WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers

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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#281 » by Harry Garris » Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:35 pm

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zshawn10 wrote:What are the Wizards doing? What am I missing with Rui?


He hasn't been a very efficient offensive player. Very streaky 3 point shooter and he doesn't really playmake for others or get to the rim either. His best skill is mid range shooting so he's kind of a dinosaur offensively.

Is KD , Kyrie and Kawhi dinosaurs offensively? I swear some of you let this analytic BS cloud your judgement. I can name countless champions that used mid range to succeed. It’s only this “special” area where mid range is useless. This is crazy to me.


There's a lot of context that you're missing here. The issue is not with the midrange shot, the issue is from the many other inefficiencies that stem from having role players take mid range shots.

It's not an inefficiency for a star player who has the ball in their hands already and is a threat to both score or create plays for others to take mid range shots. They are not hurting your offenses' ability to threaten the rim or threaten creating an open look for a good shooter by having the ball in their hands. And if they can make that mid range shot at a decent clip, yes it can be a good shot. Especially against a set defense in the half court.

What's not good offense is having a role player who doesn't have the ball handling or playmaking skill to really threaten the defense in any meaningful way take mid range shots. It's not *just* because 3s or shots at the rim are more efficient, you have the added issues of the ball being in the hands of a non-playmaker which means if one of his teammates gets open he's not going to be able to get them the ball in a good opportunity to score, and he's also clogging up the paint which prevents guys from diving to the rim on cuts or crashing the boards and getting offensive rebounds.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#282 » by Liam_Gallagher » Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:41 pm

G - Dennis the Menice
G - PatBev
F - LaBron James
F - Rui
C - AD

with a bench of Russ, Lonnie, Austin, Troy Brown, Wenyen, and Thomas Bryant.

Very solid. All they need to do is trade Russ, Lonnie and two firsts for Hield, Duarte, and Turner. Then they're championship contenders overnight.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#283 » by magee » Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:00 pm

His size will only help if he takes his game up a level on defense. They can get away with him being in the "dunker" position when spacing the floor and find ways to get him looks occasionally off the ball. The main thing will be to get the ball in his hands and force his hand right away. He still takes too long making decisions. There's a difference being playing at one's own tempo (Doncic and Jokic) and taking that extra second to make a read.

I don't see him sticking around long-term with LA unless he takes a small deal, just because his cap hit is so high. Otherwise, I hope to see that all he needed was a change of scenery from a team who has almost a third of their roster with guys who had his similar size and skill sets on offense.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#284 » by Memories » Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:03 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:G - Dennis the Menice
G - PatBev
F - LaBron James
F - Rui
C - AD

with a bench of Russ, Lonnie, Austin, Troy Brown, Wenyen, and Thomas Bryant.

Very solid. All they need to do is trade Russ, Lonnie and two firsts for Hield, Duarte, and Turner. Then they're championship contenders overnight.


Lakers aren’t trading their first round picks for that. It would have been done already if so. Plus the Pacers hate the Lakers. They ain’t helping them out for anything. It’s been well documented.

It’s gonna be more of these kinda smaller deals that the Lakers will make. Nothing big or crazy like that.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#285 » by KokoKaizer » Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:10 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:G - Dennis the Menice
G - PatBev
F - LaBron James
F - Rui
C - AD

with a bench of Russ, Lonnie, Austin, Troy Brown, Wenyen, and Thomas Bryant.

Very solid. All they need to do is trade Russ, Lonnie and two firsts for Hield, Duarte, and Turner. Then they're championship contenders overnight.


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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#286 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:23 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:G - Dennis the Menice
G - PatBev
F - LaBron James
F - Rui
C - AD

with a bench of Russ, Lonnie, Austin, Troy Brown, Wenyen, and Thomas Bryant.

Very solid. All they need to do is trade Russ, Lonnie and two firsts for Hield, Duarte, and Turner. Then they're championship contenders overnight.


Lakers aren’t going to move a first at the deadline. They are going to save their capital for this summer when they can offer 3 firsts for a bigger name player.

