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[SpeedyG]

I'm somewhat of a Kyrie critic but I don't think he's been the problem this year. I do think the losses of guys like Ed Davis, DeMarre Carroll, and Jared Duley went under the radar a bit.

Yeap, Davis in particular. And the loss of RHJ probably hurt, as well. He was pretty much the Nets best stopper, the last few seasons. Temple looks like he's stepping up, altho he can't take on big men the way RHJ was routinely able to do.

That said, there's a lot of new faces to integrate, and it does make sense the second unit would be struggling like this; at least for a while.

What I will say about Kyrie is that he's better suited to be a SG offensively (which is why the offense clicks better with him an Dinwiddie on the court) but then the problems come defensively. In an ideal world he would be paired with a PG who is comfortable guarding wings.

Dunno about that... Spencer's been playing incredibly below his standards so far. Throwing dreadful passes and forcing the ball too much. So far Kyrie seems to pair better with LeVert.

Kyrie is definitely a scoring-style PG, and a monster at isos, but so far I really can't complain about his passing. It's been on-point so far. It also would be one thing if his scoring efficiency was only mediocre, but so far, he's been incredible. Every decision he makes seems to be the right one.

If Allen Iverson had this kind of efficiency with the Sixers way back when, I probably never would have become a Nets fan, almost 20 years ago.

RHJ lmao c'mon man. The problem has been the bench...which was a strength of last year's team.

1. Spencer is playing like absolute trash this season. And he's supposed to be the main cog of that 2nd unit

2. Carrol was the other key factor on that bench. And while Prince is an upgrade, he has been starting. So in Carroll's place has been Rodi, who like Dinwiddie is struggling a lot right now.

Davis has been missed though for sure.

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[Hello Brooklyn]

Btw, when this kerfuffle is finally behind us, I want to talk about the ACTUAL reason I clicked on this thread-- i.e. my Brooklyn Nets!

For example, I notice a lot of people around here slagging on Kyrie Irving lately, but for the most part they couldn't be more wrong.

In reality, what with all the new faces on the team, we've been kind of a hot mess these days, making tonnes of careless turnovers and boneheaded mistakes on D. Kyrie has in fact been our rock in the storm, not just in scoring, but in passing and leadership, as well.

Now I do think there's a fair share of reasons to critique Kyrie, particularly in terms of the past, but I also think anyone who's indulging in that shizzle these days has simply not been watching the actual games!

I'm somewhat of a Kyrie critic but I don't think he's been the problem this year. I do think the losses of guys like Ed Davis, DeMarre Carroll, and Jared Duley went under the radar a bit.

What I will say about Kyrie is that he's better suited to be a SG offensively (which is why the offense clicks better with him an Dinwiddie on the court) but then the problems come defensively. In an ideal world he would be paired with a PG who is comfortable guarding wings.

I think the idea that seems to be out there that the Nets lost important players from last season is complete nonsense.

I liked Ed Davis, DeMare Carroll and Jared Dudley but they were not very good for us consistently in the regular season.

Taurean Prince is way better than any of those guys. Garret Temple has been good. Jordan hasn't been great but still better than Ed Davis for sure.

The major guys from last year are all back, Levert, Harris, Dinwiddie. And Kyrie is a massive upgrade over Russell. As much as I like Russell its not close.

I don't think Russell will ever be capable of putting up 30 a game. Putting up 20 on decent efficiency was a huge step for him.

Talent on this Nets team w/o Durant is far better than last year. They just haven't been playing well.

But its very early. And as I keep telling people our record was far worse starting out last year.

[gigantes]

RHJ lmao c'mon man. The problem has been the bench...which was a strength of last year's team.

What do you mean, "'c'mon man?

RHJ mostly came off the bench last season, AFAIK.

Also, RHJ was nifty in being able to cover all spots up until about the four, or maybe even smaller centers, sometimes. Granted, he was disappointing and inconsistent last year, but he still brought his strengths, and still had significant impact IMO.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Btw, when this kerfuffle is finally behind us, I want to talk about the ACTUAL reason I clicked on this thread-- i.e. my Brooklyn Nets!

For example, I notice a lot of people around here slagging on Kyrie Irving lately, but for the most part they couldn't be more wrong.

