NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

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Who is leading the race for MVP? (players listed in alphabetical order)

Giannis Antetokounmpo
35
12%
Luka Doncic
24
8%
Anthony Edwards
2
1%
Joel Embiid
45
16%
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
50
18%
Tyrese Haliburton
0
No votes
Nikola Jokic
98
35%
Kawhi Leonard
6
2%
Jayson Tatum
13
5%
Other (Durant, Booker, Curry, Brunson, Sabonis, Fox, LeBron, Etc.)
10
4%
 
Total votes: 283

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Post#281 » by Jaqua92 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:24 am

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Wolfgang630 wrote:It ain’t looking good for Embiid on Wednesday

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Would be hilarious if Jokic rests that game, I wonder if Sixers fans will disregard 9 years of avoiding Denver because "See, Jokic didn't play in Philly this one year!" instead of saying "Wow, this sucks as the fan of a great matchup"...

Not to worry though, they play each other again 11 days later, in Denver! Wonder if they'll both play, it's not a B2B for either of them then...


Bumping my post - hope Jokic sits ONCE in his career in Philly, to let Sixers fans see the BS Nuggets fans had to put up with :lol:


Teams are really sticking it to the schedulers.

So many meaningful games are on back to backs. I don't get it.
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Post#282 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:41 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
And he's got no history of ducking games or inconvenient injuries. If he's out, he's legitimately hurt. That's the difference.



Wrong... Your whole narrative is complete bs on Embiid. You were torn apart on Reddit. You said you would come back with data and never did. The data you did present lacked all context. It was hilarious to see. The fact that you're still trying to push this narrative is puzzling...


I am banned on the sixers subreddit, so how would you like me to respond to the guys requesting data?

"Torn apart on reddit" by people with Sixers flairs lol. I already posted the analysis of non-sixers fans (60/40 agreeing) - you can easily extract data on reddit btw.

So "torn apart" by Sixers fans who got personal with their insults instead of attacking the data...and literal threats against not just me but my 1 year old son (LOL) from nerds online? Well reasoned individuals who love the anonymity.

Fact #1: In 10 years in the NBA, Embiid has made the trip to Denver TWICE. This is FACT.

Once again without context. Here are the actual facts. Some of those he was out the whole year, two he had covid, others, he was nursing an actual injury where he missed other games. There are 1 or 2 games that are questionable, but keep going with your fake narrative.

Fact #2. In the last 5 MVP candidate years, Embiid has missed road games at a 2:1 ratio vs. home games...and this is almost a full season worth of missed games. This is FACT.

Nobody cares, prior to him missing games the majority of voters this year had his as the MVP, which shows how much they don't give a crap about this stuff that you keep touting. If Embiid can stay above the 65 game limit (unlikely at this point) he'll be right in the running. If not, oh well...

Fact #3: Embiid plays OBJECTIVELY, SIGNIFICANTLY worse at elevation (Utah and Denver). Want the numbers? Sure!

In the 5 games he's played at elevation:
@ Denver: 38.5% shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 5 turnovers
@ Denver: 35.3% shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 8 turnovers
@Utah: 31.3% shooting | 5 fouls, 3 turnovers
@Utah: 53% (Woohoo!) shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 4 turnovers
@Utah: 50% (Wohoo!) shooting | 2 fouls, 2 turnovers [Actually a great game here!]

So he's played at elevation 5 times in his career | Fouled out in 3 of them

THIS IS OBJECTIVE FACT. HE PLAYS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE THAN HIS GREAT PLAY WHEN HE IS AT ELEVATION. He shoots 41.9% from the field which is significantly worse than his play anywhere else. Even worse? He can't keep up - he fouls out at a 60% (!) pace...

Sample game of 6 games is hardly a sample size. I love how you basically have to find fouls and turnovers in the Utah games because there is nothing else to nitpick with. Once again manufacturing bs.

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Post#283 » by Cubbies2120 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:56 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

Wrong... Your whole narrative is complete bs on Embiid. You were torn apart on Reddit. You said you would come back with data and never did. The data you did present lacked all context. It was hilarious to see. The fact that you're still trying to push this narrative is puzzling...


