NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 (Fresh poll ➥ Vote)

therealbig3 · Post #281 » by **therealbig3** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:15 am

I don't see how it's not LeBron at this point.

art_tatum · Post #282 » by **art_tatum** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:24 am

WHITE_HOT_HEAT wrote:
Yank3525 wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:In what metric is LeBron making a push for MVP? He's behind AD in pretty much every way.

AD vs LeBron
PER: 26.1 vs 23.2
TS%: .601 vs .579
WS: 2.6 vs 2.1
WS/48: .254 vs .187
BPM: 7.5 vs 5.1
VORP: 1.2 vs 1

I have Jokic and Embiid as 1a and 1b so far. Kawhi, KD and AD round out my top 5 at the moment.

Yeah, he is having his worst season in years and yet people think he should be the front runner lol.

'His worst season' - which can be attributed in large part to the schedule and the mins played.

Also, absolutely no one who regularly watches the games would dump stats and objectively say AD has been better. He's been extremely poor and has admitted to it "HIMSELF"! Sucked!

Lebron is the better player in general but those stats should show that AD really DQs lebron from the MVP. He's got another first teamer having better advanced stats than him, even if lebron is the better player. Same with durant, second leading scorer but he's playing with harden now.

Now lebron still has a chance. If none of the teams that have only 1 clear star (with amazing stats) get to a mid seed, then it could be lebron or kd

cpower · Post #283 » by **cpower** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:31 am

Lebron wins on narratives. if Murray has these numbers on the lakers AD will be the MVP frontrunner for sure

Heej · Post #284 » by **Heej** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:43 am

LeBron already lost out on an MVP back in 2011 cuz he played next to Wade lol. Stop trying to will that same effect until existence LMFAO it's not gonna happen. Voters don't care about AD because LeBron controls the ball. They're just gonna see it as LeBron and AD complementing eachother but Bron still being the MVP if the Lakers secure the top seed. James Harden shouldn't have won MVP in 2018 then because he had CP3 in the last year of his prime on his team. Sometimes secondary players don't take the shine away and trying to argue it on RealGM as if it'll make any difference on the voters sounds like premium grade copium :lol:

If anyone is taking the MVP away from LeBron it's gonna be himself, AD ain't taking that s*** from him :rofl:

y'all gonna be sounding like Trump supporters at the end of the year crying about undeserved votes and no one listening to you :lol:

A_Biased_Fan · Post #285 » by **A_Biased_Fan** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:01 am

Heej wrote:LeBron already lost out on an MVP back in 2011 cuz he played next to Wade lol. Stop trying to will that same effect until existence LMFAO it's not gonna happen. Voters don't care about AD because LeBron controls the ball. They're just gonna see it as LeBron and AD complementing eachother but Bron still being the MVP if the Lakers secure the top seed. James Harden shouldn't have won MVP in 2018 then because he had CP3 in the last year of his prime on his team. Sometimes secondary players don't take the shine away and trying to argue it on RealGM as if it'll make any difference on the voters sounds like premium grade copium

If anyone is taking the MVP away from LeBron it's gonna be himself, AD ain't taking that s*** from him y'all gonna be sounding like Trump supporters at the end of the year crying about undeserved votes and no one listening to you

TBH, I'm more mad he didn't get more MVP love in 2017 and 2018 than about 2011. Especially 2018 with that trash team he was carrying.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #286 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:06 am

It’s amazing to see how great Lebron is at 36 - just wow. Hand this man #5.

Dutchball97 · Post #287 » by **Dutchball97** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:52 am

Looks like the MVP discussion brings out the worst in Bron stans. He should've definitely won in 2011 and he could've won in 2018 too but that is no reason to take away the 2021 MVP from someone who deserves it and give it to LeBron because you think he's cute.

Freighttrain · Post #288 » by **Freighttrain** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:03 am

Dutchball97 wrote:Looks like the MVP discussion brings out the worst in Bron stans. He should've definitely won in 2011 and he could've won in 2018 too but that is no reason to take away the 2021 MVP from someone who deserves it and give it to LeBron because you think he's cute.

Wait who's clearly more deserving than LeBron at this moment? The only one I could see having a great argument is Embiid. But saying one is deserving of it after 20% of the season is even more ludicrous. There is a difference between being the frontrunner and ore more deserving.

