Nick Nurse Is Overrated

[Johnny Bball]

Either Morey or Nurse are overrated.

The Celtics have won in the past without either of the Jays playing.

Now granted Philly have a bog average squad with no depth, but whose fault is that ?

Regardless its obvious Philly fans have been sold a lemon.

At this point I would keep Nurse on but fire Daryl Morey. Most overrated GM in NBA history.

This is what happens when you jestison your depth cap space for Paul George, who is injury prone and not reliable. Said it then, will say it again, bad decisions. It was pretty much punting on this year.

But Nurse is very overrated, and the locker room chatter being public is par for the course. He'll lose that room soon enough.

[cupcakesnake]

Nick Nurse is a top 2 coach in this league.

You're holding up the tiniest scrap of negativity and being like: is this heavier than the mountain of evidence that Nurse is a great coach?

The answer is no.

I guess they don’t make Top 2 coaches like they used to.

The Sixers having a season from hell due to injuries doesn't really shape my opinion on coaching ability. You've been bumping this thread for a year now, and your only coaching analysis is the results regardless of whether or not the Sixers problem have been coaching.

A lot has changed in a year, and while I still think Nurse is a fantastic strategist, there are other coaches who have been more impressive lately. If I made a list now, I'd have Nurse further down the list. There hasn't been much of an opportunity to assess Nurse's coaching strategy on a team that is built around injured stars.

I don't get your Nurse obsession. Why have you been bumping this thread for so long?

[DLoMor]

Hey, guess which coach has his team in last place in the entire NBA?

Worst coach in the NBA along with Ty Lue. They both got lucky stars carried them to a championship and extended their careers by like 20 years.

Rubbish Lue is a championship coach who gets so damn much out of a rather limited and injury struck roster.

One could argue that he is the Clippers most valuable asset (more than any other player)

Philly have had injuries but no way should they have started the season 2-12

What has Lue done since a conference finals? Nothing, clippers would be better without him. We all know that Lebron carried him.

[doogie_hauser]

Nick Nurse is a top 2 coach in this league.

You're holding up the tiniest scrap of negativity and being like: is this heavier than the mountain of evidence that Nurse is a great coach?

The answer is no.

I guess they don’t make Top 2 coaches like they used to.

The Sixers having a season from hell due to injuries doesn't really shape my opinion on coaching ability. You've been bumping this thread for a year now, and your only coaching analysis is the results regardless of whether or not the Sixers problem have been coaching.

A lot has changed in a year, and while I still think Nurse is a fantastic strategist, there are other coaches who have been more impressive lately. If I made a list now, I'd have Nurse further down the list. There hasn't been much of an opportunity to assess Nurse's coaching strategy on a team that is built around injured stars.

I don't get your Nurse obsession. Why have you been bumping this thread for so long?

Nurse reminds of Larry Brown in many ways, a very polarising and controversial coach.

Some of your comments make sense, but a 2-12 is worthy of discussion of the coach.

The team chemistry and morale at Philly right now is a mess (which to be fair, Nurse has little control over that)

[Jabroni Lames]

Nick Nurse is a top 2 coach in this league.

You're holding up the tiniest scrap of negativity and being like: is this heavier than the mountain of evidence that Nurse is a great coach?

The answer is no.

I guess they don’t make Top 2 coaches like they used to.

The Sixers having a season from hell due to injuries doesn't really shape my opinion on coaching ability. You've been bumping this thread for a year now, and your only coaching analysis is the results regardless of whether or not the Sixers problem have been coaching.

A lot has changed in a year, and while I still think Nurse is a fantastic strategist, there are other coaches who have been more impressive lately. If I made a list now, I'd have Nurse further down the list. There hasn't been much of an opportunity to assess Nurse's coaching strategy on a team that is built around injured stars.

I don't get your Nurse obsession. Why have you been bumping this thread for so long?

I've been bumping this thread because of the visceral mass gas-lighting I keep getting from posters like yourselves. Nothing has changed for Nurse or my opinion on Nurse. My position was that Nurse is an average coach who got really lucky in his first few seasons and has done nothing for like 4-5 years to be talked about in the revered tones as top 10 NBA coach, let alone top 2. Nurse is who he is... an average coach.

Among the most championship coaches, I rank him right at the bottom, behind: Spo, Pop, Malone, Bud, Kerr, Lue, Carlisle, Vogel, Doc & Mazzulla. I'd also put Nurse solidly behind Brad Stevens, Thibs and Udoka... to name a few. All of which, clearly puts Nurse in the middle of the pack... at best.

I will give him credit for bringing a few new tactics to the NBA... but again, other coaches have innovated without the fanfare, and whatever Nurse did back then is ancient history now.

[cupcakesnake]

I guess they don’t make Top 2 coaches like they used to.

The Sixers having a season from hell due to injuries doesn't really shape my opinion on coaching ability. You've been bumping this thread for a year now, and your only coaching analysis is the results regardless of whether or not the Sixers problem have been coaching.