I am banned on the sixers subreddit, so how would you like me to respond to the guys requesting data?

"Torn apart on reddit" by people with Sixers flairs lol. I already posted the analysis of non-sixers fans (60/40 agreeing) - you can easily extract data on reddit btw.

So "torn apart" by Sixers fans who got personal with their insults instead of attacking the data...and literal threats against not just me but my 1 year old son (LOL) from nerds online? Well reasoned individuals who love the anonymity.

Fact #1: In 10 years in the NBA, Embiid has made the trip to Denver TWICE. This is FACT.

Once again without context. Here are the actual facts. Some of those he was out the whole year, two he had covid, others, he was nursing an actual injury where he missed other games. There are 1 or 2 games that are questionable, but keep going with your fake narrative.

Fact #2. In the last 5 MVP candidate years, Embiid has missed road games at a 2:1 ratio vs. home games...and this is almost a full season worth of missed games. This is FACT.

Nobody cares, prior to him missing games the majority of voters this year had his as the MVP, which shows how much they don't give a crap about this stuff that you keep touting. If Embiid can stay above the 65 game limit (unlikely at this point) he'll be right in the running. If not, oh well...

Fact #3: Embiid plays OBJECTIVELY, SIGNIFICANTLY worse at elevation (Utah and Denver). Want the numbers? Sure!

In the 5 games he's played at elevation:
@ Denver: 38.5% shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 5 turnovers
@ Denver: 35.3% shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 8 turnovers
@Utah: 31.3% shooting | 5 fouls, 3 turnovers
@Utah: 53% (Woohoo!) shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 4 turnovers
@Utah: 50% (Wohoo!) shooting | 2 fouls, 2 turnovers [Actually a great game here!]

So he's played at elevation 5 times in his career | Fouled out in 3 of them

THIS IS OBJECTIVE FACT. HE PLAYS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE THAN HIS GREAT PLAY WHEN HE IS AT ELEVATION. He shoots 41.9% from the field which is significantly worse than his play anywhere else. Even worse? He can't keep up - he fouls out at a 60% (!) pace...

Sample game of 6 games is hardly a sample size. I love how you basically have to find fouls and turnovers in the Utah games because there is nothing else to nitpick with. Once again manufacturing bs.



Nothing else to nitpick?
Did you miss the 31, 35 and 38% shooting games?

Jokic had the worst 2 game stretch of his career, HIS CAREER, and he shot 31% in those 2 games. Had a total of 7 turnovers in those games.We had a few pages of the MVP thread dissecting those performances...

Jokic's worst 2 game stretch > 60% of Embiid's games at elevation lol.
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Post#284 » by PennSports » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:57 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
And he's got no history of ducking games or inconvenient injuries. If he's out, he's legitimately hurt. That's the difference.



Wrong... Your whole narrative is complete bs on Embiid. You were torn apart on Reddit. You said you would come back with data and never did. The data you did present lacked all context. It was hilarious to see. The fact that you're still trying to push this narrative is puzzling...


I am banned on the sixers subreddit, so how would you like me to respond to the guys requesting data?

"Torn apart on reddit" by people with Sixers flairs lol. I already posted the analysis of non-sixers fans (60/40 agreeing) - you can easily extract data on reddit btw.

So "torn apart" by Sixers fans who got personal with their insults instead of attacking the data...and literal threats against not just me but my 1 year old son (LOL) from nerds online? Well reasoned individuals who love the anonymity.

Fact #1: In 10 years in the NBA, Embiid has made the trip to Denver TWICE. This is FACT.

Fact #2. In the last 5 MVP candidate years, Embiid has missed road games at a 2:1 ratio vs. home games...and this is almost a full season worth of missed games. This is FACT.

Fact #3: Embiid plays OBJECTIVELY, SIGNIFICANTLY worse at elevation (Utah and Denver). Want the numbers? Sure!

In the 5 games he's played at elevation:
@ Denver: 38.5% shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 5 turnovers
@ Denver: 35.3% shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 8 turnovers
@Utah: 31.3% shooting | 5 fouls, 3 turnovers
@Utah: 53% (Woohoo!) shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 4 turnovers
@Utah: 50% (Wohoo!) shooting | 2 fouls, 2 turnovers [Actually a great game here!]