If they make another move, it will be another around the edges type move. Since cap space for this summer is mostly shot with Rui extension, I could see them moving a couple of their expirings for a longer term deal that helps more with a team interested in clearing cap space. This might open the door on a guy like Rozier being considered.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#287 » by Homer38 » Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:07 pm

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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#288 » by Ayt » Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:09 pm

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Wow. So he got more minutes when he was playing well? Shocking.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#289 » by Up-And-Coming » Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:21 pm

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:G - Dennis the Menice
G - PatBev
F - LaBron James
F - Rui
C - AD

with a bench of Russ, Lonnie, Austin, Troy Brown, Wenyen, and Thomas Bryant.

Very solid. All they need to do is trade Russ, Lonnie and two firsts for Hield, Duarte, and Turner. Then they're championship contenders overnight.


Lakers aren’t going to move a first at the deadline. They are going to save their capital for this summer when they can offer 3 firsts for a bigger name player.

If they make another move, it will be another around the edges type move. Since cap space for this summer is mostly shot with Rui extension, I could see them moving a couple of their expirings for a longer term deal that helps more with a team interested in clearing cap space. This might open the door on a guy like Rozier being considered.


The Lakers reportedly already offered a first round pick for Bogdanovic but just refused to have it unprotected. I think they've shown a willingness to deal a first but it just has to be the right deal. If it's a younger player they're trading for I believe they would send an unprotected first and I think they ultimately will make another deal by the deadline.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#290 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:55 pm

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Liam_Gallagher wrote:G - Dennis the Menice
G - PatBev
F - LaBron James
F - Rui
C - AD

with a bench of Russ, Lonnie, Austin, Troy Brown, Wenyen, and Thomas Bryant.

Very solid. All they need to do is trade Russ, Lonnie and two firsts for Hield, Duarte, and Turner. Then they're championship contenders overnight.


Lakers aren’t going to move a first at the deadline. They are going to save their capital for this summer when they can offer 3 firsts for a bigger name player.

If they make another move, it will be another around the edges type move. Since cap space for this summer is mostly shot with Rui extension, I could see them moving a couple of their expirings for a longer term deal that helps more with a team interested in clearing cap space. This might open the door on a guy like Rozier being considered.


The Lakers reportedly already offered a first round pick for Bogdanovic but just refused to have it unprotected. I think they've shown a willingness to deal a first but it just has to be the right deal. If it's a younger player they're trading for I believe they would send an unprotected first and I think they ultimately will make another deal by the deadline.


I found it, it was a Buha report but seems to be smoke to me. I seriously doubt they actually pull a trigger on something like that. I would be shocked.

I think more likely is a move for a guy like Rozier for expiring deals and non-first compensation if Charlotte decides to clear the books.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#291 » by Liam_Gallagher » Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:07 pm

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
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Lakers aren’t going to move a first at the deadline. They are going to save their capital for this summer when they can offer 3 firsts for a bigger name player.

If they make another move, it will be another around the edges type move. Since cap space for this summer is mostly shot with Rui extension, I could see them moving a couple of their expirings for a longer term deal that helps more with a team interested in clearing cap space. This might open the door on a guy like Rozier being considered.


The Lakers reportedly already offered a first round pick for Bogdanovic but just refused to have it unprotected. I think they've shown a willingness to deal a first but it just has to be the right deal. If it's a younger player they're trading for I believe they would send an unprotected first and I think they ultimately will make another deal by the deadline.


I found it, it was a Buha report but seems to be smoke to me. I seriously doubt they actually pull a trigger on something like that. I would be shocked.

I think more likely is a move for a guy like Rozier for expiring deals and non-first compensation if Charlotte decides to clear the books.


A 1st for Bogdonovic is risky, he's about to turn 34. I don't see the Rozier fit - Jeanie likes Schroder and he fits well with LeBron and AD. Rozier only makes sense if WB is in the deal and honestly I prefer WB.

Another solid trade is Bev+Walker+1st for Nikola Vucevic. It gives the Lakers a dominant front court - LeBron, AD, Rui, Bryant, and Vuc.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#292 » by Kilroy » Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:32 pm

BigDan245 wrote:People are gonna laugh, but the Lakers aren't far away from contending in the west...The west is dog**** this year. Might be the worst I've ever seen it. Every team is live and a trade away from having a real shot.


