Wembanyama. I'm concerned

[zimpy27]

I think we should appreciate Wemby as a DPOY talent.

With a stronger playmaker leader I could see Wemby having a reduced offensive role (20ppg) and putting up 60%+ TS between lobs and occasional open 3s.

DPOY candidate every year, starting now.

25-28ppg scorer on decent efficiency starting when they get a real PG and and clean up his shot diet.

Basically (of course barring injury) a walking MVP for 12-14 years.

I think decent efficency at 25-28ppg is not going to happen. What Porzingis is doing this year is a good target.

Something like this would be great for Wemby:
20.4ppg on 61.2% TS, 32% on 5 3s a game, 6 FTA a game, 60% on 9 shots within 16ft a game (includes 2 dunks).

[SNPA]

I think we should appreciate Wemby as a DPOY talent.

With a stronger playmaker leader I could see Wemby having a reduced offensive role (20ppg) and putting up 60%+ TS between lobs and occasional open 3s.

DPOY candidate every year, starting now.

25-28ppg scorer on decent efficiency starting when they get a real PG and and clean up his shot diet.

Basically (of course barring injury) a walking MVP for 12-14 years.

I think decent efficency at 25-28ppg is not going to happen. What Porzingis is doing this year is a good target.

Something like this would be great for Wemby:
20.4ppg on 61.2% TS, 32% on 5 3s a game, 6 FTA a game, 60% on 9 shots within 16ft a game (includes 2 dunks).

He floats in his threes. Once he stops jumping A to B and only takes the good ones he’ll improve his percentage. A real PG gets him 6-10 high efficiency points a game on lobs, breaks and post setups. Add decent free throw shooting and I see a mid-high 20’s scorer on solid efficiency. We’ll see how it goes. To me it’s shot diet, not skillset that’s the issue on offense.

[JustBuzzin]

I feel sorry the NBA put him in San Antonio.

He should have been in Charlotte with LaMelo and Bridges. That could have been a OKC like turnaround.

The NBA have been screwing Charlotte for years with big man we missed out on Shaq/Dwight/AD now Wemby.smh

[zimpy27]

DPOY candidate every year, starting now.

25-28ppg scorer on decent efficiency starting when they get a real PG and and clean up his shot diet.

Basically (of course barring injury) a walking MVP for 12-14 years.

I think decent efficency at 25-28ppg is not going to happen. What Porzingis is doing this year is a good target.

Something like this would be great for Wemby:
20.4ppg on 61.2% TS, 32% on 5 3s a game, 6 FTA a game, 60% on 9 shots within 16ft a game (includes 2 dunks).

He floats in his threes. Once he stops jumping A to B and only takes the good ones he’ll improve his percentage. A real PG gets him 6-10 high efficiency points a game on lobs, breaks and post setups. Add decent free throw shooting and I see a mid-high 20’s scorer on solid efficiency. We’ll see how it goes. To me it’s shot diet, not skillset that’s the issue on offense.

He just doesn't have the self-creation skills to get into that 25-28 range unless it's with sub-55% TS efficiency.

Even with a good PG setting him up, the PG is likely going to be able to setup non-Victor players for better looks IMO.

[Miami_Lux]

Also want to add Wemby vs Holmgren's plus/minus numbers: Wemby is at-114; Holmgren is at+73

[PushDaRock]

Just for reference, look at some of the names mentioned in this thread. Here are the numbers for LeBron and Durant in their first season.

LeBron: 42/29/75 with a 48.8 TS
Durant: 43/29/87 with a 51.9% TS

He's a rookie, relax.

Lebron and Durant's numbers were in a much different NBA. Lebron's in particular was FAR different. Just check the leading scorers from 2004. Everyone stunk with efficiency due to hand checking and the newly implemented zone defense. Hand checking was abolished after that year.

Lebron and KD as rookies in todays nba would light it up.

Even Luka only put up a 54% TS in his rookie year, it's very hard to come in on a bad team and be an efficient scorer on high volume.

[PushDaRock]

DPOY candidate every year, starting now.

25-28ppg scorer on decent efficiency starting when they get a real PG and and clean up his shot diet.

Basically (of course barring injury) a walking MVP for 12-14 years.

I think decent efficency at 25-28ppg is not going to happen. What Porzingis is doing this year is a good target.

Something like this would be great for Wemby:
20.4ppg on 61.2% TS, 32% on 5 3s a game, 6 FTA a game, 60% on 9 shots within 16ft a game (includes 2 dunks).

He floats in his threes. Once he stops jumping A to B and only takes the good ones he’ll improve his percentage. A real PG gets him 6-10 high efficiency points a game on lobs, breaks and post setups. Add decent free throw shooting and I see a mid-high 20’s scorer on solid efficiency. We’ll see how it goes. To me it’s shot diet, not skillset that’s the issue on offense.

