2023 trade deadline (February 9)

[djsunyc]

Something seems to have gone bad in Toronto. Last year the Raptors were a 48 win team. This year, with the same core roster and coaches, they are on pace to finish in the lottery with 36 wins. That type of downturn screams dissension and conflict that teams would be wise to avoid.

I would expect the Raptors to put the sources of conflict on the trade market, but I would also expect potential trade partners to moderate any offers. No one needs bad apples that can sabotage a winning team.

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What I see is a lot of guys who are unsubscribing from their team model because they think they are better than they actually are (e.g. Van Vleet thinking he's worth 30-35M, OG getting talked about as a star)

Now that being said, a contender or fringe contender adding FVV or OG would be huge because they would slot in accordingly (think FVV on the Clippers)

i also see a bunch of klutch clients - fvv, og, gtj and nick nurse.

[HotelVitale]

You're forgetting:

1) Raps have his bird rights & can re-sign him if they so choose
2) Raptors have the best record in the eastern conference in the last decade
3) Raptors don't have a bleak future, they have a top 20 player in Siakam, rookie of the year Scottie Barnes, an easy top 5 defensive player in OG who averages 18 pts & leads the league in steals, Gary Trent Jr, Achiuwa and all our picks going forward... All guys & picks they can bring back or deal to reshape the roster.
4) If things don't improve this season, currently in line for a top 6 draft pick
5) Bamba & Harris have very little trade value around the league, Magic would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for either, so NO we don't have to give Fred away for couple bench pieces from a team who has an even worse record that would have zero impact on our team.

You are sounding like Raptors are one of the best teams in the NBA lol. But the reality is totally opposite. Raptors are currently one of the worst teams in the NBA and their future is also not bright as of now. Magic has a much better future than them.
Raptors need a lot of talent on their roster. I think they should definitely trade Fred and Siakam, be a lottery team for a couple of seasons to replenish talent, and improve their drafting acumen as they have missed out on better players in recent drafts.

Dude you're exhausting to debate with. I never said the Raps are one of the best teams this year, it's obvious they're not. It doesn't mean that they don't have solid assets, which I've outlined in my previous post, and that those assets should/will return better then your scrub bench players which you had proposed... maybe try re-reading my post instead of continuing to spew generic drivel with zero substance.

I wouldn’t bother, a good chunk of realgm doesn’t seem to understand the basic FVV situation. Which is that the Raptors still need to be convinced in a trade to give away an almost-AS in his prime, and the fact that they also have to pay him next year is a factor here but not something forcing them to dump him. They’re in the position of power in negotiations and teams will need to entice them. Those teams also know that the contract situation (and the fact the TOR doesn’t necessarily want to mini-rebuild with Fred again) means that a guy like FVV is more available—and for a little cheaper than usual—but no one’s licking their chops and thinking this is a fire sale. And even if it were, there are like 22 teams who would love to take FVV so there’d be a fire auction that would get pretty expensive.

[Statlanta]

It would be stupid for the Mavericks to trade DFS, as per McMahon theorizes. He is basically the PJ Tucker for Luka Ball, probably the last piece to trade off that team besides Doncic himself.

[Statlanta]

Something seems to have gone bad in Toronto. Last year the Raptors were a 48 win team. This year, with the same core roster and coaches, they are on pace to finish in the lottery with 36 wins. That type of downturn screams dissension and conflict that teams would be wise to avoid.

I would expect the Raptors to put the sources of conflict on the trade market, but I would also expect potential trade partners to moderate any offers. No one needs bad apples that can sabotage a winning team.

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I don't see dissension I see the East as a whole getting better while the Raptors, and the much praised GM Ujiri stands pat.

It's like you said they kept everybody and thought they could just maintain excellence when all that does is give the entire league the scouting report on your franchise going forward.

[Jadoogar]

Mavericks obviously need to do something but i don't think they should go for a half measure this deadline (like Bogdonovic or something of that level). They need to clear this pick obligation to the knicks. This summer they will have access to all their picks and teams that disappoint in the playoffs may look to reset by trading their stars (like Siakam or KAT might be gettable in the summer).

Luka is so good that i think Mavs shouldn't care about their picks at this point and just focus on getting Luka a second 2 way star. Unfortunately, they are going to have to ride out this roster for this season and go star hunting in the summer.

[HotelVitale]

Mavericks obviously need to do something but i don't think they should go for a half measure this deadline (like Bogdonovic or something of that level). They need to clear this pick obligation to the knicks. This summer they will have access to all their picks and teams that disappoint in the playoffs may look to reset by trading their stars (like Siakam or KAT might be gettable in the summer).

Luka is so good that i think Mavs shouldn't care about their picks at this point and just focus on getting Luka a second 2 way star. Unfortunately, they are going to have to ride out this roster for this season and go star hunting in the summer.

