Shams:Mavericks fire Nico Harrison

[Tor_Raps]

I sure wish he fired him before he added D’Angelo Russel to the mix. I guess better late than never. Now I hope we can get someone that isn’t recycled trash as a GM and knows how to build a cohesive team.

Why? He was primarily responsible for beating the raptors so hes at least gotten them a few wins already and is their only ball handler.

That doesn’t mean anything to me at all. I’ve watched Russell on other teams long enough to know I never wanted him on my team. Can’t handle pressure and takes horrible shots. Still can’t believe he is on this team.

Trade one of your many bigs for a better guard then. Until then, Dlo is the best you guys have. Its also why you guys are one of the worst teams in the nba currently lol

[Raps in 4]

Poor guy, you know the NBA rigged this whole thing to give the Lakers relevance. I wonder if part of the agreement was his old buddy Rob hires him in a year to have some random advisor role. His image is tainted for life.

So his image is tainted for life but you’re sure he’s going to get a cushy job that makes it worth it he blew his chance to be a GM?

How do people not see the contradictions in their own conspiracies? Unless… the conspiracy theorists here are actually part of an even deeper conspiracy!!!


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Everyone knows that when you create a conspiracy, you make people think it's not possible that it's a conspiracy!!! C'mon man, that's Conspiracy 101 they teach you in the first day of class.

Trump isn't in the Epstein files. The rich and powerful play by the rules, just like us peasant folk. Everyone move along now. Nothing to see here!

[Doctor MJ]

Imagine Nico being caught up in a gambling issue and the trade was how he paid off his debt…

You all know with everything going on, this wouldn’t be all that shocking

Edit: for the record, this is just my imagination making stuff up

Perfectly fine to recognize that gambling related blackmail can be a way to manipulate someone in Nick’s position.

Just a problem when we blow right past incompetence to assume malevolence as the only explanation .

Is it far fetched to think bosses might get so pissed off at a fat diva that they want him gone regardless of the effect on the bottom line? Yes, that’s normal boss behavior actually.

Is it far fetched to think a particular boss might convince himself that getting of said fat diva is what’s best for the bottom line? Yes, that’s normal boss behavior too.

Sometimes I wonder how young people are here. I tend to think they can’t be that young else they’d be on some larger social media site, but if people don’t have experience working within vocational hierarchies yet, it frankly makes sense that they would underestimate how much ego goes into them and the bad the decision making can be while still being business as usual.


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[RRFB]

Here’s the thing..

Nico still might have been right about Luka. His justification for trading Luka (insufficient work ethic, conditioning, leadership, defense, etc.) could eventually be proven right when it’s all said and done. I think it’s fair to ask “is this guy capable of being the top dog on a championship team?”. Every single top tier star has to deal with those questions, because until they actually win one, we don’t know the answer. The concerns could be valid, and if you’re certain Luka isn’t capable of being that guy, trading him could have been justified.

The problem is that Nico completely botched every single other aspect of the trade process. And as badly as he handled the whole negotiation, the follow-up PR, all of it, his biggest failure is that he clearly has no clue what it means to be sports fan. Anyone who knows anything about sports fandom could have foreseen the impact the trade would have on the Mavs’ fanbase, and the fact that he either didn’t see it coming or straight up didn’t care, is the most damning part of it all. That alone should immediately disqualify him from even coming near a decision-making role in a professional sports franchise ever again.

While I’m glad Mavs fans can finally begin to move on, I don’t know how you ever fully get over it when the guy that green-lit the trade and eventually fired Nico today can never be fired himself. Everything I said above about Nico can also be said about Dumont, and if I were a Mavs fan, I’d never be able trust him again.

[FrodoFraggins]

What do people mean when they say Nico is the fall guy? He made the trade.

Exactly.

Even if he was instructed by ownership to make the trade he should have insisted they publicly disclose they made the decision to trade Luka or resign over the trade. He has completely ruined his career and will never be a GM again.

People this is not how the real world works. Sure he could have challenged them, demanded they take responsibility, etc...and then word would spread to other owners that Nico is a guy who will challenge ownership and demand they take responsibility for major moves that go poorly. Spoiler alert: owners will not hire a guy like that.

No it's happened before in major sports where an owner makes the trade themselves. And no one will hire someone taking credit for the luka trade.

[LightTheBeam]

Poor guy, you know the NBA rigged this whole thing to give the Lakers relevance. I wonder if part of the agreement was his old buddy Rob hires him in a year to have some random advisor role. His image is tainted for life.