IF AD comes back and plays like he did before he got injured...
IF Rui steps in, finds a role and flourishes...
IF Westbrook can continue to play his part and not be a blackhole...
IF LeBron doesn't break down...
IF all the surprising young role players continue to hit their shots at a good clip...
IF Schroeder continues to be a gem...

Yeah, we could go deep in the West... And all that said, the Rui trade was a low risk gamble...
And all those things fall somewhere on the better than 50/50 scale...

So who knows...
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#293 » by Up-And-Coming » Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:34 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:
hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
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The Lakers reportedly already offered a first round pick for Bogdanovic but just refused to have it unprotected. I think they've shown a willingness to deal a first but it just has to be the right deal. If it's a younger player they're trading for I believe they would send an unprotected first and I think they ultimately will make another deal by the deadline.


I found it, it was a Buha report but seems to be smoke to me. I seriously doubt they actually pull a trigger on something like that. I would be shocked.

I think more likely is a move for a guy like Rozier for expiring deals and non-first compensation if Charlotte decides to clear the books.


A 1st for Bogdonovic is risky, he's about to turn 34. I don't see the Rozier fit - Jeanie likes Schroder and he fits well with LeBron and AD. Rozier only makes sense if WB is in the deal and honestly I prefer WB.

Another solid trade is Bev+Walker+1st for Nikola Vucevic. It gives the Lakers a dominant front court - LeBron, AD, Rui, Bryant, and Vuc.


I think Gary Trent Jr may be a name to look out for. 24 years old upcoming free agent, Raptors are struggling and reportedly have him on the top of their available assets and he’s a Klutch client. Raptors still have to re-sign VanVleet as well and I think that may be why he’s available.

Even if Rui re-signs Lakers will still likely have enough cap space to just sign GTJ outright in the off-season but they may want to secure him earlier if possible. We’ll see if there’s mutual interest but I still see one more deal for a shooting wing a la Josh Richardson, Alec Burks, Bojan, GTJ or maybe Buddy Hield if the deal makes sense.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#294 » by xchange55 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:11 am

I don't watch Rui on a regular basis. But I do know he used to be a starter, lost that role on a bad team, and the team doens't want so sign him long term. And also while concurrently wanting to extend Kuzma.

So lots of red flags there. LAL fans are delusional thinking he will be a difference maker. Remember they had the same optimism for Nunn who got shipped out.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#295 » by KyRo23 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:12 am

xchange55 wrote:I don't watch Rui on a regular basis. But I do know he used to be a starter, lost that role on a bad team, and the team doens't want so sign him long term. And also while concurrently wanting to extend Kuzma.

So lots of red flags there. LAL fans are delusional thinking he will be a difference maker. Remember they had the same optimism for Nunn who got shipped out.


This isn't really comparable. Nunn got hurt and was out for a season+. It's not like Nunn went from playing great in Miami to trash in LA for no reason.
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#296 » by John Murdoch » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:52 am

I think his ceiling is Tobias Harris
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#297 » by NO-KG-AI » Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:10 am

I don't think this meaningfully shifts anything this year, but they got at least a pretty good reclamation candidate and guy with some talent and youth for almost nothing.

The Lakers actually use non lotto picks very well, so it is a lot of 2nd rounders, but I'd like this trade for most teams, and I like it for a team that needs a youth injection bad. No risk, medium to high upside.
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Post#299 » by The Laker Kid » Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:38 am

They will still lose to Clippers and Hornets
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Re: WOJ BOMB: Hachimura to Lakers 

Post#300 » by Up-And-Coming » Wed Jan 25, 2023 6:11 am

Revived wrote:The Lakers desire for Wizards players is pretty interesting. Westbrook, Brown Jr, Bryant and now Hachimura.

One more 2 guard from them and they can have an all-Wiz lineup on the court at times.


Pelinka has a good relationship with their front office and Tommy Sheppard absolutely fleeced the Lakers on that Russ trade so I don’t blame him for continuing to answer the Lakers calls.

With that said I’m hopeful the Lakers at least didn’t get robbed on this deal :lol:

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