Dutchball97 · Post #289 » by **Dutchball97** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:28 am

Freighttrain wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:Looks like the MVP discussion brings out the worst in Bron stans. He should've definitely won in 2011 and he could've won in 2018 too but that is no reason to take away the 2021 MVP from someone who deserves it and give it to LeBron because you think he's cute.

Wait who's clearly more deserving than LeBron at this moment? The only one I could see having a great argument is Embiid. But saying one is deserving of it after 20% of the season is even more ludicrous. There is a difference between being the frontrunner and ore more deserving.

Who isn't? I don't understand why all these Bron stans are parading around here saying he should be MVP for sure without anything backing it up.

LeBron is only in the MVP convo because he's on the best team and he's not even the clear best player on his team so far. The season isn't over yet and LeBron is close enough he could still take it but claiming he's the favorite as of this moment sounds like someone who doesn't even bother watching basketball anymore.

Freighttrain · Post #290 » by **Freighttrain** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:33 am

Dutchball97 wrote:
Freighttrain wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:Looks like the MVP discussion brings out the worst in Bron stans. He should've definitely won in 2011 and he could've won in 2018 too but that is no reason to take away the 2021 MVP from someone who deserves it and give it to LeBron because you think he's cute.

Wait who's clearly more deserving than LeBron at this moment? The only one I could see having a great argument is Embiid. But saying one is deserving of it after 20% of the season is even more ludicrous. There is a difference between being the frontrunner and ore more deserving.

Who isn't? I don't understand why all these Bron stans are parading around here saying he should be MVP for sure without anything backing it up.

LeBron is only in the MVP convo because he's on the best team and he's not even the clear best player on his team so far. The season isn't over yet and LeBron is close enough he could still take it but claiming he's the favorite as of this moment sounds like someone who doesn't even bother watching basketball anymore.

I wonder if you even watch the games to claim this nonsensical take :lol:

bellabiyel · Post #291 » by **bellabiyel** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:35 am

Dutchball97 wrote:
Freighttrain wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:Looks like the MVP discussion brings out the worst in Bron stans. He should've definitely won in 2011 and he could've won in 2018 too but that is no reason to take away the 2021 MVP from someone who deserves it and give it to LeBron because you think he's cute.

Wait who's clearly more deserving than LeBron at this moment? The only one I could see having a great argument is Embiid. But saying one is deserving of it after 20% of the season is even more ludicrous. There is a difference between being the frontrunner and ore more deserving.

Who isn't? I don't understand why all these Bron stans are parading around here saying he should be MVP for sure without anything backing it up.

LeBron is only in the MVP convo because he's on the best team and he's not even the clear best player on his team so far. The season isn't over yet and LeBron is close enough he could still take it but claiming he's the favorite as of this moment sounds like someone who doesn't even bother watching basketball anymore.

did you watch all lakers games this year outside the bulls game?
you will clearly see who's the clear cut best player on the team

Gooner · Post #292 » by **Gooner** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:40 am

Heej wrote:LeBron already lost out on an MVP back in 2011 cuz he played next to Wade lol. Stop trying to will that same effect until existence LMFAO it's not gonna happen. Voters don't care about AD because LeBron controls the ball. They're just gonna see it as LeBron and AD complementing eachother but Bron still being the MVP if the Lakers secure the top seed. James Harden shouldn't have won MVP in 2018 then because he had CP3 in the last year of his prime on his team. Sometimes secondary players don't take the shine away and trying to argue it on RealGM as if it'll make any difference on the voters sounds like premium grade copium

If anyone is taking the MVP away from LeBron it's gonna be himself, AD ain't taking that s*** from him y'all gonna be sounding like Trump supporters at the end of the year crying about undeserved votes and no one listening to you

Rose deserved it in 2011, he led his team to the best record and it wasn't a super team. LeBron will fall off anyway, he is relying on his shot too much. Trump supporters have a legitimate argument too, that **** was rigged.

art_tatum · Post #293 » by **art_tatum** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:10 am

I'm gonna go with embiid jokic or luka.
If warriors somehow get a decent seed then curry for sure bc the media loves him.
If all those teams tank, it'll be lebron or KD depending on narrative and record.

Voters actually get wined and dined behind the scenes. It's like the Oscars voting. So lebron has a great chance. He's GOAT at media relations behind the scenes after learning from 2011.

bearadonisdna · Post #294 » by **bearadonisdna** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:29 am

lets just try not to play oblivious to league standards, league precedent and what we already know.
The men in black didnt come in and flashpoint us to forget the league landscape of last season.
its a new season but certain precedents still do exist.

acting like a star from a 4th or 5th seeded or .500 team should deserve consideration is an exercise in futility.