What’s the trade you’re thinking of? Something like DFS, Powell, 3 1sts, and a swap for KAT?

[Jadoogar]

Mavericks obviously need to do something but i don't think they should go for a half measure this deadline (like Bogdonovic or something of that level). They need to clear this pick obligation to the knicks. This summer they will have access to all their picks and teams that disappoint in the playoffs may look to reset by trading their stars (like Siakam or KAT might be gettable in the summer).

Luka is so good that i think Mavs shouldn't care about their picks at this point and just focus on getting Luka a second 2 way star. Unfortunately, they are going to have to ride out this roster for this season and go star hunting in the summer.

What’s the trade you’re thinking of? Something like DFS, Powell, 3 1sts, and a swap for KAT?

I'm not sure exactly what the trade would be since i don't know which team will be looking to blow it up. But i can see a team flaming out in the playoffs and pulling a Utah style rebuild. Offering a Gobert level offer (picks based mostly) for an actual star. But what if the Clippers flame out and want to recover some of the picks they gave up?

[HotelVitale]

Mavericks obviously need to do something but i don't think they should go for a half measure this deadline (like Bogdonovic or something of that level). They need to clear this pick obligation to the knicks. This summer they will have access to all their picks and teams that disappoint in the playoffs may look to reset by trading their stars (like Siakam or KAT might be gettable in the summer).

Luka is so good that i think Mavs shouldn't care about their picks at this point and just focus on getting Luka a second 2 way star. Unfortunately, they are going to have to ride out this roster for this season and go star hunting in the summer.

What’s the trade you’re thinking of? Something like DFS, Powell, 3 1sts, and a swap for KAT?

I'm not sure exactly what the trade would be since i don't know which team will be looking to blow it up. But i can see a team flaming out in the playoffs and pulling a Utah style rebuild. Offering a Gobert level offer (picks based mostly) for an actual star. But what if the Clippers flame out and want to recover some of the picks they gave up?

Gotcha, yeah it’s pretty situational. Not something you can plan around but good idea to stay ready for it.

I’d also add that the Jazz got back a bunch of young players they were interested in—Lauri, Walker Kessler, Agbaji, etc—in addition to the picks. Mavs don’t have that, so gonna have to get lucky on both some teams torpedoing and the competition for their stars being kinda weak.

[mg]

It would be stupid for the Mavericks to trade DFS, as per McMahon theorizes. He is basically the PJ Tucker for Luka Ball, probably the last piece to trade off that team besides Doncic himself.

I doubt Ainge would part with his picks but if you could get Vando,filler+FRP for DFS that might be a win.
Vando has already proven he can play next to an offensive big such as KAT and should be able to play next to Wood. He's signed dirt cheap for another season. Adding a FRP for a future trade is nice too. Probably pie in the sky though. DFS can shoot a little bit so would be a better fit next to Kessler on paper but he's going to be 30 this spring.

[Jadoogar]

What’s the trade you’re thinking of? Something like DFS, Powell, 3 1sts, and a swap for KAT?

I'm not sure exactly what the trade would be since i don't know which team will be looking to blow it up. But i can see a team flaming out in the playoffs and pulling a Utah style rebuild. Offering a Gobert level offer (picks based mostly) for an actual star. But what if the Clippers flame out and want to recover some of the picks they gave up?

Gotcha, yeah it’s pretty situational. Not something you can plan around but good idea to stay ready for it.

I’d also add that the Jazz got back a bunch of young players they were interested in—Lauri, Walker Kessler, Agbaji, etc—in addition to the picks. Mavs don’t have that, so gonna have to get lucky on both some teams torpedoing and the competition for their stars being kinda weak.

Definitely, Mavs best young players are Jaden Hardy and Josh Green, not exactly world beaters. But Lauri himself wasn't considered such a hot commodity when that trade happened (and he was part of the Mitchell trade).

Gobert went for Kessler (#22 draft pick), Malik Beasley, Beverley, Bolmaro (idk who this is), Vanderbilt and4 picks, 1 swap. I think the Mavs have similar level of vets as Beasely/Vanderbilt and would just need to pony up the picks. Now they just need to determine who on the market is worth giving up that package for.

[NyKnicks1714]

Crazy prediction: Lauri Markkanen to Dallas for a treasure trove of picks.

[NyKnicks1714]

Mavericks obviously need to do something but i don't think they should go for a half measure this deadline (like Bogdonovic or something of that level). They need to clear this pick obligation to the knicks. This summer they will have access to all their picks and teams that disappoint in the playoffs may look to reset by trading their stars (like Siakam or KAT might be gettable in the summer).

