Kings trade Fox to Spurs, get LaVine

[ShootersShoot]

Does fax will not solve la problems..la is an old team and no one will run the floor with fox.. also all we know what happen if you play lebron with a non shooting guard..

He played well with rondo iirc

[TeamTragic]

My question is, why would any team trade a ton for Fox knowing that he might have a particular destination in mind for FA in 2 years? Is 2 playoff runs with him really worth it the haul that it would take to land him?

Players can change their minds depending on their circumstances. Look at what happened with Donovan Mitchell in Cleveland, everybody had him pegged to go to New York and we all seen how that played out. Dame wanted to go to Miami and ended up in Milwaukee who after a rough last season + start to this one, seems quite content now next to Giannis.

Spurs are primed with their cap space for 26/27 but with barely anyone on the roster. One is Wemby though so I'm sure they will look very hard at how they spend their cap space. I doubt Fox at 5yrs/300M is top of that list but I'm also very sure that Fox and his agent know that he'll not be getting max years/money from anyone. Spurs will have him for the right price and it'll probably be one of the better destinations for Fox as well. That 3/165 he turned down for Kings he might just take for the Spurs.

When was the last time Pop or the Spurs paid someone max money?

Both Kawhi and LMA in 2015.

10 years ago?

[CIN-C-STAR]

My question is, why would any team trade a ton for Fox knowing that he might have a particular destination in mind for FA in 2 years? Is 2 playoff runs with him really worth it the haul that it would take to land him?

Players can change their minds depending on their circumstances. Look at what happened with Donovan Mitchell in Cleveland, everybody had him pegged to go to New York and we all seen how that played out. Dame wanted to go to Miami and ended up in Milwaukee who after a rough last season + start to this one, seems quite content now next to Giannis.

When was the last time Pop or the Spurs paid someone max money?

Both Kawhi and LMA in 2015.

10 years ago?

They haven’t had a max-quality player since then though?

[phanman]

My question is, why would any team trade a ton for Fox knowing that he might have a particular destination in mind for FA in 2 years? Is 2 playoff runs with him really worth it the haul that it would take to land him?

Players can change their minds depending on their circumstances. Look at what happened with Donovan Mitchell in Cleveland, everybody had him pegged to go to New York and we all seen how that played out. Dame wanted to go to Miami and ended up in Milwaukee who after a rough last season + start to this one, seems quite content now next to Giannis.

When was the last time Pop or the Spurs paid someone max money?

Both Kawhi and LMA in 2015.

10 years ago?

Well duh, were you living under a rock when they went through the DeMar era and then this rebuilding one before they won the Wemby lottery? They've never be in position to sign a marquee free agents or retain max players since then.

[Bornstellar]

My question is, why would any team trade a ton for Fox knowing that he might have a particular destination in mind for FA in 2 years? Is 2 playoff runs with him really worth it the haul that it would take to land him?

Players can change their minds depending on their circumstances. Look at what happened with Donovan Mitchell in Cleveland, everybody had him pegged to go to New York and we all seen how that played out. Dame wanted to go to Miami and ended up in Milwaukee who after a rough last season + start to this one, seems quite content now next to Giannis.

When was the last time Pop or the Spurs paid someone max money?

Both Kawhi and LMA in 2015.

10 years ago?

Who were we supposed to max since then? DeRozan? Murray? Keldon? You're seriously trying to ding the Spurs FO for not handing out a bad max contract to someone who doesn't deserve it for the last decade? That's actually a good thing...

[magee]

If I'm San Antonio, I'm not sure I'd want him because what if he tries to pull this in a few years after signing an extension with them? The player empowerment is getting a bit out of hand. Money talks, I suppose.

[TeamTragic]

Players can change their minds depending on their circumstances. Look at what happened with Donovan Mitchell in Cleveland, everybody had him pegged to go to New York and we all seen how that played out. Dame wanted to go to Miami and ended up in Milwaukee who after a rough last season + start to this one, seems quite content now next to Giannis.

Both Kawhi and LMA in 2015.

10 years ago?

Well duh, were you living under a rock when they went through the DeMar era and then this rebuilding one before they won the Wemby lottery? They've never be in position to sign a marquee free agents or retain max players since then.

Players can change their minds depending on their circumstances. Look at what happened with Donovan Mitchell in Cleveland, everybody had him pegged to go to New York and we all seen how that played out. Dame wanted to go to Miami and ended up in Milwaukee who after a rough last season + start to this one, seems quite content now next to Giannis.


Both Kawhi and LMA in 2015.

10 years ago?

Who were we supposed to max since then? DeRozan? Murray? Keldon? You're seriously trying to ding the Spurs FO for not handing out a bad max contract to someone who doesn't deserve it for the last decade? That's actually a good thing...

Please trade for Fox and max him out. I have the popcorn ready.

[Bad Bart]

Why is Fox/Sabonis duo not working? My apology, since I'm not watching Kings games

It works offensively, the problem though is the players around them. Their wings are all wrong, they should have a similar build to the Knicks, with 3 off ball wings that can defend multiple positions and space/cut. Monte McNair prioritized all the wrong things building around them, it's a team with a host of small guards and not a single player over 6'5" that can defend.


Their roster construction should look like ours, the Hawks, Magic or Rockets They needed a bunch of 6'6"+ guys surrounding them.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this, except I do think Murray can defend but not to the level that can make up for the rest they lack. Just shows in greater relief how dumb the DeRozan signing was.

[Bornstellar]

10 years ago?