In reality, what with all the new faces on the team, we've been kind of a hot mess these days, making tonnes of careless turnovers and boneheaded mistakes on D. Kyrie has in fact been our rock in the storm, not just in scoring, but in passing and leadership, as well.

Now I do think there's a fair share of reasons to critique Kyrie, particularly in terms of the past, but I also think anyone who's indulging in that shizzle these days has simply not been watching the actual games!

I'm somewhat of a Kyrie critic but I don't think he's been the problem this year. I do think the losses of guys like Ed Davis, DeMarre Carroll, and Jared Duley went under the radar a bit.

What I will say about Kyrie is that he's better suited to be a SG offensively (which is why the offense clicks better with him an Dinwiddie on the court) but then the problems come defensively. In an ideal world he would be paired with a PG who is comfortable guarding wings.

I think the idea that seems to be out there that the Nets lost important players from last season is complete nonsense.

I liked Ed Davis, DeMare Carroll and Jared Dudley but they were not very good for us consistently in the regular season.

Taurean Prince is way better than any of those guys. Garret Temple has been good. Jordan hasn't been great but still better than Ed Davis for sure.

The major guys from last year are all back, Levert, Harris, Dinwiddie. And Kyrie is a massive upgrade over Russell. As much as I like Russell its not close.

I don't think Russell will ever be capable of putting up 30 a game. Putting up 20 on decent efficiency was a huge step for him.

Talent on this Nets team w/o Durant is far better than last year. They just haven't been playing well.

But its very early. And as I keep telling people our record was far worse starting out last year.

We are still in disagreement over this. If you're right then upgrading DLo to Kyrie should yield a better team record, but I don't think that will be the case when all is said and done.

[Prokorov]

I'm somewhat of a Kyrie critic but I don't think he's been the problem this year. I do think the losses of guys like Ed Davis, DeMarre Carroll, and Jared Duley went under the radar a bit.

What I will say about Kyrie is that he's better suited to be a SG offensively (which is why the offense clicks better with him an Dinwiddie on the court) but then the problems come defensively. In an ideal world he would be paired with a PG who is comfortable guarding wings.

I think the idea that seems to be out there that the Nets lost important players from last season is complete nonsense.

I liked Ed Davis, DeMare Carroll and Jared Dudley but they were not very good for us consistently in the regular season.

Taurean Prince is way better than any of those guys. Garret Temple has been good. Jordan hasn't been great but still better than Ed Davis for sure.

The major guys from last year are all back, Levert, Harris, Dinwiddie. And Kyrie is a massive upgrade over Russell. As much as I like Russell its not close.

I don't think Russell will ever be capable of putting up 30 a game. Putting up 20 on decent efficiency was a huge step for him.

Talent on this Nets team w/o Durant is far better than last year. They just haven't been playing well.

But its very early. And as I keep telling people our record was far worse starting out last year.

We are still in disagreement over this. If you're right then upgrading DLo to Kyrie should yield a better team record, but I don't think that will be the case when all is said and done.

There was not a more irrelevant player to last years nets then RHJ.

[GeorgeMarcus]

I think the idea that seems to be out there that the Nets lost important players from last season is complete nonsense.

I liked Ed Davis, DeMare Carroll and Jared Dudley but they were not very good for us consistently in the regular season.

Taurean Prince is way better than any of those guys. Garret Temple has been good. Jordan hasn't been great but still better than Ed Davis for sure.

The major guys from last year are all back, Levert, Harris, Dinwiddie. And Kyrie is a massive upgrade over Russell. As much as I like Russell its not close.

I don't think Russell will ever be capable of putting up 30 a game. Putting up 20 on decent efficiency was a huge step for him.

Talent on this Nets team w/o Durant is far better than last year. They just haven't been playing well.

But its very early. And as I keep telling people our record was far worse starting out last year.

We are still in disagreement over this. If you're right then upgrading DLo to Kyrie should yield a better team record, but I don't think that will be the case when all is said and done.

There was not a more irrelevant player to last years nets then RHJ.

That’s an overstatement, but the weird thing is you keep bringing him up to refute my point. I’ve specifically honed in on what Davis, Carroll and Dudley provided for your team, so it sounds like you’re deflecting.

[Prokorov]

We are still in disagreement over this. If you're right then upgrading DLo to Kyrie should yield a better team record, but I don't think that will be the case when all is said and done.

