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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves [UPDATED] 

Post#281 » by JujitsuFlip » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:48 am

KembaWalker wrote:Anyone know when the injury reserved typically get announced
Sabonis was named 2 days later last season for KD.
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Post#282 » by JujitsuFlip » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:51 am

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jbk1234 wrote:I'm happy for Garland, but he should really consider declining if he's missing games due to injury. He won't because the game has financial implications for guys on rookie contracts, but really should use the break to rest up.


I get that, in theory. But for a guy like Garland, getting on the court, practicing with all these dudes, and the confidence is gives young players? It’ll be a really big experience for him, I know Tatum and other young guys really hit another gear after making it the first time.

Edit: As long as he’s actually healthy.


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Post#283 » by KembaWalker » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:51 am

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Maverick41 wrote:I'm quite surprised Lamelo didn't make it.


Honestly I'm surprised he wasn't a strong candidate for the fan vote, and had he been strong for the fan vote, I think he might have made it here.

All this talk about how exciting LaMelo is and how that should factor into the all-star consideration really falls flat when the fans themselves really didn't make him come close.

Not that I don't think LaMelo is exciting - I think he is - nor that LaMelo wasn't a worthy candidate - because I think he was - but the fan vote clearly indicated that there wasn't any particular reason to force him into the game in the name of pleasing rabid fans. He really doesn't have the kind of mass fan support that, say, Trae Young had in his second year, whether people think that's right or not.


probably get in trouble if I'm too clear on this but lets just say America doesn't control the fan vote and the Balls aren't super liked where the fan votes come in from for obvious reasons
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves [UPDATED] 

Post#284 » by JustLucky » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:56 am

im low key happy allen didnt make it. Hes not there yet he was getting way too much hype because of record and the game being in Cleveland I dont think he should be the replacment either
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves [UPDATED] 

Post#285 » by INKtastic » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:57 am

jbk1234 wrote:I'm happy for Garland, but he should really consider declining if he's missing games due to injury. He won't because the game has financial implications for guys on rookie contracts, but really should use the break to rest up.


Being selected has implications, he doesn’t have to play. He’s an all star by being selecte.
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Post#286 » by Mr Puddles » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:57 am

G R E Y wrote:For those saying record matters, there were plenty of times Manu and Tony didn't get in when the Spurs had great records, so no 3 All-Stars.

Also,
Read on Twitter


I agree that far too much emphasis is placed on team record when making these selections but that tweet doesn't really strengthen your case. Booker was only an injury replacement in 2020 even though statistically speaking he was clearly superior to Mitchell and Westbrook that year, the two back-up guards selected ahead of him due to record.

It's not really an anomaly that players are left out due to team record. As an injury replacement, Murray has a strong case though.




* Side note to that "10th spot" remark. The Suns were in a virtual tie for the 8th spot that year - they were tied with Portland in the loss column and held the tie-breaker, but Portland got to play one more game due to covid causing the Suns the miss the playoffs.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves [UPDATED] 

Post#287 » by G R E Y » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:05 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
G R E Y wrote:For those saying record matters, there were plenty of times Manu and Tony didn't get in when the Spurs had great records, so no 3 All-Stars.

Also,
Read on Twitter


I agree that far too much emphasis is placed on team record when making these selections but that tweet doesn't really strengthen your case. Booker was only an injury replacement in 2020 even though statistically speaking he was clearly superior to Mitchell and Westbrook that year, the two back-up guards selected ahead of him due to record.

It's not really an anomaly that players are left out due to team record.





* Side note to that "10th spot" remark. The Suns were in a virtual tie for the 8th spot that year - they were tied with Portland in the loss column and held the tie-breaker, but Portland got to play one more game due to covid causing the Suns the miss the playoffs.

I think you're over parsing the tweet. It's really less about the intricacies of it than consistency of selection. DeMar flat out deserved to get selected last season but Conley got a 'have never been selected' selection by Silver and record was cited even though DeMar had a stronger season for us and had a far bigger role.
DJ is having an incredible season in year one of a rebuild so record expectation versus a team that is struggling despite stars (LAL, for example) isn't weighed properly, I think. Melo, Drew Green, Wiggins (?!?!?!) are weird, right?

Just no consistency.

Also, I don't think players who've been out with injuries should take up ANY votes. Just goes to show how much actual game goes into consideration...
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Post#288 » by JustLucky » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:11 am

People forget coaches select more on legacy and recent results then people realize. chris paul and a 7-7-7 guy just made it in the west because of championships and recent finals. Kyle lowry made it two years ago after coming off a championship with kind of low numbers for him. It makes sense defending champ Middleton also makes it over some upstart like allen or that hornet guy and fvv a former champ over ball. You gotta earn the coaches respect
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves [UPDATED] 

Post#289 » by Mr Puddles » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:13 am

G R E Y wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
G R E Y wrote:For those saying record matters, there were plenty of times Manu and Tony didn't get in when the Spurs had great records, so no 3 All-Stars.

Also,
Read on Twitter


I agree that far too much emphasis is placed on team record when making these selections but that tweet doesn't really strengthen your case. Booker was only an injury replacement in 2020 even though statistically speaking he was clearly superior to Mitchell and Westbrook that year, the two back-up guards selected ahead of him due to record.

It's not really an anomaly that players are left out due to team record.




* Side note to that "10th spot" remark. The Suns were in a virtual tie for the 8th spot that year - they were tied with Portland in the loss column and held the tie-breaker, but Portland got to play one more game due to covid causing the Suns the miss the playoffs.