So he's played at elevation 5 times in his career | Fouled out in 3 of them

THIS IS OBJECTIVE FACT. HE PLAYS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE THAN HIS GREAT PLAY WHEN HE IS AT ELEVATION. He shoots 41.9% from the field which is significantly worse than his play anywhere else. Even worse? He can't keep up - he fouls out at a 60% (!) pace...


take embiids advice and try to monetize this

this is far too much energy spent on a guy you dont like or root for for free

Real shocker you are banned on a sixers site but im not sure why you mentioned that. Im sure that was all good faith arguments and you got banned by mistake.
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Post#285 » by Cubbies2120 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:06 am

POTENTIAL GAMES AT ELEVATION (UTAH, DENVER) FOR EMBIID: 20
GAMES PLAYED AT ELEVATION (UTAH, DENVER) FOR EMBIID: 5

------------------------------------------------------------------------

We can split this into two different categories:
Category 1: Extended injury absence (This is once of the annual injuries where he's out for a few weeks)
Category 2: Selective sitting (This is where a game is selected to 'rest', where he played both the game prior AND the game after this strategic rest session)


Category 2, Exhibit A:
Embiid plays @Portland, plays 34 minutes
Rest Day
Embiid skips @Denver
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 1

Category 2, Exhibit B:
Embiid plays @San Antonio, plays 37 minutes
TWO Rest Days
Embiid skips @Denver
TWO Rest Days
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 2

Category 2, Exhibit C:
Embiid plays @Sacramento, plays 29 minutes
TWO Rest Days
Embiid skips @Utah
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 3

Category 2, Exhibit D:
Embiid plays @Indiana, plays 28minutes
THREE Rest Days
Embiid skips @Utah
Rest Day
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 4

Category 2, Exhibit E:
Embiid plays @Phoenix, plays 36 minutes
Rest Day
Embiid skips @Utah
Rest Day
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 5

He missed 25% of all elevation games with Category 2 (remember, STRATEGIC REST DAYS - meaning he could have selected the game prior or after to do it).

Just COINCIDENTALLY these were the elevation games. And it has nothing to do with his horrible play at elevation.
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Post#286 » by Cubbies2120 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:11 am

PennSports wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

Wrong... Your whole narrative is complete bs on Embiid. You were torn apart on Reddit. You said you would come back with data and never did. The data you did present lacked all context. It was hilarious to see. The fact that you're still trying to push this narrative is puzzling...


I am banned on the sixers subreddit, so how would you like me to respond to the guys requesting data?

"Torn apart on reddit" by people with Sixers flairs lol. I already posted the analysis of non-sixers fans (60/40 agreeing) - you can easily extract data on reddit btw.

So "torn apart" by Sixers fans who got personal with their insults instead of attacking the data...and literal threats against not just me but my 1 year old son (LOL) from nerds online? Well reasoned individuals who love the anonymity.

Fact #1: In 10 years in the NBA, Embiid has made the trip to Denver TWICE. This is FACT.

Fact #2. In the last 5 MVP candidate years, Embiid has missed road games at a 2:1 ratio vs. home games...and this is almost a full season worth of missed games. This is FACT.

Fact #3: Embiid plays OBJECTIVELY, SIGNIFICANTLY worse at elevation (Utah and Denver). Want the numbers? Sure!

In the 5 games he's played at elevation:
@ Denver: 38.5% shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 5 turnovers
@ Denver: 35.3% shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 8 turnovers
@Utah: 31.3% shooting | 5 fouls, 3 turnovers
@Utah: 53% (Woohoo!) shooting | 6 fouls [fouled out], 4 turnovers
@Utah: 50% (Wohoo!) shooting | 2 fouls, 2 turnovers [Actually a great game here!]

