playmaker for the Rockets let alone Beverley so we've got no quality PGs on our team.

Baki get over it seriously I said nothing about LIn.

I mention Johnson not for his offense. I can't tell you how many times last year Parsons had to cover CP3, DWill. Now we have 2 great perimeter defenders in Bev/Ariza & Johnson should be a very good defender this year.

So Johnson is being haled already as a premiere lockdown defender based off of what 8 summer league games ? Dallas Bernard James looks like the second coming of Dwight Howard in his Summer League / Dleague games

Damn did I write "premier lockdown defender", could of sworn I wrote very good defender... you know because guys with some size(pg) who are crazy athletic , with a great motor usually are. smh