I think you're over parsing the tweet. It's really less about the intricacies of it than consistency of selection. DeMar flat out deserved to get selected last season but Conley got a 'have never been selected' selection by Silver and record was cited even though DeMar had a stronger season for us and had a far bigger role.
DJ is having an incredible season in year one of a rebuild so record expectation versus a team that is struggling despite stars (LAL, for example) isn't weighed properly, I think. Melo, Drew Green, Wiggins (?!?!?!) are weird, right?

Just no consistency.

Also, I don't think players who've been out with injuries should take up ANY votes. Just goes to show how much actual game goes into consideration...


I agree with your overall point that there is no consistency in when team record plays a factor and when it doesn't. Zion's selection of last year comes to mind where the team record argument went straight out the window, and a selection was made purely based on stats.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves [UPDATED] 

Post#290 » by TheLand13 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:14 am

JustLucky wrote:im low key happy allen didnt make it. Hes not there yet he was getting way too much hype because of record and the game being in Cleveland I dont think he should be the replacment either


He's one of the best rim protecting centers in the league averaging a double double on insane efficiency.

In what way is he overrated?
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Post#291 » by Sothron » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:17 am

Lamelo Ball should have made it over FVV and Allen should have been the Cavs player not Garland.
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Post#292 » by SpreeS » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:18 am

Wow West is stacked. How would look this team if everyone would be healthy - Lillard, George, Kawhi, Zion, Davis…

F Jokic
F Lebron
F Kawhi
G Doncic
G Curry

F Gobert
F Davis
F George
G Booker
G Morant

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Post#293 » by durka » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:20 am

JustLucky wrote:People forget coaches select more on legacy and recent results then people realize. chris paul and a 7-7-7 guy just made it in the west because of championships and recent finals. Kyle lowry made it two years ago after coming off a championship with kind of low numbers for him. It makes sense defending champ Middleton also makes it over some upstart like allen or that hornet guy and fvv a former champ over ball. You gotta earn the coaches respect

Chris Paul is the best player on the best team in the league, terrible example.
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Post#294 » by TroubleS0me » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:23 am

Butler missed too many games to qualify
had Herro over him

Allen should have made it not Middleton
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Post#295 » by John Murdoch » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:25 am

Jafro snubbed..middleton cmon
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Post#296 » by JustLucky » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:29 am

TheLand13 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:im low key happy allen didnt make it. Hes not there yet he was getting way too much hype because of record and the game being in Cleveland I dont think he should be the replacment either


He's one of the best rim protecting centers in the league averaging a double double on insane efficiency.

In what way is he overrated?


I think hes fine I got siakiam sabonis middleton and miles bridges over him tho brown holiday and ball if were counting gaurds. hes overated because everyone predicted him to make it when he was clearly not deemed worthy by the coaches. i think thats the definition of overated. Garland was well deserved tho dont hate me Cleveland
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Post#297 » by yoyoboy » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:32 am

I honestly think people are overlooking the Harden selection. I truly don't know if he deserved to make it. Holiday for sure was a more worthy pick to me. Yeah, 22.5/10/8 is a sexy slashline and at 57.6% TS, he's scoring efficiently enough. But the Nets are a +0.93 SRS team. Do they truly deserve 2 All-Stars?

With Harden on the court, the Nets have just a +0.6 Net Rating. Barely positive! This is a dude who's spent 56% of his minutes on the court with Kevin Durant. 66% of his minutes have come with at least one of KD and Kyrie on the court with him. With KD off and Harden on, the Nets have a Net Rating of -0.47, largely because of a putrid 115.9 DRTG that Harden contributes to more than anybody else. If you've watched him at all this year, you'd see he has a case for arguably the worst defender in the league this season. Imo it's the worst defensive year of his career. He's not even trying to stay in front of guys at this point and it's leading to so much penetration from opposing guards.

Harden's O-RAPM of +0.81 this season ranks 126th in the league, which is 79th percentile. His D-RAPM of -0.55 ranks 479th, which is 19th percentile. The relation of the offensive/defensive splits of RAPM can be a little wonky; I'd say he's probably a bit better offensively than the metric is painting, but a fair bit worse defensively, as well.

Finally, I think a big reason why the Nets haven't been as impressive offensively as you would expect given the fact they're oozing talent is the fact that Harden's game doesn't scale well offensively with other stars. With Harden on and KD off, the Nets have a 115.4 ORTG. With KD on and Harden off, the Nets have a 114.9 ORTG. With both stars on, the Nets have a 114.3 ORTG. Looking at those numbers, the blame could easily go Durant's way as well, but from what I've watched, I think Harden's refusal to do anything at all off the ball and lack of a two-man game with KD is why the offense is largely the same with both on as it is with just one of them.
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Post#298 » by MrBigShot » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:35 am

I'd have given LaMelo the nod over FVV but all in all I think they got it right.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves [UPDATED] 

Post#299 » by yoyoboy » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:35 am

Sothron wrote:Lamelo Ball should have made it over FVV and Allen should have been the Cavs player not Garland.

Every Cavs fan is saying that Garland is undoubtedly the most important player to the team's success this year. The lineup data screams that this is the case, as well. Only people who hardly watch the Cavs - and/or are upset their team's favorite guard such as LaMelo didn't make it in place of DG - are saying Allen deserved it more than Garland. What does that tell you?
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Post#300 » by JustLucky » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:35 am

durka wrote:
JustLucky wrote:People forget coaches select more on legacy and recent results then people realize. chris paul and a 7-7-7 guy just made it in the west because of championships and recent finals. Kyle lowry made it two years ago after coming off a championship with kind of low numbers for him. It makes sense defending champ Middleton also makes it over some upstart like allen or that hornet guy and fvv a former champ over ball. You gotta earn the coaches respect

Chris Paul is the best player on the best team in the league, terrible example.


I mean so was kyle lowry at the time but people still cried. all about storylines sometimes. I mean he does deserve it

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