So he's played at elevation 5 times in his career | Fouled out in 3 of them

THIS IS OBJECTIVE FACT. HE PLAYS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE THAN HIS GREAT PLAY WHEN HE IS AT ELEVATION. He shoots 41.9% from the field which is significantly worse than his play anywhere else. Even worse? He can't keep up - he fouls out at a 60% (!) pace...


take embiids advice and try to monetize this

this is far too much energy spent on a guy you dont like or root for for free

Real shocker you are banned on a sixers site but im not sure why you mentioned that. Im sure that was all good faith arguments and you got banned by mistake.


Have no issues with Embiid himself tbh, I've said many times if he wasn't a foul baiter he'd potentially be the best player in the league in the playoffs.

I do have issues with the fans who won't acknowledge the foul baiting, and pretend it's not happening...and pretend like he doesn't have massive shortcomings. It's like trying to pretend reality isn't real...
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Post#287 » by GrandTheftRondo » Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:14 am

Jaqua92 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:
Sig worthy material...as if a January game by Embiid is ANY kind of statement.

Embiid got the better of Jokic in a matchup that resulted in MVP, and his perception is worse than last year XD.

There is no last laugh for Embiid until he does it in the post season.



You mean like Tatum and the Celtics in the post season? They have come up small in the finals over and over again, and just paid Jaylen Brown $300 Million dollars to learn how to dribble to his left.

They look great now, post season and we'll see how their offense is 3 point heavy once again.


They've been to 1 finals. Tatum has had quite a few big close out games/games facing elimination. They've been fine.

But you doing alright?

Imagine trying to troll a Celtics fan for their mid 20s duo getting to the finals and ECF multiple times in the era that was meant to be dominated by the Sixers and their amazing process. The very team that hasn’t gotten past the second round since the Bush administration. :lol:

Good lord the delusion and lack of self awareness.
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Post#288 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:44 am

GrandTheftRondo wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

You mean like Tatum and the Celtics in the post season? They have come up small in the finals over and over again, and just paid Jaylen Brown $300 Million dollars to learn how to dribble to his left.

They look great now, post season and we'll see how their offense is 3 point heavy once again.


They've been to 1 finals. Tatum has had quite a few big close out games/games facing elimination. They've been fine.

But you doing alright?

Imagine trying to troll a Celtics fan for their mid 20s duo getting to the finals and ECF multiple times in the era that was meant to be dominated by the Sixers and their amazing process. The very team that hasn’t gotten past the second round since the Bush administration. :lol:

Good lord the delusion and lack of self awareness.


You can laugh all you want but the Celtics have been falling flat on their face season after season in trying to win a chip. Tatum and Brown don't have it. Jrue is over the hill, and Porizingis can break down at any moment. The only team they are dominant against in the playoffs is the Sixers.

As for Philly, once again you forget Embiid's injuries, Doc Rivers, James Harden, Ben Simmons... All those played a large role. The Celtics have basically been handed one way ticket to a chip, and they couldn't take advantage... They have also done this with no drama, no major injures, no coaching changes, no teammates shrinking to elementary basketball capabilities, nada.
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Post#289 » by GrandTheftRondo » Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:45 am

eyeatoma wrote:
GrandTheftRondo wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:
They've been to 1 finals. Tatum has had quite a few big close out games/games facing elimination. They've been fine.

But you doing alright?

Imagine trying to troll a Celtics fan for their mid 20s duo getting to the finals and ECF multiple times in the era that was meant to be dominated by the Sixers and their amazing process. The very team that hasn’t gotten past the second round since the Bush administration. :lol:

Good lord the delusion and lack of self awareness.


You can laugh all you want but the Celtics have been falling flat on their face season after season in trying to win a chip. Tatum and Brown don't have it. Jrue is over the hill, and Porizingis can break down at any moment. The only team they are dominant against in the playoffs is the Sixers.

As for Philly, once again you forget Embiid's injuries, Doc Rivers, James Harden, Ben Simmons... All those played a large role. The Celtics have basically been handed one way ticket to a chip, and they couldn't take advantage... They have also done this with no drama, no major injures, no coaching changes, no teammates shrinking to elementary basketball capabilities, nada.

Ah yes. The Celtics have had no injuries, coaching changes, team drama etc.