A lot has changed in a year, and while I still think Nurse is a fantastic strategist, there are other coaches who have been more impressive lately. If I made a list now, I'd have Nurse further down the list. There hasn't been much of an opportunity to assess Nurse's coaching strategy on a team that is built around injured stars.

I don't get your Nurse obsession. Why have you been bumping this thread for so long?

I've been bumping this thread because of the visceral mass gas-lighting I keep getting from posters like yourselves. Nothing has changed for Nurse or my opinion on Nurse. My position was that Nurse is an average coach who got really lucky in his first few seasons and has done nothing for like 4-5 years to be talked about in the revered tones as top 10 NBA coach, let alone top 2. Nurse is who he is... an average coach.

Among the most championship coaches, I rank him right at the bottom, behind: Spo, Pop, Malone, Bud, Kerr, Lue, Carlisle, Vogel, Doc & Mazzulla. I'd also put Nurse solidly behind Brad Stevens, Thibs and Udoka... to name a few. All of which, clearly puts Nurse in the middle of the pack... at best.

I will give him credit for bringing a few new tactics to the NBA... but again, other coaches have innovated without the fanfare, and whatever Nurse did back then is ancient history now.

My friend, we know your opinion on Nurse. You've been saying it over and over again for a year. It's fine to have an opinion on a coach that is different than others.

I don't have the same way of assessing coaches as you, so we're not really connecting when we talk about this. You don't care about my points about how he's run offense and defense with different personnel, and I don't care about the recent struggles of some of his teams or the wins/losses. Coaching is just one piece of the puzzle. I think he's a nice puzzle piece, you don't. It's fine.

"Visceral mass gas-lighting" is pretty over the top for any sports discussion. Applying it to this, where I just have a pretty normal opinion about Nick Nurse that you don't share... I'm not sure how to respond to that. No one is making you talk about this. It's your thread and you're the one who's keeping it going. It's fine for you to rank coaches however you want.

I don't think that many people even care about Nick Nurse right now. It's sad to watch the Sixers this year. If he's in an interesting coaching situation again, I'll probably be interested him again. Right now I'm more interested in what guys like Daigneault, Udoka, Kerr, Jenkins, Atkinson, and Mosley are doing.

[Bank Shot]

Philly having some locker room issues isn't really a surprise given what happened in Toronto. And I'm not just talking about Nurse's final season. The championship squad had some behind-the-scenes issues that a bunch of players hinted at after the finals. They just had enough talent to make it work.

[johanliebert]

Nurse like any coach needs talent.

[NZB2323]

Worst coach in the NBA along with Ty Lue. They both got lucky stars carried them to a championship and extended their careers by like 20 years.

Rubbish Lue is a championship coach who gets so damn much out of a rather limited and injury struck roster.

One could argue that he is the Clippers most valuable asset (more than any other player)

Philly have had injuries but no way should they have started the season 2-12

What has Lue done since a conference finals? Nothing, clippers would be better without him. We all know that Lebron carried him.

It’s hard to win in the playoffs when your best players are injured. Pop lost in the first round in 2000 when Tim Duncan was injured. He also lost in the first round in 2011 when Ginobili was injured. He also lost in the first round in 2018 when Kawhi didn’t play. He also went 20-62 in 97 when the admiral was injured.

Lue is the only coach to come back from being down 1-3 in the finals and the only coach to take the Clippers to the WCF.

I also don’t recall Spo making it to the Finals without Lebron or Butler, and people used to say that LeBron carried him. I guess you could also say that Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe carried Phil.

[LLJ]

He is both overrated and underrated. He's a good tactician but his player relationship skills aren't the best.

But I'm glad people are finally acknowledging how stacked the 2019 Raptors actually were.

[Jabroni Lames]

Rubbish Lue is a championship coach who gets so damn much out of a rather limited and injury struck roster.

One could argue that he is the Clippers most valuable asset (more than any other player)

Philly have had injuries but no way should they have started the season 2-12

What has Lue done since a conference finals? Nothing, clippers would be better without him. We all know that Lebron carried him.

It’s hard to win in the playoffs when your best players are injured. Pop lost in the first round in 2000 when Tim Duncan was injured. He also lost in the first round in 2011 when Ginobili was injured. He also lost in the first round in 2018 when Kawhi didn’t play. He also went 20-62 in 97 when the admiral was injured.

Lue is the only coach to come back from being down 1-3 in the finals and the only coach to take the Clippers to the WCF.

I also don’t recall Spo making it to the Finals without Lebron or Butler, and people used to say that LeBron carried him. I guess you could also say that Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe carried Phil.

Jimmy Butler isn't on the level of other MVP-level superstars, though. That's already a huge nod to Spo putting him in position to be a playoff riser.

[doogie_hauser]

Latest Bill Simmons podcast was interesting listening. Ultimately an unhappy JoJo is going to be the reason he is fired from Philly (probably before Christmas)

[NZB2323]

What has Lue done since a conference finals? Nothing, clippers would be better without him. We all know that Lebron carried him.

