Shams: Celtics Trade Jrue Holiday to Portland for Anfernee Simons, Two Second-Round Picks

[ropjhk]

I can buy the idea that Jrue will be a good mentor to the young players on the Blazers but the trade itself goes completely against conventional trade valuation logic.

The Blazers traded a significantly younger player who costs less and is expected to be more productive over the course of the next 3 years who could become a rotation piece for the next version of the Celtics for someone to fill a role that most other teams would try to fill through a vet minimum free agent signing.

[RodyTur10]

So Boston got younger, saved money and received picks...

I like it.

[TheGeneral99]

Smart move for Boston.

Jrue, while still very effective, is 35 years old and likely has 1-2 very productive seasons left before he drops off.

This only makes sense for Portland if they didn't believe in Simons and have another deal to trade Jrue to a contender. Maybe Golden State is willing to trade Kuminga and some 2nd rounders for Jrue and go for it next year? Are the Lakers able to get a guy like Jrue who would fit like a glove next to Luka and Lebron?

[knicksstuff]

This is the same story we saw with Houston when they sign Dillon and FVV to builda culture and have vet guys that know the game aroudn their young guys its simple as that. They gave up Simmons who is an expiring and they had no interest in resigning for someone who fits more so what they want to do.

Simmons is a good offensive player but hes inefficient he scored 19 pts on 16 shots. His defense is not even passable. Maybe Boston changes who he is on that side of the ball enough to make him an overall positive. But this is not type of guys that Boston has recently invested in with trades. Celtics had no weaknesses last yaer on the defensive end now they have a glaring hole that they need to cover up.

[andalusian]

I can buy the idea that Jrue will be a good mentor to the young players on the Blazers but the trade itself goes completely against conventional trade valuation logic.

The Blazers traded a significantly younger player who costs less and is expected to be more productive over the course of the next 3 years who could become a rotation piece for the next version of the Celtics for someone to fill a role that most other teams would try to fill through a vet minimum free agent signing.

I enjoyed watching Simons when he was on, but he was a minus player overall for the Blazers, they were better without him on the court on average. Basically - being more productive than Jrue is only going to happen if:

1. Jrue completely falls off the wagon
2. Simons learns how to defend after 7 years in the league.

I will give Simons credit that he tried more than he did last year, but he was still a bad defender for the Blazers. The Blazers (based on the 2nd half of last season) just went from good to very good - they removed the worst defender on the team.

The other issue the Blazers had with Simons - he was standing in the way of Sharpe as one of the focal points of the offense next to Deni. Removing him basically forces Sharpe to be that guy in Portland and he either makes the jump (I suspect that's what will happen) or they know they need to move on.

The mentoring stuff is great, but this is the Blazers going all in into the defense identity they have tried to build.

[LakersSoul]

Seems like a steal for Boston. Jrue is close to washed.

Yeah, Boston needed a salary unloading and they got to unload a declining Jrue with 3 years on his contract and got a young player and draft picks., thats some magic they pulled!!


Jrue is useful rn but not with that contract attached to him. The last year is gonna be ugly for $37m.

If Portland was smart or better understood the situation, they could have traded for Jrue and assets or gotten back a FRP or at least few SRPs easily for him.

Now Boston can play Simons this upcoming year and then let him walk to remove 27.6m of their salary while adding a cost effective FA or draft pick.

Well played Boston!

[djsunyc]

boston won't have cap room in 2 years and the only manageable/tradeable contract would be white. next highest is hauser at $11 mil.

as long as tatum and brown are both on the team, it limits their future moves since they will have to make trades with no cap space.

[DreamTeam09]

I can buy the idea that Jrue will be a good mentor to the young players on the Blazers but the trade itself goes completely against conventional trade valuation logic.

The Blazers traded a significantly younger player who costs less and is expected to be more productive over the course of the next 3 years who could become a rotation piece for the next version of the Celtics for someone to fill a role that most other teams would try to fill through a vet minimum free agent signing.

Depends on how someone views Simon's. I don't think he's viewed in the best of light around the league. Not a true PG, not good enough defensively in the backcourt at either position. You have to build a certain team around him, he's like Trae Young without the cachè. Boston could resign him, they could look to move him at the trade deadline or he might just expire & become a FA.
Portland got a solid vet who can play either backcourt position alongside Scoot + Sharpe

[tamaraw08]

I expect Boston to trade KP and Hauser to a team like the Nets and probably would include the 2 SRP's they stole from Portland just to get it done.