Talk about absolute horse **** posting
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Post#290 » by Wolfgang630 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:46 am

Yeah a Sixers fans should not be talking about the Celtics lol
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Post#291 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:38 am

GrandTheftRondo wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Imagine trying to troll a Celtics fan for their mid 20s duo getting to the finals and ECF multiple times in the era that was meant to be dominated by the Sixers and their amazing process. The very team that hasn’t gotten past the second round since the Bush administration. :lol:

Good lord the delusion and lack of self awareness.


You can laugh all you want but the Celtics have been falling flat on their face season after season in trying to win a chip. Tatum and Brown don't have it. Jrue is over the hill, and Porizingis can break down at any moment. The only team they are dominant against in the playoffs is the Sixers.

As for Philly, once again you forget Embiid's injuries, Doc Rivers, James Harden, Ben Simmons... All those played a large role. The Celtics have basically been handed one way ticket to a chip, and they couldn't take advantage... They have also done this with no drama, no major injures, no coaching changes, no teammates shrinking to elementary basketball capabilities, nada.

Ah yes. The Celtics have had no injuries, coaching changes, team drama etc.

Talk about absolute horse **** posting



What injuries during the playoffs did they have?

Yeah they lost Ime, my bad, forgot about that, did they have a player say he won't shoot? Did they have one who didn't want to play for a coach?

How about outside the playoffs, did the Celtics have a GM who posted on social media **** on their star player with burners? Did the league step in and take out one of the best basketball GMs of the decade? Did they have a 1st round pick who forgot how to shoot, and then one who just refused to shoot? Did they have an organization that let their player play through torn meniscus during the regular season, only to realize that he was hurt, and then shut him down?

Did they have a player who broke their oribital bone twice, tore a meniscus, tore a finger ligament, and had a sprained lcl during the playoffs, all in seperate playoff series?

Are you really trying to compare the **** that Embiid has had to deal with compared to the Celtics. And my post was horse ****? LMAO
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Post#292 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:44 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:Yeah a Sixers fans should not be talking about the Celtics lol



Riiight the Knicks have it all figured out...
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Post#293 » by Wolfgang630 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:49 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:Yeah a Sixers fans should not be talking about the Celtics lol



Riiight the Knicks have it all figured out...

The Knicks have been disappointing since the 90’s. You’re not going to hear me praising them lol
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Post#294 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:52 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:POTENTIAL GAMES AT ELEVATION (UTAH, DENVER) FOR EMBIID: 20
GAMES PLAYED AT ELEVATION (UTAH, DENVER) FOR EMBIID: 5

------------------------------------------------------------------------

We can split this into two different categories:
Category 1: Extended injury absence (This is once of the annual injuries where he's out for a few weeks)
Category 2: Selective sitting (This is where a game is selected to 'rest', where he played both the game prior AND the game after this strategic rest session)


Category 2, Exhibit A:
Embiid plays @Portland, plays 34 minutes
Rest Day
Embiid skips @Denver
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 1

Category 2, Exhibit B:
Embiid plays @San Antonio, plays 37 minutes
TWO Rest Days
Embiid skips @Denver
TWO Rest Days
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 2

Category 2, Exhibit C:
Embiid plays @Sacramento, plays 29 minutes
TWO Rest Days
Embiid skips @Utah
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 3

Category 2, Exhibit D:
Embiid plays @Indiana, plays 28minutes
THREE Rest Days
Embiid skips @Utah
Rest Day
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 4

Category 2, Exhibit E:
Embiid plays @Phoenix, plays 36 minutes
Rest Day
Embiid skips @Utah
Rest Day
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 5

He missed 25% of all elevation games with Category 2 (remember, STRATEGIC REST DAYS - meaning he could have selected the game prior or after to do it).

Just COINCIDENTALLY these were the elevation games. And it has nothing to do with his horrible play at elevation.


So, this is something I've been thinking about lately, and I'm glad you enumerated it as you did.

This really might be a Sickle Cell Disease-related thing, in which case it might actually be dangerous for Embiid to go play at high elevation. If this is the case, I'd like to think he, his team, and the league would be open and honest about the situation - it really isn't anyone's fault - but it's possible that in the name of caution they're just trying to keep it quiet. If there's a possibility that Embiid will be at a massive disadvantage in some cities for potential playoff series, it's understandable why some may want to keep the information from getting used against Embiid's team.

