Cade Cunningham - Any Concerns?

[NYPiston]

Ausar and Duren are the players worth a damn. Ausar has been flat out unbelievable, I said in game thread, with marketing, that kid could be ROY, but it seems like ROY race runners were set before season even started.

Duren is not a good player either. He has some flashes but he just doesn't play winning basketball right now, overrated defensively and not much more than a dunk/put back guy on offense. He's only 19 so that's fine but he's all potential and little substance right now. Ausar actually plays winning basketball even at this early part of his career which is beyond impressive especially considering the dumpster fire surrounding him but he hasn't been immersed into the losing culture yet so I fear that he'll also regress (like Cade and all the other young guys) the longer the Pistons lose which could be for a very long time.

They need to do what the Rockets did this offseason and overpay a vet or two. Still early but Van Vleet has made a big impact on their roster. Can't win in this league with all young players, you need some legit vet players/leaders to flank them.

[CptCrunch]

One aspect that isn't brought up is that when Cade is doubled or tripled on a drive, he coughs up the ball at alarming rates. Teams do this because it works and that's because Cade either can't or refuses to read the situation. Cade's reaction is to split the double or bounce ball between a gap. I'm sure Cade leads the league in passes leading to kick balls.

A good point guard either back out or swing the ball out. Why would an opposing coach not run this play when Cade's ball security is like that of a friendly 2 year old holding a chocolate bar.

Hayes: 57 assist, 11 tov for 5.2 ast to tov
Cade: 88 assist, 60 tov for 1.5 ast to tov

Hayes is 3.5x more efficient playing with the same team. Cade had this exact issue in college and the exact same excuse was spacing. Perhaps his play doesn't lead to better spacing and improved shot quality.

[Cavsfansince84]

Major concerns about Cade and everything to do with Det as an organization. It feels a lot like what Sacramento was for the last 40 years outside of the brief window where they competed for about 5 years.

[hippesthippo]

Ausar and Duren are the players worth a damn. Ausar has been flat out unbelievable, I said in game thread, with marketing, that kid could be ROY, but it seems like ROY race runners were set before season even started.

Duren is not a good player either. He has some flashes but he just doesn't play winning basketball right now, overrated defensively and not much more than a dunk/put back guy on offense. He's only 19 so that's fine but he's all potential and little substance right now. Ausar actually plays winning basketball even at this early part of his career which is beyond impressive especially considering the dumpster fire surrounding him but he hasn't been immersed into the losing culture yet so I fear that he'll also regress (like Cade and all the other young guys) the longer the Pistons lose which could be for a very long time.

They need to do what the Rockets did this offseason and overpay a vet or two. Still early but Van Vleet has made a big impact on their roster. Can't win in this league with all young players, you need some legit vet players/leaders to flank them.

I was a big fan of his before the draft. Besides his other-worldly athleticism, he looked like a player that knew how to contribute to winning basketball.

It's hard to argue that Cade has regressed. He played the exact same way on a loser team in college as well.

The Pistons do have Monte Morris and Bojan... if they ever come back healthy. I've completely lost track of where they are on the injury timeline, but having some healthy vets that can shoot could make things more interesting.

I'd like to see them play more like OKC is right now: aggressive defense, chasing turnovers, and getting some easy baskets in transition. It'd be a much better fit for Ivey as well. Ausar, Ivey, Cade... whoever gets the rebound or forces the turnover immediately leading the fast break with Stew/Bojan/Morris/whoever is healthy not far behind ready for an open catch and shoot opportunity, or Duren/Bagley running to the rim for an oop.

If I never have to see another minute from James Wiseman or Killian Hayes as a Piston, I'd be 100% ok with that.

We've seen it in spurts with Ausar, but I feel like Monty has the team playing with a mentality that is far too conservative for a team with as much youth and athleticism as the Pistons have. Force feeding everything through Cade is not the answer.

[Invictus88]

I think it just comes down to Cade trying to do too much with too little. He'd drastically cut down on his turnovers and missed shots if he just took what the defense was giving him.

His turnovers are trying to force the ball in places he shouldn't or dribbling into double and triple teams. His missed shots are mostly of the difficult variety which he takes too many of.