So his image is tainted for life but you’re sure he’s going to get a cushy job that makes it worth it he blew his chance to be a GM?

How do people not see the contradictions in their own conspiracies? Unless… the conspiracy theorists here are actually part of an even deeper conspiracy!!!


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What? When did I say "i'm so sure" that hes going to get a cushy job. I speculated if maybe he was promised a role. And he's also the fall guy, this decision likely was above him.

What kind of cope is it to pretend that this is a conspiracy. That the NBA ratings were tanking, when suddenly the biggest market gets the biggest star for pennies. They claimed Luka was fat and health was an issue, so they traded him for a guy whose career has been defined by injuries and is 33 years old. The mavs couldn't even get Austin Reaves in the deal lol. And then the team that traded him is gifted the #1 overall pick when they had a 1% chance.

I'll never understand Lakers fans. Why not just appreciate it? I wish my team was involved in this kind of "luck" every generation.

[Doctor MJ]

I haven't changed my mind since:



Nico is probably a very manipulative person, who managed to win Dumont's trust and exclude Cuban.
And he got manipulated by his dear friend, who knew that the only way to get this thing done was to keep it confidential.
Moreover, Dumont is business person, and in business the general opinion is that the top managers are the ones responsible for the company success, the real brain.
Normal employees are replaceable.
I think he didn't fully underatand that in sports, basketball in particular, the players are by far your biggest asset. No GM will ever be worth a Luka Doncic, but he might have thought that it was like when a manager came to him asking to get rid of someone in his team he didn't like.

Agreed generally.

When Cuban hired Nico it was never with the thought that Nick knew basketball better than himself, Nico was just the guy with the Rolodex of Nike athlete relationships.

What happened after Cuban sold almost certainly involved a ton of sweet talking from Nico to Dumont that took advantage of Dumont’s ego-driven resentment of Cuban still talking like it was his team.

Exactly how much or how little Dumont’s whimsy was involved in the Luka deal we can’t truly know, but what we can say those in the hierarchy were competing in office politics to try to grab the vacuum of authority that Cuban’s sale left, and Nico was the guy in the chief position to do this.


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uh oh, this certainly looks like you're implying a conspiracy theory

Hmm.

Conspiracies involve groups of people with shared goals.

I’m talking about individuals trying to keep afloat against rivals in the corporate hierarchy.

These are not the same thing.

Now, the latter can lead to the former sure, but nothing I spoke on leads to a conclusion like “therefore we leaders of the Mavs must destroy the current Mavs team”.


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[Howard Mass]

The Doncic trade never should have happened. It was malpractice.

There will still be a lot of pain for Mavericks fans but at least now they can better move forward.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

Nico proposing the Luka trade is on Nico

But the owner approving the Luka trade is on the owner

Only the dumbest nepokids are allowed to buy NBA teams these days, it seems

[Ambrose]

I love conspiracies. It's highly unlikely there is a conspiracy here. When you look at the full timeline of events, it's pretty clear Nico's an egomaniac who hated Luka. Calling the dude who actively wanted Luka to go, and had been working towards making that happen for years, a fall guy or a scapegoat is legitimately insane.

Luka isnt some rando star. Nico doesnt have the authorization to trade the face of the franchise and perennial MVP candidate. He may have been pushing for it, but its not his decision.

The conspiracy theories make more sense than a GM being able to negotiate in secret and trade a franchise player who didnt ask out.

I mean he clearly did...because it happened. He leveraged the moves he made that got them to a finals, played up the narratives that people were talking about at that time, and duped a dumbass family that has no basketball knowledge whatsoever into doing something they regretted as soon as they understood what they did.

There isn't one conspiracy theory that makes more sense than that.

[Marvin Martian]

But you don’t see anything first hand, so what you claim to “see” is just your preference for a cynical conspiracy theory that allows you to feel smart for having figured things out without any evidence verifying you actually are.


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To each his own brother. Believe what you like. Feeling smart has nothing to do with it. No matter how many shady things happen in pro sports, you guys will just hand wave it away as random rogue actors.

Funny how the conspiracy deniers are the ones who don't actually have evidence to support their position because all of their sources are coming from the people that have 0 incentive to tell the truth.

[Doctor MJ]

Poor guy, you know the NBA rigged this whole thing to give the Lakers relevance. I wonder if part of the agreement was his old buddy Rob hires him in a year to have some random advisor role. His image is tainted for life.

So his image is tainted for life but you’re sure he’s going to get a cushy job that makes it worth it he blew his chance to be a GM?