There was not a more irrelevant player to last years nets then RHJ.

That’s an overstatement, but the weird thing is you keep bringing him up to refute my point. I’ve specifically honed in on what Davis, Carroll and Dudley provided for your team, so it sounds like you’re deflecting.

Dudley had his moments, but he spent most of his time on the bench and street clothes. Davis wasnt good. Caroll was great year 1 in brooklyn, last year he struggled with health and durability and was wildly inconsistent.

the nets biggest issue is guys like levert, dinwiddie, and mostly kurucs who went from huge posisitve starting PF to a trash backup player... but its early so im not too concerned

[GeorgeMarcus]

There was not a more irrelevant player to last years nets then RHJ.

That’s an overstatement, but the weird thing is you keep bringing him up to refute my point. I’ve specifically honed in on what Davis, Carroll and Dudley provided for your team, so it sounds like you’re deflecting.

Dudley had his moments, but he spent most of his time on the bench and street clothes. Davis wasnt good. Caroll was great year 1 in brooklyn, last year he struggled with health and durability and was wildly inconsistent.

the nets biggest issue is guys like levert, dinwiddie, and mostly kurucs who went from huge posisitve starting PF to a trash backup player... but its early so im not too concerned

Dudley played significant minutes, but really you lost me at “Davis wasn’t good”. Come on man.

Anyway time will tell.

[Prokorov]

That’s an overstatement, but the weird thing is you keep bringing him up to refute my point. I’ve specifically honed in on what Davis, Carroll and Dudley provided for your team, so it sounds like you’re deflecting.

Dudley had his moments, but he spent most of his time on the bench and street clothes. Davis wasnt good. Caroll was great year 1 in brooklyn, last year he struggled with health and durability and was wildly inconsistent.

the nets biggest issue is guys like levert, dinwiddie, and mostly kurucs who went from huge posisitve starting PF to a trash backup player... but its early so im not too concerned

Dudley played significant minutes, but really you lost me at “Davis wasn’t good”. Come on man.

Anyway time will tell.

Davis wasnt good. we could not run our offense with him on the floor since he was such a terrible piuck and roll player, which is why we were so iso heavy when allen sat. all he did was rebound. he got bodied on D and was a huge detriment offensively

dudley played for a portion of the season, once kurucs was inserted, dudley got garbage minutes and we started winning games at a high clip

[Hello Brooklyn]

I'm somewhat of a Kyrie critic but I don't think he's been the problem this year. I do think the losses of guys like Ed Davis, DeMarre Carroll, and Jared Duley went under the radar a bit.

What I will say about Kyrie is that he's better suited to be a SG offensively (which is why the offense clicks better with him an Dinwiddie on the court) but then the problems come defensively. In an ideal world he would be paired with a PG who is comfortable guarding wings.

I think the idea that seems to be out there that the Nets lost important players from last season is complete nonsense.

I liked Ed Davis, DeMare Carroll and Jared Dudley but they were not very good for us consistently in the regular season.

Taurean Prince is way better than any of those guys. Garret Temple has been good. Jordan hasn't been great but still better than Ed Davis for sure.

The major guys from last year are all back, Levert, Harris, Dinwiddie. And Kyrie is a massive upgrade over Russell. As much as I like Russell its not close.

I don't think Russell will ever be capable of putting up 30 a game. Putting up 20 on decent efficiency was a huge step for him.

Talent on this Nets team w/o Durant is far better than last year. They just haven't been playing well.

But its very early. And as I keep telling people our record was far worse starting out last year.

We are still in disagreement over this. If you're right then upgrading DLo to Kyrie should yield a better team record, but I don't think that will be the case when all is said and done.

I personally would be very surprised if the Nets can't beat the 42 wins of last year.

You must be very down on the Nets if you don't think they can do better than a .500 record.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Dudley had his moments, but he spent most of his time on the bench and street clothes. Davis wasnt good. Caroll was great year 1 in brooklyn, last year he struggled with health and durability and was wildly inconsistent.

the nets biggest issue is guys like levert, dinwiddie, and mostly kurucs who went from huge posisitve starting PF to a trash backup player... but its early so im not too concerned

Dudley played significant minutes, but really you lost me at “Davis wasn’t good”. Come on man.

Anyway time will tell.

