Sixers and Celtics in serious talks about potential trade involving #1 pick

Repeat 3-peat · Post #281 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:09 am

Until Woj, Lowe, or someone from the Chicago media reports that Butler is indeed in these trade talks, I'll believe it.

Throwing Butler's name in these draft trade rumors are easy.

I'll just say, If Butler is traded, it won't be cheap. #3, both Nets, & LA 2018 pick. (The Okafor interest is overblown, and he doesn't bring much value. I would trade Jerian Grant for him)

Aventador · Post #282 » by **Aventador** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:09 am

Bryan C I think it's time for bed. daddy C will take it from here

Curmudgeon · Post #283 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:10 am

You're delusional. If that's your asking price for Butler, he won't be traded. Good luck with the Bulls rebuild.

BeatDaCavs420 · Post #284 » by **BeatDaCavs420** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:13 am

sixers238 wrote:
Braindesign wrote:
sixers238 wrote:Posted this on the sixers board. Fair?

BOS out: #1, BKN 2018 1st, Smart or Bradley
BOS in: Butler

CHI out: Butler
CHI in: #3 (Jackson), BKN 2018 1st, LAL 2018 1st, Okafor

PHI out: #3, LAL 2018 1st, Okafor
PHI in: #1 (Fultz), Smart or Bradley

There is zero chance Boston does that deal for Jimmy Butler.

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It's either that or BOS wastes the primes of IT/Crowder/Horford. Unfortunately, Josh Jackson + Hayward (if he signs) are not going to put BOS over CLE. One game in that series was close. One.

Its like Boston wants everything and everyone without giving up anything and that's some BS

Kaykoose · Post #285 » by **Kaykoose** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:13 am

G Buckets wrote:Until Woj, Lowe, or someone from the Chicago media reports that Butler is indeed in these trade talks, I'll believe it.

Throwing Butler's name in these draft trade rumors are easy.

I'll just say, If Butler is traded, it won't be cheap. #3, both Nets, & LA 2018 pick. (The Okafor interest is overblown, and he doesn't bring much value. I would trade Jerian Grant for him)

Butler isn't anywhere near worth that.

Braindesign · Post #286 » by **Braindesign** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:14 am

sixers238 wrote:
Braindesign wrote:
sixers238 wrote:Posted this on the sixers board. Fair?

BOS out: #1, BKN 2018 1st, Smart or Bradley
BOS in: Butler

CHI out: Butler
CHI in: #3 (Jackson), BKN 2018 1st, LAL 2018 1st, Okafor

PHI out: #3, LAL 2018 1st, Okafor
PHI in: #1 (Fultz), Smart or Bradley

There is zero chance Boston does that deal for Jimmy Butler.

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It's either that or BOS wastes the primes of IT/Crowder/Horford. Unfortunately, Josh Jackson + Hayward (if he signs) are not going to put BOS over CLE. One game in that series was close. One.

Jimmy Butler doesn't put the Celtics over Cleveland either. Probably not even if they add Hayward either.

They are not mortgaging their future to win maybe 2 games in a conference finals next year by adding Butler.

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Repeat 3-peat · Post #287 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:14 am

Curmudgeon wrote:You're delusional. If that's your asking price for Butler, he won't be traded. Good luck with the Bulls rebuild.

Unless Chicago just wants to blow it up(which is always possible, Chicago has clowns for a front office, they don't have any direction), that will be the price. In other words Butler isn't getting traded.

It's called re-tooling. Rebuilding is starting from scratch.

Braindesign · Post #288 » by **Braindesign** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:18 am

BeatDaCavs420 wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
Braindesign wrote:There is zero chance Boston does that deal for Jimmy Butler.

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It's either that or BOS wastes the primes of IT/Crowder/Horford. Unfortunately, Josh Jackson + Hayward (if he signs) are not going to put BOS over CLE. One game in that series was close. One.

Its like Boston wants everything and everyone without giving up anything and that's some BS

No

We realize that it's likely 2-4 years before there's a shot at beating the Cavs or Warriors. At that point, Butler is well past his prime.

I'd rather see what they can do with Fultz and a likely top three pick next year and pair those guys with Brown. Then you've got a potentially great three player core all younger than 24.

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ProcessDoctor · Post #289 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:19 am

Braindesign wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
Braindesign wrote:There is zero chance Boston does that deal for Jimmy Butler.

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It's either that or BOS wastes the primes of IT/Crowder/Horford. Unfortunately, Josh Jackson + Hayward (if he signs) are not going to put BOS over CLE. One game in that series was close. One.

Jimmy Butler doesn't put the Celtics over Cleveland either. Probably not even if they add Hayward either.

They are not mortgaging their future to win maybe 2 games in a conference finals next year by adding Butler.

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Butler is easily a top 10 player on a great contract and could absolutely put BOS over the top (especially if they add Hayward). Trading two 1st round picks + a player for someone of that caliber is not unreasonable. If you want to wait 4 years for Jaylen Brown and Josh Jackson to enter their primes, so be it.

Curmudgeon · Post #290 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:20 am

It's not that the Butler to Boston ship has sailed, it's that the ship was never launched. Retool away.

BeatDaCavs420 · Post #291 » by **BeatDaCavs420** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:22 am

Braindesign wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
Braindesign wrote:There is zero chance Boston does that deal for Jimmy Butler.

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It's either that or BOS wastes the primes of IT/Crowder/Horford. Unfortunately, Josh Jackson + Hayward (if he signs) are not going to put BOS over CLE. One game in that series was close. One.