Luka is so good that i think Mavs shouldn't care about their picks at this point and just focus on getting Luka a second 2 way star. Unfortunately, they are going to have to ride out this roster for this season and go star hunting in the summer.

What’s the trade you’re thinking of? Something like DFS, Powell, 3 1sts, and a swap for KAT?

Christian wood is like KAT*0.75. They're much better off extending him and not giving away their assets for KAT.

[Jadoogar]

Mavericks obviously need to do something but i don't think they should go for a half measure this deadline (like Bogdonovic or something of that level). They need to clear this pick obligation to the knicks. This summer they will have access to all their picks and teams that disappoint in the playoffs may look to reset by trading their stars (like Siakam or KAT might be gettable in the summer).

Luka is so good that i think Mavs shouldn't care about their picks at this point and just focus on getting Luka a second 2 way star. Unfortunately, they are going to have to ride out this roster for this season and go star hunting in the summer.

What’s the trade you’re thinking of? Something like DFS, Powell, 3 1sts, and a swap for KAT?

Christian wood is like KAT*0.75. They're much better off extending him and not giving away their assets for KAT.

i disagree on this line of thinking. That extra 25% is a huge difference in the playoffs.

That's before even getting into whether Wood is 75% of KAT. Quality > Quantity in the NBA

[HotelVitale]

I'm not sure exactly what the trade would be since i don't know which team will be looking to blow it up. But i can see a team flaming out in the playoffs and pulling a Utah style rebuild. Offering a Gobert level offer (picks based mostly) for an actual star. But what if the Clippers flame out and want to recover some of the picks they gave up?

Gotcha, yeah it’s pretty situational. Not something you can plan around but good idea to stay ready for it.

I’d also add that the Jazz got back a bunch of young players they were interested in—Lauri, Walker Kessler, Agbaji, etc—in addition to the picks. Mavs don’t have that, so gonna have to get lucky on both some teams torpedoing and the competition for their stars being kinda weak.

Definitely, Mavs best young players are Jaden Hardy and Josh Green, not exactly world beaters. But Lauri himself wasn't considered such a hot commodity when that trade happened (and he was part of the Mitchell trade).

Gobert went for Kessler (#22 draft pick), Malik Beasley, Beverley, Bolmaro (idk who this is), Vanderbilt and4 picks, 1 swap. I think the Mavs have similar level of vets as Beasely/Vanderbilt and would just need to pony up the picks. Now they just need to determine who on the market is worth giving up that package for.

Gobert has far less value than KAT, though. Hard to base any trade on that model since it was such a strange overpay for an aging, limited, massively expensive guy. Don’t think it maps on to any DAL trade well. But I do think DAL could have a solid offer with like 3 picks, swap or two, and some mix of youth and medium-sized contracts. (Teams might gamble on the Luka situation falling apart in another 3-4 years.)

Also while I know Lauri didn’t have huge value at trade time, the Jazz liked him and he and other young guys were absolutely key part of the value. The young guys were in my read a solid part of why they felt okay shifting from NYK to CLE, despite the future 1sts being shaky.

[ForeverTFC]

Crazy prediction: Lauri Markkanen to Dallas for a treasure trove of picks.

That can't happen this deadline. Mavs can't trade a treasure trove of picks until the off-season.

[wolves_89]

Apparently Bones Hyland is likely to get traded according to Marc Stein, and the T'Wolves are interested.
Bones for Slo Mo who says no?
I'd love to see Slo Mo and the Joker on the court together, ploddingly breaking other teams with their BBIQ

The Wolves say no very quickly and very definitively.

[hoosierdaddy34]

Sam Amico reporting Lakers and Hornets are talking Westbrook trade. Not sure how accurate Amico is but I know he’s been around a long time.

I can only assume, if true, it’s Westbrook for Rozier/Hayward.

Lakers would flip the deck, Hornets dump 50 million in salary through 23-24 season. And Jordan likes Westbrook. We will see if I’m right in that.

[Kalela]

Crazy prediction: Lauri Markkanen to Dallas for a treasure trove of picks.

Was it him who was hanging out for Dirk last summer? Anyway I can see this happening.

[NyKnicks1714]

Crazy prediction: Lauri Markkanen to Dallas for a treasure trove of picks.

That can't happen this deadline. Mavs can't trade a treasure trove of picks until the off-season.

They can't trade 25,27,29 1sts with 24,26,28 right-to-swaps?

[Dan Z]

Crazy prediction: Lauri Markkanen to Dallas for a treasure trove of picks.

That can't happen this deadline. Mavs can't trade a treasure trove of picks until the off-season.

They could give up their 2025 pick and beyond, but I don't see why the Jazz would do it. Lauri is an all-star on a good contract and the Jazz already have a lot of future picks.