[bovice]

Portland is a farm team unless they happen to draft a star (Lillard/broy/etc...). they're doing what the league requires of them

[ConSarnit]

Derp. The math is the math, bis.

Some people believe that Jrue is washed, but he had so many injuries he was playing through last postseason. The finger, the shoulder and the hamstring. I think he will be great with the Blazers (and yes, I expect they will keep him this time) especially as a sixth man. Comparisons to glass-man Brogdon are nonsensical. Brogdon isn't a winning player anymore and constantly hurt.

Regardless of what POR gave up paying your 6th man $34m a year for 3 years is not good business.

Have you at least taken the liberty of looking at Portland's financials? Only Grant and Ayton make any real money and Ayton is an expiring contract (as are Robert Williams and Matisse Thybulle). Jrue can still help this organization on and off the court.

Portland was #23 in the league in salaries and you're worried about Holiday's contract. For why?

Because regardless of what your books look like having bad contracts on them is not a good thing.

So your philosophy is “if we have cap space let’s just take on bad multi-year contracts and PAY to do so”? When has this ever worked out for a team? Paying $34m for a 6th man is a bad idea regardless of who that 6th man is, never mind that Jrue is going to continue to decline which makes paying him to be your 6th man even worse. Also consider what type of optionality POR is giving up by having to now spend $70m on Jrue and Grant. This isn’t just a 1 year thing of “oh well, let’s just fill our books this season”.

I can’t believe there is an argument that this is somehow good for Portland.

[ConSarnit]

This is the same story we saw with Houston when they sign Dillon and FVV to builda culture and have vet guys that know the game aroudn their young guys its simple as that. They gave up Simmons who is an expiring and they had no interest in resigning for someone who fits more so what they want to do.

Simmons is a good offensive player but hes inefficient he scored 19 pts on 16 shots. His defense is not even passable. Maybe Boston changes who he is on that side of the ball enough to make him an overall positive. But this is not type of guys that Boston has recently invested in with trades. Celtics had no weaknesses last yaer on the defensive end now they have a glaring hole that they need to cover up.

BOS is in a transition year. They probably don’t care about Simons all that much. This deal was about getting off Jrue’s long term money. My bet is they would have done the deal for any $27m expiring salary + 2 2nds.

[benson13]

I think the Celtics realize they won't content next year, and their tax bill isn't going to be justified.

The Celtics have their own draft pick next summer. If I'm the GM, I'm thinking maybe maximize my position since Tatum won't be playing.

[Pointgod]

I can buy the idea that Jrue will be a good mentor to the young players on the Blazers but the trade itself goes completely against conventional trade valuation logic.

The Blazers traded a significantly younger player who costs less and is expected to be more productive over the course of the next 3 years who could become a rotation piece for the next version of the Celtics for someone to fill a role that most other teams would try to fill through a vet minimum free agent signing.

Jrue even at his age is still better defensively than Simonsand opens up more development opportunities for the young guys.

The rest of what you said is pretty true though.

[Liam_Gallagher]

Reaves, Hachimura, Vincent, Kleber, Vanderbilt for Ayton, Holiday, fillers?

[The Corey's]

There's probably nothing more useless in all of sports than second round picks in the NBA.

[Capn'O]

Have you at least taken the liberty of looking at Portland's financials? Only Grant and Ayton make any real money and Ayton is an expiring contract (as are Robert Williams and Matisse Thybulle). Jrue can still help this organization on and off the court.

Portland was #23 in the league in salaries and you're worried about Holiday's contract. For why?

Also, free agency isn't their strong suit.

Cap, they never sign free agents. No one wants to go there except the Evan Turner's of the world (and they have to pay a premium to get those guys). Like Memphis, their only way to improve is through the draft and trades.

Never ever ever.

[UglyBugBall]

There must be a case of blackmail going on here

[BlazersBroncos]

Also, free agency isn't their strong suit.

Cap, they never sign free agents. No one wants to go there except the Evan Turner's of the world (and they have to pay a premium to get those guys). Like Memphis, their only way to improve is through the draft and trades.

Never ever ever.

Hedo Turkoglu picked Toronto over Portland. And Toronto never signs free agents.

Which means your correct, never isnt enough of a emphasis.

Portland never, ever, ever signs free agents. Ever.

[BlazersBroncos]

This is the same story we saw with Houston when they sign Dillon and FVV to builda culture and have vet guys that know the game aroudn their young guys its simple as that.

Yep. And HOU was eviscerated for the FVV and Dillon signings on this board, I was one of the naysayers.

Turns out it worked quite well for them. Overpaid bridge vets on a young team work very often.