I think we're all so used to simply evaluating guys averaged out over all situations as best we can, but a disease like this could lead to a situation where Player A is the best player in the world at lower altitudes, but literally unable to play at higher altitudes.

To be clear, I'm no medical expert, and I certainly hope that Embiid isn't getting pushed to do something that's dangerous for him by people who see him failing to do it as a moral failing.
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Post#295 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:57 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:POTENTIAL GAMES AT ELEVATION (UTAH, DENVER) FOR EMBIID: 20
GAMES PLAYED AT ELEVATION (UTAH, DENVER) FOR EMBIID: 5

------------------------------------------------------------------------

We can split this into two different categories:
Category 1: Extended injury absence (This is once of the annual injuries where he's out for a few weeks)
Category 2: Selective sitting (This is where a game is selected to 'rest', where he played both the game prior AND the game after this strategic rest session)


Category 2, Exhibit A:
Embiid plays @Portland, plays 34 minutes
Rest Day
Embiid skips @Denver
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 1

Category 2, Exhibit B:
Embiid plays @San Antonio, plays 37 minutes
TWO Rest Days
Embiid skips @Denver
TWO Rest Days
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 2

Category 2, Exhibit C:
Embiid plays @Sacramento, plays 29 minutes
TWO Rest Days
Embiid skips @Utah
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 3

Category 2, Exhibit D:
Embiid plays @Indiana, plays 28minutes
THREE Rest Days
Embiid skips @Utah
Rest Day
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 4

Category 2, Exhibit E:
Embiid plays @Phoenix, plays 36 minutes
Rest Day
Embiid skips @Utah
Rest Day
Embiid plays next game

Dodge Count: 5

He missed 25% of all elevation games with Category 2 (remember, STRATEGIC REST DAYS - meaning he could have selected the game prior or after to do it).

Just COINCIDENTALLY these were the elevation games. And it has nothing to do with his horrible play at elevation.


So, this is something I've been thinking about lately, and I'm glad you enumerated it as you did.

This really might be a Sickle Cell Disease-related thing, in which case it might actually be dangerous for Embiid to go play at high elevation. If this is the case, I'd like to think he, his team, and the league would be open and honest about the situation - it really isn't anyone's fault - but it's possible that in the name of caution they're just trying to keep it quiet. If there's a possibility that Embiid will be at a massive disadvantage in some cities for potential playoff series, it's understandable why some may want to keep the information from getting used against Embiid's team.

I think we're all so used to simply evaluating guys averaged out over all situations as best we can, but a disease like this could lead to a situation where Player A is the best player in the world at lower altitudes, but literally unable to play at higher altitudes.

To be clear, I'm no medical expert, and I certainly hope that Embiid isn't getting pushed to do something that's dangerous for him by people who see him failing to do it as a moral failing.


Interesting take, and it would be wild if it were true, and I can understand Embiid and the team wanting to keep it under wraps. The more logical explanation is the following:

He is a 280-300 lb 7 foot 2 behemoth. He has struggled with his conditioning. Studies have shown that when you are laboring, you are more prone to injuries. When you are nursing an injury and then taking a flight it's not good for recovery. After that playing in high altitute weather is also not a good idea.

Also, not sure how much validity your theory has. The Sixer held their training camp this year in Denver. I would asusme they would not do that if he had sickle cell disease, seeing that there is no team they are hiding anything from.

Many of these earlier games that Embiid played he was a different player. He was less efficient, more turnover prone, made boneheaded mistakes and was in poor shape. The last two years he is legitimately playing like the best player in the league atleast during the regular season. As mentioned before he missed 2 games in the past due to a prolonged abscense, where he had missed games before and after Denver. He also had covid two seperate times they were playing Denver.
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Post#296 » by AussieCeltic » Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:03 am

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You can laugh all you want but the Celtics have been falling flat on their face season after season in trying to win a chip. Tatum and Brown don't have it. Jrue is over the hill, and Porizingis can break down at any moment. The only team they are dominant against in the playoffs is the Sixers.