VDT · Post #295 » by **VDT** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:30 am

I think if they can, that is if he has reasonably good numbers and the Lakers have a good record, they will give one last MVP award to Lebron.

trickshot · Post #296 » by **trickshot** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:32 am

Dutchball97 wrote:
Freighttrain wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:Looks like the MVP discussion brings out the worst in Bron stans. He should've definitely won in 2011 and he could've won in 2018 too but that is no reason to take away the 2021 MVP from someone who deserves it and give it to LeBron because you think he's cute.

Wait who's clearly more deserving than LeBron at this moment? The only one I could see having a great argument is Embiid. But saying one is deserving of it after 20% of the season is even more ludicrous. There is a difference between being the frontrunner and ore more deserving.

Who isn't? I don't understand why all these Bron stans are parading around here saying he should be MVP for sure without anything backing it up.

LeBron is only in the MVP convo because he's on the best team and he's not even the clear best player on his team so far. The season isn't over yet and LeBron is close enough he could still take it but claiming he's the favorite as of this moment sounds like someone who doesn't even bother watching basketball anymore.

I stan both Luka and Bron and I think you're wrong. Your posts actually show more prejudice on the matter than "Bron stans" show bias. Lebron has played at an MVP level. I hope Luka or Bron wins but this award has always unfairly been a best player on winningest team award. Why most legends don't win MVPs in their most statistical dominant year.

Those who have Bron atop their standings right now are only using the decades old criteria MVP voters have already established. Also the stuff about AD being better, man why not just watch games before getting in the thick of it and calling people biased.

edit Anyway so Jokic's team is now 10-7 so his case for MVP just got even stronger. At 8-9 no one is putting Luka atop their quarter season MVP rankings

Dutchball97 · Post #297 » by **Dutchball97** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:52 am

donnieme wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
Freighttrain wrote:
Wait who's clearly more deserving than LeBron at this moment? The only one I could see having a great argument is Embiid. But saying one is deserving of it after 20% of the season is even more ludicrous. There is a difference between being the frontrunner and ore more deserving.

Who isn't? I don't understand why all these Bron stans are parading around here saying he should be MVP for sure without anything backing it up.

LeBron is only in the MVP convo because he's on the best team and he's not even the clear best player on his team so far. The season isn't over yet and LeBron is close enough he could still take it but claiming he's the favorite as of this moment sounds like someone who doesn't even bother watching basketball anymore.

I stan both Luka and Bron and I think you're wrong. Your posts actually show more prejudice on the matter than "Bron stans" show bias. Lebron has played at an MVP level. I hope Luka or Bron wins but this award has always unfairly been a best player on winningest team award. Why most legends don't win MVPs in their most statistical dominant year.

Those who have Bron atop their standings right now are only using the decades old criteria MVP voters have already established. Also the stuff about AD being better, man why not just watch games before getting in the thick of it and calling people biased

edit Anyway so Jokic's team is now 10-7 so his case for MVP just got even stronger. At 8-9 no one is putting Luka atop their quarter season MVP rankings

LeBron has been taking it easy early in the season and has only recently been turning it up. After tonight's game LeBron > Davis is a fair take but disregarding AD's importance in the early stages of the season just to prop up LeBron feels disingenuous. It's a bit weak to say people should argue who they think the media will vote for MVP instead of arguing who we think should be the MVP. Funny you try to turn around the watch some games argument as well, guess the Bron stan digs hurt you and for that sorry I guess.

Gooner · Post #298 » by **Gooner** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:54 am

Dutchball97 wrote:
donnieme wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
Who isn't? I don't understand why all these Bron stans are parading around here saying he should be MVP for sure without anything backing it up.

LeBron is only in the MVP convo because he's on the best team and he's not even the clear best player on his team so far. The season isn't over yet and LeBron is close enough he could still take it but claiming he's the favorite as of this moment sounds like someone who doesn't even bother watching basketball anymore.

I stan both Luka and Bron and I think you're wrong. Your posts actually show more prejudice on the matter than "Bron stans" show bias. Lebron has played at an MVP level. I hope Luka or Bron wins but this award has always unfairly been a best player on winningest team award. Why most legends don't win MVPs in their most statistical dominant year.