He's shooting 74% at the rim, I think I would be a bit more concerned if he was actually struggling to finish there. With better teammates and his own expected improvement, he should be able to get a ton of shots there along with getting to the FT line more where he's a good FT shooter. I would agree that his shot selection is not the best right now and he settles for a lot of shots he doesn't need to.

[Yoshun]

Also want to add Wemby vs Holmgren's plus/minus numbers: Wemby is at-114; Holmgren is at+73

Plus/minus is impacted by several factors. Wemby is on a really bad team, Chet is on a good one. Everyone on the Spurs has a bad plus/minus, check out the starting lineup.

Not to take anything from Chet, I'm a fan and he's been excellent, but having guys like SGA and Giddy to create offense for you and run the show is a huge help. SGA is putting up an MVP caliber season so far.

[Kineto]

Also want to add Wemby vs Holmgren's plus/minus numbers: Wemby is at-114; Holmgren is at+73

Wemby is at -114 when SA is -201 as a team
Holmgren is +73 when OKC is +136 as a team.

This sound more like cherry picking stat that a really usefull metric to judge those two players...

[Miami_Lux]

Also want to add Wemby vs Holmgren's plus/minus numbers: Wemby is at-114; Holmgren is at+73

Wemby is at -114 when SA is -201 as a team
Holmgren is +73 when OKC is +136 as a team.

This sound more like cherry picking stat that a really usefull metric to judge those two players...

plus minus measures how a team performs while a certain player is on the court. it seems that the Spurs are not better as a team when Wemby is on the floor while OKC is better when Holmgren is. I don t even know what a team plus minus is supposed to indicate. That s not what the statistic is for.

[RoyceDa59]

I still believe he’ll become the best player in the league.

[SNPA]

I still believe he’ll become the best player in the league.

Well founded believe.

[og15]

Also want to add Wemby vs Holmgren's plus/minus numbers: Wemby is at-114; Holmgren is at+73

Certainly if Wemby was on OKC, taking better shots and with a better team his +/- would be better too. Not really a reasonable comparison to use +/-

[og15]

Also want to add Wemby vs Holmgren's plus/minus numbers: Wemby is at-114; Holmgren is at+73

Wemby is at -114 when SA is -201 as a team
Holmgren is +73 when OKC is +136 as a team.

This sound more like cherry picking stat that a really usefull metric to judge those two players...

plus minus measures how a team performs while a certain player is on the court. it seems that the Spurs are not better as a team when Wemby is on the floor while OKC is better when Holmgren is. I don t even know what a team plus minus is supposed to indicate. That s not what the statistic is for.

If a team sucks in general, then almost every player on the team will have bad +/-, you don’t really have a positive +/- playing big minutes on a very bad team, how would that make sense?

You have to understand what you are citing, that’s not an individual comparison stat. SGA was -7.9 and -6.8 in +/- in 20-21 and 21-22, did that mean he was worse or less impactful than Lou Williams who was +1.7 and +0.6 those seasons, you tell me? Does that mean he had less impact than 19-20 when he was +2.7 on a winning OKC team? What do you think?

The Spurs are -11.7 when he’s in the court, yes, but they are an even worse -14.6 when he’s off the court. Plus minus of a player on a tanking team compared to a player on a playoff aspiring team is a useless comparison.

[RSP83]

Sure. Want to trade him for Zach Lavine? I'll throw in the rest of the Bulls roster for free.

[Mbrahv0528]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay, way, WAY too soon for posts like this. What is your angle here? Small sample sizes mean DICK, nada, nothing, ZILCH. At least wait an entire season before posting this craziness.

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[JordansBulls]

Not a lot make the playoffs in year 1. Lebron ñor KD did.

[KembaWalker]

I wasn't concerned until Pop had his little moment. I'm not sure he's being developed by someone that has all their faculties intact

[og15]

I wasn't concerned until Pop had his little moment. I'm not sure he's being developed by someone that has all their faculties intact

The internet just loves ageism. People don't just get older and automatically become mentally incompetent, it's wild how people so easily just suggest that it's some declining mental ability issue whenever someone old does something different.

[hardenASG13]

I think decent efficency at 25-28ppg is not going to happen. What Porzingis is doing this year is a good target.

Something like this would be great for Wemby:
20.4ppg on 61.2% TS, 32% on 5 3s a game, 6 FTA a game, 60% on 9 shots within 16ft a game (includes 2 dunks).

He floats in his threes. Once he stops jumping A to B and only takes the good ones he’ll improve his percentage. A real PG gets him 6-10 high efficiency points a game on lobs, breaks and post setups. Add decent free throw shooting and I see a mid-high 20’s scorer on solid efficiency. We’ll see how it goes. To me it’s shot diet, not skillset that’s the issue on offense.

He just doesn't have the self-creation skills to get into that 25-28 range unless it's with sub-55% TS efficiency.

Even with a good PG setting him up, the PG is likely going to be able to setup non-Victor players for better looks IMO.

Do you think Giannis had much better self creation skills, factoring in player development for Wemby? What were seeing is his floor in that department. I think he can absolutely become a top tier scorer, like Giannis.