2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4)

Madhouse · Post #281 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:48 pm

Wagner is much more impressive than I thought. There really isn't much to criticize for rookie standards.

I was actually looking up a stat yesterday where Barnes was the only rookie since 96 with at least 15/5/3 and less than 2 turnovers, and Franz has 14.9/4.7/2.8 and only 1.4 TOV. He should grab a couple more rebounds at 6-10 and the mid range percentages could improve but for a rookie he is very good.

Statlanta · Post #282 » by **Statlanta** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:32 pm

Madhouse wrote:Wagner is much more impressive than I thought. There really isn't much to criticize for rookie standards.

I was actually looking up a stat yesterday where Barnes was the only rookie since 96 with at least 15/5/3 and less than 2 turnovers, and Franz has 14.9/4.7/2.8 and only 1.4 TOV. He should grab a couple more rebounds at 6-10 and the mid range percentages could improve but for a rookie he is very good.

The answer to that has been our starting lineup is a two big lineup just like Cleveland with WCJ and Bamba there at least before COVID. He should get more run there with these lineups Mobley has been running these past few days.

basketballRob · Post #283 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:40 pm

Franz averaging 22 PPG 7 RPG over his last three games.

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mademan · Post #284 » by **mademan** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:38 pm

I really like Franz. I was hyping up all the big forwards in the Raps forums when everyone was gushing over Suggs. Big wings>guards every time unless that guard is extremely skilled.

zaymon · Post #285 » by **zaymon** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:56 pm

mademan wrote:I really like Franz. I was hyping up all the big forwards in the Raps forums when everyone was gushing over Suggs. Big wings>guards every time unless that guard is extremely skilled.

Suggs offense is dissapointing but his defense was propably better than advertised. His frame and athletecism is perfect for modern game. So many guards are viewed as empty stats/defensive liabilities but Suggs had positive impact on the floor even with his atrocious shooting and ball handling.
I am not worried with him. Elite perimeter defenders are becoming more and more valueable.

basketballRob · Post #286 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:27 pm

I still think Suggs will be a big-time scorer. His FT rate is nearly double what the other rookies are. He hasn't found the rythym on his shot but I still think he'll be a good shooter.

All 3pt shooters aren't the same. Some only shoot wide-open set shots at a low volume and Suggs has been taking 3 pt shots that he creates at a high volume.

We've also seen Suggs blow 2-3 layups per game because he's rushing. He only shoots 540 at the rim.

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srhcan · Post #287 » by **srhcan** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:28 pm

Wagner is not good if he takes too many shots. He should limit to max 15 shots per match to be efficient.

Yeezus_ · Post #288 » by **Yeezus_** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:41 pm

How's Wagner's defense? I've watched a few games but I cant tell lol. He looks slow laterally but has good IQ that helps him cover for that.

mademan · Post #289 » by **mademan** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:52 pm

zaymon wrote::nod:
mademan wrote:I really like Franz. I was hyping up all the big forwards in the Raps forums when everyone was gushing over Suggs. Big wings>guards every time unless that guard is extremely skilled.

Suggs offense is dissapointing but his defense was propably better than advertised. His frame and athletecism is perfect for modern game. So many guards are viewed as empty stats/defensive liabilities but Suggs had positive impact on the floor even with his atrocious shooting and ball handling.
I am not worried with him. Elite perimeter defenders are becoming more and more valueable.

eh. Neither is great, but weak offense great defense is worse than weak defense great offense from the guard spot.

thelead · Post #290 » by **thelead** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:00 pm

srhcan wrote:Wagner is not good if he takes too many shots. He should limit to max 15 shots per match to be efficient.

Have you seen the boxscores lately? We have like 4 of our normal 15 guys available right now. The rest of the roster is filled by replacement players that have no business taking on large roles. That leave Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke, and Robin Lopez to share the offensive load :lol:

BlazersBroncos · Post #291 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:14 pm

Can we unsticky this and rename it Barnes VS Wagner and create a new Rookie Thread?

Its been trash for like 5 pages now.

basketballRob · Post #292 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:22 pm

srhcan wrote:Wagner is not good if he takes too many shots. He should limit to max 15 shots per match to be efficient.

Wagner has been getting double-teamed the last couple games. He need to adjust and pass out more.

I think he'll have a high-volume, high-efficiency game soon.

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basketballRob · Post #293 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:24 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Can we unsticky this and rename it Barnes VS Wagner and create a new Rookie Thread?

Its been trash for like 5 pages now.

You're welcome to prop Bones up. The draft was so deep a lot of these guys could be future all-stars.

I haven't paid much attention to Hyland play yet but he's putting up great stats. He just turned 21 and is averaging 19 PPG per 36. That's higher almost all of the lottery picks.

Not sure any team picks better than Denver.

Read on Twitter

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Madhouse · Post #294 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:57 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Can we unsticky this and rename it Barnes VS Wagner and create a new Rookie Thread?

Its been trash for like 5 pages now.

Half of the good rookies are out right now but here is a nice Giddey reel from the last game,

Watch on YouTube

Played one of his best defensive games and the chemistry with Shai already stands out. Good to see.

perempe20 · Post #295 » by **perempe20** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:39 pm

Watch on YouTube

-can post up smaller players (1:00)
-10-foot floater (1:10)
-impressive left hand (1:30, 1:55!)
-got that 2 blocks within the last 15 seconds of the game

everdiso · Post #296 » by **everdiso** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:09 pm

Read on Twitter

HiRez · Post #297 » by **HiRez** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:16 pm

Rookie Tracker through Dec. 22. Wagner still flying under the radar somehow.

Vampirate · Post #298 » by **Vampirate** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:13 am

HiRez wrote:Rookie Tracker through Dec. 22. Wagner still flying under the radar somehow.

How does that rank each player?

HiRez · Post #299 » by **HiRez** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:14 am

Vampirate wrote:
HiRez wrote:Rookie Tracker through Dec. 22. Wagner still flying under the radar somehow.

How does that rank each player?

By Estimated Plus-Minus (EPM).

Madhouse · Post #300 » by **Madhouse** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:12 am

Sengun keeps delivering. Jalen Green 4 3s in his first game back so far.

Which three rookies impress you the most? (vote for up to 3)