Those who have Bron atop their standings right now are only using the decades old criteria MVP voters have already established. Also the stuff about AD being better, man why not just watch games before getting in the thick of it and calling people biased

edit Anyway so Jokic's team is now 10-7 so his case for MVP just got even stronger. At 8-9 no one is putting Luka atop their quarter season MVP rankings

LeBron has been taking it easy early in the season and has only recently been turning it up. After tonight's game LeBron > Davis is a fair take but disregarding AD's importance in the early stages of the season just to prop up LeBron feels disingenuous. It's a bit weak to say people should argue who they think the media will vote for MVP instead of arguing who we think should be the MVP. Funny you try to turn around the watch some games argument as well, guess the Bron stan digs hurt you and for that sorry I guess.

LeBron had 2 great games, everything else has been average for superstar standards, that's the reality.

Dupp · Post #299 » by **Dupp** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:58 am

Dutchball97 wrote:
donnieme wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
Who isn't? I don't understand why all these Bron stans are parading around here saying he should be MVP for sure without anything backing it up.

LeBron is only in the MVP convo because he's on the best team and he's not even the clear best player on his team so far. The season isn't over yet and LeBron is close enough he could still take it but claiming he's the favorite as of this moment sounds like someone who doesn't even bother watching basketball anymore.

I stan both Luka and Bron and I think you're wrong. Your posts actually show more prejudice on the matter than "Bron stans" show bias. Lebron has played at an MVP level. I hope Luka or Bron wins but this award has always unfairly been a best player on winningest team award. Why most legends don't win MVPs in their most statistical dominant year.

Those who have Bron atop their standings right now are only using the decades old criteria MVP voters have already established. Also the stuff about AD being better, man why not just watch games before getting in the thick of it and calling people biased

edit Anyway so Jokic's team is now 10-7 so his case for MVP just got even stronger. At 8-9 no one is putting Luka atop their quarter season MVP rankings

LeBron has been taking it easy early in the season and has only recently been turning it up. After tonight's game LeBron > Davis is a fair take but disregarding AD's importance in the early stages of the season just to prop up LeBron feels disingenuous. It's a bit weak to say people should argue who they think the media will vote for MVP instead of arguing who we think should be the MVP. Funny you try to turn around the watch some games argument as well, guess the Bron stan digs hurt you and for that sorry I guess.

ADs been chillin a lot more than lebron to start the season. Lebrons been better all season so far. Not by heaps but pretty clearly. Neither guy don’t anything spectacular over the course.

trickshot · Post #300 » by **trickshot** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:58 am

Dutchball97 wrote:
donnieme wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
Who isn't? I don't understand why all these Bron stans are parading around here saying he should be MVP for sure without anything backing it up.

LeBron is only in the MVP convo because he's on the best team and he's not even the clear best player on his team so far. The season isn't over yet and LeBron is close enough he could still take it but claiming he's the favorite as of this moment sounds like someone who doesn't even bother watching basketball anymore.

I stan both Luka and Bron and I think you're wrong. Your posts actually show more prejudice on the matter than "Bron stans" show bias. Lebron has played at an MVP level. I hope Luka or Bron wins but this award has always unfairly been a best player on winningest team award. Why most legends don't win MVPs in their most statistical dominant year.

Those who have Bron atop their standings right now are only using the decades old criteria MVP voters have already established. Also the stuff about AD being better, man why not just watch games before getting in the thick of it and calling people biased

edit Anyway so Jokic's team is now 10-7 so his case for MVP just got even stronger. At 8-9 no one is putting Luka atop their quarter season MVP rankings

LeBron has been taking it easy early in the season and has only recently been turning it up. After tonight's game LeBron > Davis is a fair take but disregarding AD's importance in the early stages of the season just to prop up LeBron feels disingenuous. It's a bit weak to say people should argue who they think the media will vote for MVP instead of arguing who we think should be the MVP. Funny you try to turn around the watch some games argument as well, guess the Bron stan digs hurt you and for that sorry I guess.

How could it hurt me when I'm openly a fan of Bron and Luka. Either way I win. From the outside looking in the thread your whole approach on this page looks immature, hence the point of putting it in quotations, instead of opening your mind to the possibility that his candidacy isn't some stans colluding to cheat the others out of the award. That's not constructive discussion. Also no one has downplayed AD. Narrative wise, AD started the season super slow, when the Lakers continued to win with and without him performing at a high level, I think that ironically strengthened Lebron's case in the minds of media members

edit Now that's constructive discussion not the "ya mad?, you're a stan" nonsense that gets threads locked

Who is the MVP so far?