It’s hard to win in the playoffs when your best players are injured. Pop lost in the first round in 2000 when Tim Duncan was injured. He also lost in the first round in 2011 when Ginobili was injured. He also lost in the first round in 2018 when Kawhi didn’t play. He also went 20-62 in 97 when the admiral was injured.

Lue is the only coach to come back from being down 1-3 in the finals and the only coach to take the Clippers to the WCF.

I also don’t recall Spo making it to the Finals without Lebron or Butler, and people used to say that LeBron carried him. I guess you could also say that Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe carried Phil.

Jimmy Butler isn't on the level of other MVP-level superstars, though. That's already a huge nod to Spo putting him in position to be a playoff riser.

Lue took the Clippers to the WCF by winning a 7 game series where Kawhi played in 4 games. He won games 5 and 6 without Kawhi.

[Johnny Bball]

Someone tell Embiid it was Nurse who leaked that he was always late, so I can watch the entire thing burn.

[Jabroni Lames]

It’s hard to win in the playoffs when your best players are injured. Pop lost in the first round in 2000 when Tim Duncan was injured. He also lost in the first round in 2011 when Ginobili was injured. He also lost in the first round in 2018 when Kawhi didn’t play. He also went 20-62 in 97 when the admiral was injured.

Lue is the only coach to come back from being down 1-3 in the finals and the only coach to take the Clippers to the WCF.

I also don’t recall Spo making it to the Finals without Lebron or Butler, and people used to say that LeBron carried him. I guess you could also say that Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe carried Phil.

Jimmy Butler isn't on the level of other MVP-level superstars, though. That's already a huge nod to Spo putting him in position to be a playoff riser.

Lue took the Clippers to the WCF by winning a 7 game series where Kawhi played in 4 games. He won games 5 and 6 without Kawhi.

Yeah, I mean Clippers are 9-7 in the tougher western conference with way less talent than the Sixers have, even with injuries.

Ty Lue is a way better coach than Nick Nurse.

[hauntedcomputer]

Someone tell Embiid it was Nurse who leaked that he was always late, so I can watch the entire thing burn.

What if Nurse is actually pulling a low-key Monty Williams? Paid vacation for a few years.

If so, perhaps we are all underrating him. 4-D chess.

[Jabroni Lames]

Barely one month into the season and this CBS Sports NBA coach ranking is completely outdated:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-every-nba-coach-for-2024-25-season-jj-redick-at-the-bottom-pop-outside-top-10-and-no-1-in-own-tier/?utm_content=buffer7a45a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


Tier 9: We don't know enough
30. JJ Redick, Lakers
29. Brian Keefe, Wizards
28. Charles Lee, Hornets
27. Jordi Fernandez, Nets
26. Darko Rajakovic, Raptors

Tier 8: I wouldn't be enthused
25. Chauncey Billups, Trail Blazers
24. Billy Donovan, Bulls
23. JB Bickerstaff, Pistons
22. Doc Rivers, Bucks

Tier 7: You look promising, but it's still a tad early
21. Kenny Atkinson, Cavaliers
20. Willie Green, Pelicans
19. Jamahl Mosley, Magic

Tier 6: Middle of the road
18. Jason Kidd, Mavericks
17. Taylor Jenkins, Grizzlies
16. Quin Snyder, Hawks
15. Michael Malone, Nuggets

Tier 5: The living legend
14. Gregg Popovich, Spurs

Tier 4: Obvious floor-raisers
13. Mike Brown, Kings
12. Chris Finch, Timberwolves
11. Joe Mazzulla, Celtics
10. Tom Thibodeau, Knicks
9. Mike Budenholzer, Suns
8. Ime Udoka, Rockets

Tier 3: The Wunderkinds
7. Will Hardy, Jazz
6. Mark Daigneault, Thunder

Tier 2: The elites
5. Ty Lue, Clippers
4. Steve Kerr, Warriors
3. Rick Carlisle, Pacers
2. Nick Nurse, 76ers

Tier 1: The undisputed king
1. Erik Spoelstra, Heat

[Larry_Russell]

Nick Nurse is a top 2 coach in this league.

You're holding up the tiniest scrap of negativity and being like: is this heavier than the mountain of evidence that Nurse is a great coach?

The answer is no.

top 2 might be a stretch.

No, it is 100% a stretch

[Ron Swanson]

You can even think he's a "good" coach but it's downright hilarious how dude still keeps cropping up on these Top-5 and Top-3 coaching lists despite his resume since 2020 and alleged terrible player relationship skills. His entire reputation as this defensive "genius" was crafted because he had one of the most stacked defensive rosters of all time (Kawhi, Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka, Danny Green, FVV, Siakam, OG). Who's the last coach who consistently got this much of a pass every year based on past championship rep? Carlisle? Doc?

[Optms]

The new Doc Rivers. He's gonna be riding that 2019 title for the next two decades.