How do people not see the contradictions in their own conspiracies? Unless… the conspiracy theorists here are actually part of an even deeper conspiracy!!!


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What? When did I say "i'm so sure" that hes going to get a cushy job. I speculated if maybe he was promised a role. And he's also the fall guy, this decision likely was above him.

What kind of cope is it to pretend that this is a conspiracy. That the NBA ratings were tanking, when suddenly the biggest market gets the biggest star for pennies. They claimed Luka was fat and health was an issue, so they traded him for a guy whose career has been defined by injuries and is 33 years old. The mavs couldn't even get Austin Reaves in the deal lol. And then the team that traded him is gifted the #1 overall pick when they had a 1% chance.

I'll never understand Lakers fans. Why not just appreciate it? I wish my team was involved in this kind of "luck" every generation.

I’m trying to help you understand the advantages the Lakers actually have not deny they have advantages.

Your sense that the Lakers have unfair advantages is correct, but that doesn’t mean that every wackadoo theory explaining the advantage is.


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[TheGeneral99]

Here’s the thing..

Nico still might have been right about Luka. His justification for trading Luka (insufficient work ethic, conditioning, leadership, defense, etc.) could eventually be proven right when it’s all said and done. I think it’s fair to ask “is this guy capable of being the top dog on a championship team?”. Every single top tier star has to deal with those questions, because until they actually win one, we don’t know the answer. The concerns could be valid, and if you’re certain Luka isn’t capable of being that guy, trading him could have been justified.

The problem is that Nico completely botched every single other aspect of the trade process. And as badly as he handled the whole negotiation, the follow-up PR, all of it, his biggest failure is that he clearly has no clue what it means to be sports fan. Anyone who knows anything about sports fandom could have foreseen the impact the trade would have on the Mavs’ fanbase, and the fact that he either didn’t see it coming or straight up didn’t care, is the most damning part of it all. That alone should immediately disqualify him from even coming near a decision-making role in a professional sports franchise ever again.

While I’m glad Mavs fans can finally begin to move on, I don’t know how you ever fully get over it when the guy that green-lit the trade and eventually fired Nico today can never be fired himself. Everything I said above about Nico can also be said about Dumont, and if I were a Mavs fan, I’d never be able trust him again.

And if this was the case, wouldn't the smart move have been to extend Luka last summer to a 5 year supermax, and then at the trade deadline, put him on the open market and create possibly the biggest bidding war in NBA history?

Why trade Luka with 1 year remaining on his contract when he showed no signs of wanting to leave and was willing to sign an extension?

[CraftylikeaFox]

The Luke trade will never add up. This was a move done that multiple key people at the NBA executive label helped facilitate with the assistance of a few willing teams and corrupt owners, and fall guy GM's. Props to all of them for managing to convince a big portion of NBA fans that one GM alone was responsible for this.

[Decipher]

The only time Patrick Dumont should be in a boardroom is to refill the coffee

[mademan]

I love conspiracies. It's highly unlikely there is a conspiracy here. When you look at the full timeline of events, it's pretty clear Nico's an egomaniac who hated Luka. Calling the dude who actively wanted Luka to go, and had been working towards making that happen for years, a fall guy or a scapegoat is legitimately insane.

Luka isnt some rando star. Nico doesnt have the authorization to trade the face of the franchise and perennial MVP candidate. He may have been pushing for it, but its not his decision.

The conspiracy theories make more sense than a GM being able to negotiate in secret and trade a franchise player who didnt ask out.

I mean he clearly did...because it happened. He leveraged the moves he made that got them to a finals, played up the narratives that people were talking about at that time, and duped a dumbass family that has no basketball knowledge whatsoever into doing something they regretted as soon as they understood what they did.

There isn't one conspiracy theory that makes more sense than that.

That's crazy. Luka is the team, making this a financial decision that goes far beyond Nico. The people that pay billions for a team are the ones deciding to trade one of the biggest stars in the NBA.

Nico may push for it, but on court decisions are overruled all the time by financial ones. Nico doesnt have the power to trade the star, especially coming off a finals appearance. That's insane. Im not a conspiracy guy generally, but its hard to convince me this was just a stupid guy who duped everyone else in the organization into doing something this stupid and duped the money people into trading one of the most exciting players in the league. And then the universe gave them the 1st overall pick

[Doctor MJ]

But you don’t see anything first hand, so what you claim to “see” is just your preference for a cynical conspiracy theory that allows you to feel smart for having figured things out without any evidence verifying you actually are.