Well duh, were you living under a rock when they went through the DeMar era and then this rebuilding one before they won the Wemby lottery? They've never be in position to sign a marquee free agents or retain max players since then.

10 years ago?

Who were we supposed to max since then? DeRozan? Murray? Keldon? You're seriously trying to ding the Spurs FO for not handing out a bad max contract to someone who doesn't deserve it for the last decade? That's actually a good thing...

Please trade for Fox and max him out. I have the popcorn ready.

You realize that the cap is projected to increase considerably over the next decade which makes Fox's max in a couple of years not that big of a deal? Grab all the popcorn you want bud. It's gonna be must-see TV watching the Wemby/Fox duo for years to come

[CIN-C-STAR]

If I'm San Antonio, I'm not sure I'd want him because what if he tries to pull this in a few years after signing an extension with them? The player empowerment is getting a bit out of hand. Money talks, I suppose.

What is he pulling though?
He hasn’t demanded a trade. He’s still playing hard.
All he did was let the team know he doesn’t plan to sign an extension with them in the offseason, which actually helps them.
This isn’t a Jimmy B situation.

[Scalabrine]

I feel like people are way too low on Fox's value here. Lauri and Siakam on the final trade deadline of their contracts were garnering better offers than many in this thread. Fox's current contract allows for 2 playoff runs. That is major value. You can quibble on Castle, as he has shown promise, but this 1 pick and mediocre non expiring players is insulting. And that said, what percentage chance is there that Castle ends up better than Fox? Seems low to me. You would essentially be saying that he is a perennial top 15 guy to be tangibly better than Fox. Even reaching the same level would be viewed as a real developmental success.

Not a Kings fan by the way.

I agree that Fox is definitely worth more than that. Bridges just went for 5 first rounders (not great first rounders but still) and an expiring. The Jazz were looking for something similar to Markkanen this off season.

A) Fox isn't a Top 15 player.
B) At 27, Fox shortens the timeline of this Spurs run before they need to re-tool. Castle is still only 20.

[magee]

If I'm San Antonio, I'm not sure I'd want him because what if he tries to pull this in a few years after signing an extension with them? The player empowerment is getting a bit out of hand. Money talks, I suppose.

What is he pulling though?
He hasn’t demanded a trade. He’s still playing hard.
All he did was let the team know he doesn’t plan to sign an extension with them in the offseason, which actually helps them.
This isn’t a Jimmy B situation.

I read a couple different things that Fox's agent initiated it. I'm mistaken.

[TeamTragic]

Kings want Castle?

Good luck

[doogie_hauser]

Read on Hoopshype that Fox has no interest whatsoever on playing for The Lakers.

[HMFFL]

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[turnaroundJ]

unfortunately for fox there's not a team in the league that should be paying him what he wants. market price is closer to FVV/kyrie contracts than dame's

[reamily]

Does fax will not solve la problems..la is an old team and no one will run the floor with fox.. also all we know what happen if you play lebron with a non shooting guard..

He played well with rondo iirc

Rondo is a purer pg... And he knew he cant shoot so he doesnt take as many **** and just create for others..

[thinktank]

If I’m SA no thanks.

Be patient. There will be an even better fit.

[Ruma85]

Read on Hoopshype that Fox has no interest whatsoever on playing for The Lakers.

Good, he doesn't need to be around LeBron.

[iggymcfrack]

Fox is playing with fractures in both hands and needs surgery. So many conclusions based on assumptions and was also amusing to see guards peak at 23-27

How did you arrive at Fox has a 2% chance to be all nba in the future?

Here’s a study that looked at all players and said peak age is 23-27. Big men tend to peak a little later than guards.

https://digitalcommons.bryant.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1223&context=eeb

Also, I didn’t say he had a 2% chance to be all-NBA. I said he had a 2% chance to be a “perennial top 15 player”. Perennial means consistently year after year. So far he’s made all-NBA once in 8 seasons and is likely exiting his athletic prime while accumulating injuries as you mentioned.

The study you posted says a player is in their prime 27-31.

It's weird because the abstract says that, but then when you go to the data, it all peaks between 23 and 27, and they say this at the end of section 4:

From analyzing the data and regressions we are able to find an age range that we
can statistically prove to be the “Prime” age range in the NBA. We see from Figures
3,4,&5 that the most productive ages in the NBA range from 23-27, with a sharp decline
at age 29. The findings align with the predictions from Arkes and Karolak (2019) in
which they proved that coaches are willing to pay premium for players in this age range
since they believed this was the prime age range.

Maybe this isn't the best study if they can't be clear about their findings, but I've seen that age range before in a different study. I'd buy that it's 23-27 for small athleticism-heavy guards and 27-31 for big men. FWIW, Fox should age about as poorly as any player in the league as a small guard who's not particularly good at passing or shooting. Everything he's good at are things that age poorly.

I don't understand why you would wanna pay a guy like that $50MM coming off a precipitious decline at age 27 when he never even peaked as close to a top 10 guy? And people are talking about giving up major assets for him? Dunc'd On did mock trade negotiations for him and someone proposed Stephon Castle plus salary filler. I almost fell out of my chair. You'd rather pay $50MM/year to Fox than $10MM to Castle in years where Castle's ceiling is much higher? That's the kind of mistake that destroys a team. Like the Lakers trading Caruso (plus a bunch of depth) for Westbrook or the Clippers giving up SGA (and a million picks) for Paul George. If the assets or salary structure are gonna dramatically remake the team when you trade a young guy for an old guy, you better make sure you're getting the better player.