Davis wasnt good. we could not run our offense with him on the floor since he was such a terrible piuck and roll player, which is why we were so iso heavy when allen sat. all he did was rebound. he got bodied on D and was a huge detriment offensively

dudley played for a portion of the season, once kurucs was inserted, dudley got garbage minutes and we started winning games at a high clip

I don't believe that GeorgeMarcus actually watched the Nets in the regular season last year based on his analysis of our team.

RHJ? Even starting out with that argument proves you didn't watch.

Dudley's contributions were mostly in the locker room. He would have a good game every once in a while. Mostly did not do much.

And Davis was a positive contributor but very limited in what he could as you are saying.

Carroll was good but often injured and Prince is way better than him.

None of these guys were major contributors to our team.

The talent level is just flat out better this year compared to last year. It's really not close.

[Trader_Joe]

Dudley played significant minutes, but really you lost me at “Davis wasn’t good”. Come on man.

Anyway time will tell.

Davis wasnt good. we could not run our offense with him on the floor since he was such a terrible piuck and roll player, which is why we were so iso heavy when allen sat. all he did was rebound. he got bodied on D and was a huge detriment offensively

dudley played for a portion of the season, once kurucs was inserted, dudley got garbage minutes and we started winning games at a high clip

I don't believe that GeorgeMarcus actually watched the Nets in the regular season last year based on his analysis of our team.

RHJ? Even starting out with that argument proves you didn't watch.

Dudley's contributions were mostly in the locker room. He would have a good game every once in a while. Mostly did not do much.

And Davis was a positive contributor but very limited in what he could as you are saying.

Carroll was good but often injured and Prince is way better than him.

None of these guys were major contributors to our team.

The talent level is just flat out better this year compared to last year. It's really not close.

I think both of your are downplaying the losses.

Kenny was holding up signs because of a lack of defensive communication. Something Carroll, Dudley and Davis did on and off the court.

Prince is not the defender DMC was. Jordan hasn't been better than Davis for us defensively either. Kurucs has been terrible and out of control. Dudley at least knew his role and played smart.

Our defense is atrocious so far and I'm not sure when that changes or how.

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Davis wasnt good. we could not run our offense with him on the floor since he was such a terrible piuck and roll player, which is why we were so iso heavy when allen sat. all he did was rebound. he got bodied on D and was a huge detriment offensively

dudley played for a portion of the season, once kurucs was inserted, dudley got garbage minutes and we started winning games at a high clip

I don't believe that GeorgeMarcus actually watched the Nets in the regular season last year based on his analysis of our team.

RHJ? Even starting out with that argument proves you didn't watch.

Dudley's contributions were mostly in the locker room. He would have a good game every once in a while. Mostly did not do much.

And Davis was a positive contributor but very limited in what he could as you are saying.

Carroll was good but often injured and Prince is way better than him.

None of these guys were major contributors to our team.

The talent level is just flat out better this year compared to last year. It's really not close.

I think both of your are downplaying the losses.

Kenny was holding up signs because of a lack of defensive communication. Something Carroll, Dudley and Davis did on and off the court.

Prince is not the defender DMC was. Jordan hasn't been better than Davis for us defensively either. Kurucs has been terrible and out of control. Dudley at least knew his role and played smart.

Our defense is atrocious so far and I'm not sure when that changes or how.

Defensive communication is lacking right now because of chemistry. It's a new team.

We started out 8-18 last year. Probably had the worst defense in the entire league. Are you pretending that DMC/Davis/Carroll came in right away and made a huge difference defensively? We were awful initially.

I don't agree that DMC is a better defender than Prince at all. He's been pretty good and was crucial in stopping Ingram at the end of the game yesterday.

And again Dudley "knowing his role" came with time.

[ajones9219]

lol some of these posts take me back to last year.

[PistolPeteJR]

The bold names were the starters, mostly going up against the opponents best players.

On/off is a bit unfair in that regard.

Dinwiddie came off the bench and Kurucs was a part-time starter, but there is an element of truth to what you're saying.

Dinwiddie startd a decent amount of games though.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Is this a thread for all things Nets on the GB? If so, can we do this same thing for the Raptors?

[GeorgeMarcus]

Dudley played significant minutes, but really you lost me at “Davis wasn’t good”. Come on man.

Anyway time will tell.

