Lattimer wrote:fahqu2011 wrote:nfmos wrote:
See, here is how people manufacture villains I guess. First off, Curry doesnt dance any more than players like Westbrook, Lebron, or Shaq or many other players today. And yes Draymonds interview was disrespectful, he was playing around but Im sure the Warriors cringed when they heard him say that. But the context was that he was drunk and that was an behind the scenes interview with a local reporter as the players arrived backstage from the parade route, I was there and they were showing the interviews on a big screen in front of hundreds of thousands of people.
And Klays comment? Surely you completely missed that was a joke and dig at his father who was part of the Showtime Lakers. You completely missed the fact that the rest of the press corps laughed because they got the joke.
And honestly, I think us being put on a pedestal by the media based on our record is the main reason so many people think that is that it is easier to paint our team as the villain instead of realizing that we have some high character low key guys here, besides Draymond, but even he is of high character. There is the backlash about us being too good, and "destroying" parity, so people try to paint our guys as jerks, even though there is very little evidence to that. Having being a fan through all the crappy years, when everyone loved us because we were entertaining but not threatening, i guess I would much rather be hated but feared, than loved and being an afterthought.
First off, good morning (I'm going to assume you're West Coast, too, considering you were up so late? That and you're Warriors fan)
1. I don't particular have a taste for Westbrook, Lebron, or Shaq. Westbrook I think is brash as well, Lebron is a drama queen, and Shaq is just a knucklehead. That said, it doesn't mean if I was picking a team I wouldn't take them either. Just like my Laimbeer comment previously. Hate the guy as an opponent, love him if he's on your team. My statement about the Warriors being cocky isn't to say they're the only ones. I simply said they were more likable in the past and that they're cockiness makes less palatable these days. There are a lot of players in the NBA I can't stomach. And then there are some others hate I happen to maybe not like, but can respect their game. I'm not even saying I don't like the Warriors. In fact, my uncle has season tickets for GS 4 rows from the floor.
2. Klay comments. Admittedly, I'll take the L on that comment. I was wrong on that one.
3. I don't find GS to be villains per se, they're (some of the players, family members, and Lacob) just getting to the point they're annoying. As I've mentioned several times over the past few days, I have zero issues with how Warriors as a front office are going about their business. They're doing an amazing job drafting, hiring, and accumulating talent. Where you possible feel like your team is attacked is when "discussion" are brought up about KD. I don't think people have an issue with GS, they're more than likely flaming KD for taking the absolute easiest path of resistance and it's perpetuated when your fan base says otherwise. Let's be honest, almost everyone wants to be in the GSW's shoes. But don't confuse with that envy or hatred. More so an appreciation for the position your team is in.
In regard to parity, it's not the GSW's responsibility to maintain balance in the league and no one should comment on the Warrior's posturing. They're doing their job to provide the best on the floor product and win championships. It's the other GMs in the league responsibility to do the same. I have zero issues with how y'all and managing that end of the spectrum.
I can give you an overall honest perspective on why a healthy amount of people have issues with your team/people in these forums/threads.
1. Entitled/cocky and Warriors fans dismiss it as the media painting them to be bad guys. Look, they're winning, it happens, but it doesn't mean they're not doing it nor does that exclude other teams from the same type of behavior. I'm also not dismissing you don't have good guys on your team either. It was a general statement, that a lot of people agree with about how they carry themselves.
2. Making excuses for KD not being a ring chaser. Dude is a ring chaser. As was Lebron.
This isn't an all out assault on the Warriors. Are they my favorite team? No, but I don't happen to appreciate them. As I said, y'all backcourt is probably the best shooting duo I've ever witnessed and y'all play an exciting brand of basketball.
In terms of weathering the storm as a fan. I've been a Magic fan since their inception in 1989 and I've never seen them ever win a Championship. I know what it's like to not to win, yet still remain a fan. Unfortunately, bandwagoners also come with winning, too. I'm sure a healthy majority of your "fans" never even took interest until they started winning. And that's true for a lot of teams in a similar situation.
Yes KD is a ring chaser...so is every other winner ever. I wouldn't want a non-ring chaser on my team. I want a guy who wants to win it. Shaq "chased rings" and it was the right move. Barkley ring-chased forever and to this day has to deal with the fact that he didn't ever get one. He gets clowned for it (yes it's mostly playful, but I know it eats at him). So I can't ever fault a guy for "chasing a ring." Good on em. It's the right move.
So, in the recent past, Jordan, Bird, and Johnson were ring chasers? When did Shaq chase a ring? His ego chased a paycheck and the dreams of being star in Hollywood. You do realize that the Lakers had a fire sale to make room for Shaq and they really had no semblance of a team really even before then? Kobe Bryant was a snot nosed unproven rookie that was traded for on Draft Night. And the Miami move he was traded for.
Additionally, Barkley was traded to the Suns and Houston and never signed a FA offer sheet to move teams. There are very stark contrast between KD's situation. He WAS the team and left for a record breaking 73-9 to nearly guarantee some title hardware.
I think at the crux of this discussion we agree that KD is ring chaser. But regarding your example(s) of a ring chaser I cannot.