Jimmy Butler doesn't put the Celtics over Cleveland either. Probably not even if they add Hayward either.

They are not mortgaging their future to win maybe 2 games in a conference finals next year by adding Butler.

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So you think Jimmy Butler is just worth a conference final win or 2 with players like IT/Crowder/Hordford/Bradely with a coach like Stevens...My God bro...Are you just basing this off of what you seen in that Celtic match up or what?

Crooked-I · Post #292 » by **Crooked-I** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:26 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:Seems odd that Lakers' fans love this trade for the Celtics, do Lakers' fans not think that they're going to be 'much improved' next season, all of sudden?

Or maybe we think Fultz isn't all that? I don't see him being that much better than Jackson or Ball(if at all). Definitely not enough to add a lottery pick(s?). Also don't really like the fit for Philly. Simmons and Embiid are high usage guys, same with Fultz. I think when you have 3 high usage guys on the same team, one just ends up spot up shooting ala KLove.

Although I should state that it is a risky trade for Ainge, he could look like a huge idiot. Who really knows.

Braindesign · Post #293 » by **Braindesign** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:27 am

sixers238 wrote:
Braindesign wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
It's either that or BOS wastes the primes of IT/Crowder/Horford. Unfortunately, Josh Jackson + Hayward (if he signs) are not going to put BOS over CLE. One game in that series was close. One.

Jimmy Butler doesn't put the Celtics over Cleveland either. Probably not even if they add Hayward either.

They are not mortgaging their future to win maybe 2 games in a conference finals next year by adding Butler.

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Butler is easily a top 10 player on a great contract who could absolutely put BOS over the top (especially if they add Hayward). If you want to wait 4 years for Jaylen Brown and Josh Jackson to enter their primes, so be it.

Butler and Hayward do not put the C's over the top.

Lebron + Kyrie + Love + Thompson >> IT + Butler + Hayward + Horford

Curry + Klay + Durant + Green is even more so

So no, I have zero interest in paying the price you think Butler's worth to still fall short. The window isn't now, it's 2-4 years out.

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BeatDaCavs420 · Post #294 » by **BeatDaCavs420** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:29 am

So wait you think even Hayward and Butler don't do it not just Butler but BOTH :lol:

Yup I have had enough for tonight. I am going to bed

Braindesign · Post #295 » by **Braindesign** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:32 am

BeatDaCavs420 wrote:
Braindesign wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
It's either that or BOS wastes the primes of IT/Crowder/Horford. Unfortunately, Josh Jackson + Hayward (if he signs) are not going to put BOS over CLE. One game in that series was close. One.

Jimmy Butler doesn't put the Celtics over Cleveland either. Probably not even if they add Hayward either.

They are not mortgaging their future to win maybe 2 games in a conference finals next year by adding Butler.

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So you think Jimmy Butler is just worth a conference final win or 2 with players like IT/Crowder/Hordford/Bradely with a coach like Stevens...My God bro...Are you just basing this off of what you seen in that Celtic match up or what?

No, I'm basing it on

LeBron + Kyrie + Love + Thompson >> IT + Butler + Hayward + Horford

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76ciology · Post #296 » by **76ciology** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:37 am

Celts shouldn't do the trade. Because doing so gives the Sixers a team they won't be able to beat.

Resistance is FULTile.

Post #297 » by **Stanford** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:42 am

sogood wrote:Have a feeling Sixers is about to get bent over Billy King style.

Not if Fultz is the best player a la Towns, which most experts say he is.

Kurosawa0 · Post #298 » by **Kurosawa0** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:42 am

G Buckets wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:You're delusional. If that's your asking price for Butler, he won't be traded. Good luck with the Bulls rebuild.

Unless Chicago just wants to blow it up(which is always possible, Chicago has clowns for a front office, they don't have any direction), that will be the price. In other words Butler isn't getting traded.

It's called re-tooling. Rebuilding is starting from scratch.

You're not getting four likely lottery picks for Jimmy Butler. He isn't even close to worth that. Anthony Davis wouldn't get that.

Tai · Post #299 » by **Tai** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:44 am

sixers238 wrote:Posted this on the sixers board. Fair?

BOS out: #1, BKN 2018 1st, Smart or Bradley
BOS in: Butler

CHI out: Butler
CHI in: #3 (Jackson), BKN 2018 1st, LAL 2018 1st, Okafor

PHI out: #3, LAL 2018 1st, Okafor
PHI in: #1 (Fultz), Smart or Bradley

I don't get it; the original talks had the Celtics getting the Sixers #3 pick as is, and you're saying they don't even get that in this scenario? If all the Celtics are getting is Butler anyway, why not just trade with the Bulls straight up? :lol:

Post #300 » by **kingofthecourt67** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:47 am

Braindesign wrote:
BeatDaCavs420 wrote:
Braindesign wrote:Jimmy Butler doesn't put the Celtics over Cleveland either. Probably not even if they add Hayward either.

They are not mortgaging their future to win maybe 2 games in a conference finals next year by adding Butler.

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So you think Jimmy Butler is just worth a conference final win or 2 with players like IT/Crowder/Hordford/Bradely with a coach like Stevens...My God bro...Are you just basing this off of what you seen in that Celtic match up or what?

No, I'm basing it on

LeBron + Kyrie + Love + Thompson >> IT + Butler + Hayward + Horford

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I actually really like the chances of that Celtics team beating the Cavs at least once in the next 2 years. That's a lot of talent...especially considering they'll probably be able to keep one of Crowder or Bradley.