Davis wasnt good. we could not run our offense with him on the floor since he was such a terrible piuck and roll player, which is why we were so iso heavy when allen sat. all he did was rebound. he got bodied on D and was a huge detriment offensively

dudley played for a portion of the season, once kurucs was inserted, dudley got garbage minutes and we started winning games at a high clip

I don't believe that GeorgeMarcus actually watched the Nets in the regular season last year based on his analysis of our team.

RHJ? Even starting out with that argument proves you didn't watch.

Dudley's contributions were mostly in the locker room. He would have a good game every once in a while. Mostly did not do much.

And Davis was a positive contributor but very limited in what he could as you are saying.

Carroll was good but often injured and Prince is way better than him.

None of these guys were major contributors to our team.

The talent level is just flat out better this year compared to last year. It's really not close.

Good lord, if someone brings up RHJ one more time as if it was the crux of my argument

Just in the past couple pages...

Raw on/off has plenty of meaning, but more importantly stop putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned Graham once, or anything about the roles of RHJ or Napier. You are literally making up things that I say and arguing against them. I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone.

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I'm not replying to the 8 separate posts you quoted me in because that's ridiculous. But from the skimming I did you're still not getting it. For starters, I didn't use +/-. On/off and +/- are not the same. 2nd I never said anything about RHJ other than specifying the amount of minutes he played, which was significant. You're just not getting it so I'm bowing out. This is ridiculous

That’s an overstatement, but the weird thing is you keep bringing him (RHJ) up to refute my point. I’ve specifically honed in on what Davis, Carroll and Dudley provided for your team, so it sounds like you’re deflecting.

You and especially Prokorov really need to put a sock in the RHJ argument. Beyond that, I watched the Nets a lot last year so you can convince yourself of whatever you want but it doesn't change the facts. I've made my case and now we can put my theory to the test, but it's probably not a great time to puff out your chest after going 3-4 with one of the easiest schedules in the league.

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Kyrie’s passinf and playmaking looked fantastic against the Pels.


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[GeorgeMarcus]

The bold names were the starters, mostly going up against the opponents best players.

On/off is a bit unfair in that regard.

Dinwiddie came off the bench and Kurucs was a part-time starter, but there is an element of truth to what you're saying.

Dinwiddie startd a decent amount of games though.

He started 4 games last year

[Prokorov]

Davis wasnt good. we could not run our offense with him on the floor since he was such a terrible piuck and roll player, which is why we were so iso heavy when allen sat. all he did was rebound. he got bodied on D and was a huge detriment offensively

dudley played for a portion of the season, once kurucs was inserted, dudley got garbage minutes and we started winning games at a high clip

I don't believe that GeorgeMarcus actually watched the Nets in the regular season last year based on his analysis of our team.

RHJ? Even starting out with that argument proves you didn't watch.

Dudley's contributions were mostly in the locker room. He would have a good game every once in a while. Mostly did not do much.

And Davis was a positive contributor but very limited in what he could as you are saying.

Carroll was good but often injured and Prince is way better than him.

None of these guys were major contributors to our team.

The talent level is just flat out better this year compared to last year. It's really not close.

Good lord, if someone brings up RHJ one more time as if it was the crux of my argument

Just in the past couple pages...

Raw on/off has plenty of meaning, but more importantly stop putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned Graham once, or anything about the roles of RHJ or Napier. You are literally making up things that I say and arguing against them. I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone.

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I'm not replying to the 8 separate posts you quoted me in because that's ridiculous. But from the skimming I did you're still not getting it. For starters, I didn't use +/-. On/off and +/- are not the same. 2nd I never said anything about RHJ other than specifying the amount of minutes he played, which was significant. You're just not getting it so I'm bowing out. This is ridiculous

That’s an overstatement, but the weird thing is you keep bringing him (RHJ) up to refute my point. I’ve specifically honed in on what Davis, Carroll and Dudley provided for your team, so it sounds like you’re deflecting.

You and especially Prokorov really need to put a sock in the RHJ argument. Beyond that, I watched the Nets a lot last year so you can convince yourself of whatever you want but it doesn't change the facts. I've made my case and now we can put my theory to the test, but it's probably not a great time to puff out your chest after going 3-4 with one of the easiest schedules in the league.

it is just hard to fathom that you watched alot of nets games but think RHJ had some kind of role on this team... or that Carroll had an impact (he did year 1, not last year)