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To each his own brother. Believe what you like. Feeling smart has nothing to do with it. No matter how many shady things happen in pro sports, you guys will just hand wave it away as random rogue actors.

Funny how the conspiracy deniers are the ones who don't actually have evidence to support their position because all of their sources are coming from the people that have 0 incentive to tell the truth.

I’m honestly not sure what “evidence” you’d be looking for here given that I’m largely arguing that we should start by taking seriously what those involved said they were doing.

Like, your conspiracies could potentially get evidence if and when these people start coming out and saying “I was lying the whole time”, but on the anti-conspiratorial side, what would the equivalent even be? One of the people involved saying “yeah, I stand by what I already said” won’t work because you’ve already decided they’re lying, so what else is there?

Of course, I’d say that’s actually the rub:

The beauty of being a conspiracy theorist is never having to admit you’re wrong, because anything that indicates you’re wrong is just part of the conspiracy.

Me? If and when actual conspiratorial evidence comes out, I’ll learn something.

But you’ve created a worldview that will successfully keep you from ever learning a truth that gets in the way of your beliefs.


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[Johnny Bball]

Miriam Adelson pins her incompetence on her son in law and isn't even named in this. She's the worst human to own an NBA team, and now its someone else's fault. Again.

[mademan]

Here’s the thing..

Nico still might have been right about Luka. His justification for trading Luka (insufficient work ethic, conditioning, leadership, defense, etc.) could eventually be proven right when it’s all said and done. I think it’s fair to ask “is this guy capable of being the top dog on a championship team?”. Every single top tier star has to deal with those questions, because until they actually win one, we don’t know the answer. The concerns could be valid, and if you’re certain Luka isn’t capable of being that guy, trading him could have been justified.

The problem is that Nico completely botched every single other aspect of the trade process. And as badly as he handled the whole negotiation, the follow-up PR, all of it, his biggest failure is that he clearly has no clue what it means to be sports fan. Anyone who knows anything about sports fandom could have foreseen the impact the trade would have on the Mavs’ fanbase, and the fact that he either didn’t see it coming or straight up didn’t care, is the most damning part of it all. That alone should immediately disqualify him from even coming near a decision-making role in a professional sports franchise ever again.

While I’m glad Mavs fans can finally begin to move on, I don’t know how you ever fully get over it when the guy that green-lit the trade and eventually fired Nico today can never be fired himself. Everything I said above about Nico can also be said about Dumont, and if I were a Mavs fan, I’d never be able trust him again.

And if this was the case, wouldn't the smart move have been to extend Luka last summer to a 5 year supermax, and then at the trade deadline, put him on the open market and create possibly the biggest bidding war in NBA history?

Why trade Luka with 1 year remaining on his contract when he showed no signs of wanting to leave and was willing to sign an extension?

And also negotiate only with 1 team? In secret....

[Ambrose]

Luka isnt some rando star. Nico doesnt have the authorization to trade the face of the franchise and perennial MVP candidate. He may have been pushing for it, but its not his decision.

The conspiracy theories make more sense than a GM being able to negotiate in secret and trade a franchise player who didnt ask out.

I mean he clearly did...because it happened. He leveraged the moves he made that got them to a finals, played up the narratives that people were talking about at that time, and duped a dumbass family that has no basketball knowledge whatsoever into doing something they regretted as soon as they understood what they did.

There isn't one conspiracy theory that makes more sense than that.

That's crazy. Luka is the team, making this a financial decision that goes far beyond Nico. The people that pay billions for a team are the ones deciding to trade one of the biggest stars in the NBA.

Nico may push for it, but on court decisions are overruled all the time by financial ones. Nico doesnt have the power to trade the star, especially coming off a finals appearance. That's insane. Im not a conspiracy guy generally, but its hard to convince me this was just a stupid guy who duped everyone else in the organization into doing something this stupid and duped the money people into trading one of the most exciting players in the league. And then the universe gave them the 1st overall pick

You're acting like Dumont saw Luka that way when he very clearly did not. We have an abundance of evidence that he's an idiot who knows nothing about basketball. So your whole premise falls apart. Nico did have that power because everyone was raving about his moves of picking up Kyrie, Gafford, PJ, DJJ and Lively. Combine that with the fact that Dumont knows nothing about basketball, he leaned on "the basketball guy", which was Nico. The only part that I think was possibly rigged was the #1 pick, and even then, that had to have come well after the fact. You're looking at this like a fan, not a billionaire who doesn't know jack **** about basketball.