As for Philly, once again you forget Embiid's injuries, Doc Rivers, James Harden, Ben Simmons... All those played a large role. The Celtics have basically been handed one way ticket to a chip, and they couldn't take advantage... They have also done this with no drama, no major injures, no coaching changes, no teammates shrinking to elementary basketball capabilities, nada.

Ah yes. The Celtics have had no injuries, coaching changes, team drama etc.

Talk about absolute horse **** posting



What injuries during the playoffs did they have?

Yeah they lost Ime, my bad, forgot about that, did they have a player say he won't shoot? Did they have one who didn't want to play for a coach?

How about outside the playoffs, did the Celtics have a GM who posted on social media **** on their star player with burners? Did the league step in and take out one of the best basketball GMs of the decade? Did they have a 1st round pick who forgot how to shoot, and then one who just refused to shoot? Did they have an organization that let their player play through torn meniscus during the regular season, only to realize that he was hurt, and then shut him down?

Did they have a player who broke their oribital bone twice, tore a meniscus, tore a finger ligament, and had a sprained lcl during the playoffs, all in seperate playoff series?

Are you really trying to compare the **** that Embiid has had to deal with compared to the Celtics. And my post was horse ****? LMAO


Maybe sit the playoff talk out champ.

If there is one fan base who shouldn’t talk smack about playoff performances it’s Sixer fans.

It’s funny how you deem Tatum/Brown failures for not winning a championship by age 26, yet your 2x MVP hasn’t even reached a 2nd round by age 29.

Oh and btw. KP has played more games than Embiid this year. If anyone could break down at any stage, it’s definitely Embiid.
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Post#297 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:11 am

AussieCeltic wrote:
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GrandTheftRondo wrote:Ah yes. The Celtics have had no injuries, coaching changes, team drama etc.

Talk about absolute horse **** posting



What injuries during the playoffs did they have?

Yeah they lost Ime, my bad, forgot about that, did they have a player say he won't shoot? Did they have one who didn't want to play for a coach?

How about outside the playoffs, did the Celtics have a GM who posted on social media **** on their star player with burners? Did the league step in and take out one of the best basketball GMs of the decade? Did they have a 1st round pick who forgot how to shoot, and then one who just refused to shoot? Did they have an organization that let their player play through torn meniscus during the regular season, only to realize that he was hurt, and then shut him down?

Did they have a player who broke their oribital bone twice, tore a meniscus, tore a finger ligament, and had a sprained lcl during the playoffs, all in seperate playoff series?

Are you really trying to compare the **** that Embiid has had to deal with compared to the Celtics. And my post was horse ****? LMAO


Maybe sit the playoff talk out champ.

If there is one fan base who shouldn’t talk smack about playoff performances it’s Sixer fans.

It’s funny how you deem Tatum/Brown failures for not winning a championship by age 26, yet your 2x MVP hasn’t even reached a 2nd round by age 29.

Oh and btw. KP has played more games than Embiid this year. If anyone could break down at any stage, it’s definitely Embiid.



Say everything you want, but you don't actually have a response to what I said. The truth is, no, the Celtics have not dealt with an ounce of the **** the Sixers have dealt with.

Porzingis is a walking injury, worse than Embiid, nobody buys him being healthy, might be able to say the same about Embiid, one is performing like a top 30 player when he plays, the other plays like the best player in the world.

Oh yes, Brown and Tatum are so young. Funny, that doesnt' seem to be what i hear every time there is a Celtics collapse on your board. More like Tatum is a fraud and people can't believe that Brown got that contract.
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Post#298 » by TinmanZBoy » Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:21 am

Embiid is going to kill Joker tonight… and poll shift for a few days until Embiid’s next DNP
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Post#299 » by Mrakar » Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:44 am

Makes no sense for Embiid to miss game against Nuggets. Jokic is jogging trough the season and doesnt care about stats. If anything Embiid can make his case stronger. Not to mention he is getting close to that 17 games missed mark.
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Post#300 » by AleksandarN » Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:29 am

Just going to leave this tweet here. (Yes I know he didn't play in 9 4th quarters) lol

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