[bargs4mvp]

Cade is averaging the same TS% as Killian Hayes. One is considered a massive bust with no offensive ability and the other is considered an elite prospect

It’s wild cause I’ll watch piston games and think killian looked decent and the pistons board is having a melt down acting like he’s the worst player in the nba and Cade is a super star while looking outright terrible. I can’t make any sense of it


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[Jadoogar]

Cade is averaging the same TS% as Killian Hayes. One is considered a massive bust with no offensive ability and the other is considered an elite prospect

It’s wild cause I’ll watch piston games and think killian looked decent and the pistons board is having a melt down acting like he’s the worst player in the nba and Cade is a super star while looking outright terrible. I can’t make any sense of it


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lol look at your username and you'll understand.
How long did we take to admit Bargnani wasn't good? I'm not saying Cade is bargnani but it's very hard for a fanbase to admit when their prized prospect isn't living up to the hype.

[Time for Change]

Cade is averaging the same TS% as Killian Hayes. One is considered a massive bust with no offensive ability and the other is considered an elite prospect

It’s wild cause I’ll watch piston games and think killian looked decent and the pistons board is having a melt down acting like he’s the worst player in the nba and Cade is a super star while looking outright terrible. I can’t make any sense of it


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lol look at your username and you'll understand.
How long did we take to admit Bargnani wasn't good? I'm not saying Cade is bargnani but it's very hard for a fanbase to admit when their prized prospect isn't living up to the hype.

The elation of finally winning the lottery after years of bad teams. The slight disappointment of it being a weak draft class, but even though there was no LeBron or Duncan type available the conviction you’d still get a future all-star to boost your fortunes. Underwhelming rookie campaign with flashes of talent. Then 2-3 years in you’re still in the lottery, and a few realistic fans start posting well reasoned criticisms on the team board and get labeled as haters. Then the realization that every post you make about your player involves an excuse, he’s still young, he’s needs time to adjust, he’s injured, his teammates are injured, the coach isn’t using him right, the team isn’t constructed properly etc.. Maybe all legit, but other players in tough situations from his draft class are playing better. Management starts force feeding the player unearned minutes to boost his numbers to justify the pick.

Raps fans went through all of this with Bargnani, and I’m seeing a lot of similarities.

[JackTalkThai]

There are concerns but surrounding a player like Cade with a bunch of non-shooters who are unable to spread the floor and allow him to work without constant double teams, is a recipe for disaster. And that’s exactly what Detroit’s doing right now.

[firedavidkahn]

One aspect that isn't brought up is that when Cade is doubled or tripled on a drive, he coughs up the ball at alarming rates. Teams do this because it works and that's because Cade either can't or refuses to read the situation. Cade's reaction is to split the double or bounce ball between a gap. I'm sure Cade leads the league in passes leading to kick balls.

A good point guard either back out or swing the ball out. Why would an opposing coach not run this play when Cade's ball security is like that of a friendly 2 year old holding a chocolate bar.

Hayes: 57 assist, 11 tov for 5.2 ast to tov
Cade: 88 assist, 60 tov for 1.5 ast to tov

Hayes is 3.5x more efficient playing with the same team. Cade had this exact issue in college and the exact same excuse was spacing. Perhaps his play doesn't lead to better spacing and improved shot quality.

If we're expecting Cade to become elite, he needs to learn to overcome this though. All the best players in the league have to deal with what you described.

[Exp0sed]

Ausar and Duren are the players worth a damn. Ausar has been flat out unbelievable, I said in game thread, with marketing, that kid could be ROY, but it seems like ROY race runners were set before season even started.

Duren is not a good player either. He has some flashes but he just doesn't play winning basketball right now, overrated defensively and not much more than a dunk/put back guy on offense. He's only 19 so that's fine but he's all potential and little substance right now. Ausar actually plays winning basketball even at this early part of his career which is beyond impressive especially considering the dumpster fire surrounding him but he hasn't been immersed into the losing culture yet so I fear that he'll also regress (like Cade and all the other young guys) the longer the Pistons lose which could be for a very long time.

They need to do what the Rockets did this offseason and overpay a vet or two. Still early but Van Vleet has made a big impact on their roster. Can't win in this league with all young players, you need some legit vet players/leaders to flank them.

the Rockets are winning games because they got rid of some awful players and mostly because Sengun has taken the 3rd year leap and is playing like a high impact all-star and even borderline 3rd All-NBA. adding FVV def helped some as well and so has the slight interna growth from some of their young guys but it's mostly Sengun doing star things. they are winning games because they have an actual legit first option and a good one at that.

[Godymas]

https://thunderousintentions.com/2021/07/27/okc-thunder-offered-sga-cade-cunningham/

remember this deal?

good lord, at one point it was SGA + Josh Giddey for Cade Cunningham

[AChand90]

Cade Cunningham last six games:

25.5 points
7.5 assists
4.0 rebounds
1.5 steals

44 FG%
44% 3PT (5.7 atts)
97 FT% ( 5.5 atts)
57 TS%