The Kobe Step Through

sixerswillrule · Post #281 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue May 26, 2009 4:32 pm

Anyone see the move by Carmelo on Ariza about 1 minute into the 3rd last night? It was right after Gasol's nice reverse. Can't find a clip of it, though. He faked the the turnaround jumper, stepped forward, picked up his pivot and jumped off his other foot. And no, it wasn't called. But Van Gundy said it was a travel, and Phil got up screaming for a travel as well. If one of the best coaches of all-time agrees with me, then I'm satisfied.

TonyHeat45 · Post #282 » by **TonyHeat45** » Tue May 26, 2009 5:36 pm

That was different though. He took 2 steps after the move. It was stupid though, because he didn't even have to take the extra step, there was nobody in front of him after he used the fake.

tracey_nice · Post #283 » by **tracey_nice** » Tue May 26, 2009 5:58 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:Anyone see the move by Carmelo on Ariza about 1 minute into the 3rd last night? It was right after Gasol's nice reverse. Can't find a clip of it, though. He faked the the turnaround jumper, stepped forward, picked up his pivot and jumped off his other foot. And no, it wasn't called. But Van Gundy said it was a travel, and Phil got up screaming for a travel as well. If one of the best coaches of all-time agrees with me, then I'm satisfied.

give up

LayYou · Post #284 » by **LayYou** » Tue May 26, 2009 6:01 pm

another kobe vs lebron thread

Jordan23Forever · Post #285 » by **Jordan23Forever** » Tue May 26, 2009 6:55 pm

Yeah, that Carmelo move last night was a blatant travel. He didn't even need it, as TonyHeat45 said, since Ariza was hung out to dry and no one was covering the baseline.

sixerswillrule · Post #286 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue May 26, 2009 6:57 pm

TonyHeat45 wrote:That was different though. He took 2 steps after the move. It was stupid though, because he didn't even have to take the extra step, there was nobody in front of him after he used the fake.

Two steps after he stopped and pivoted? Don't think he did that, but I only saw it once, they didn't even show a replay. That would have been ridiculous, though.

Is there a full video of the game online somewhere? I couldn't find this play in all of the highlight videos.

Post #287 » by **tkb** » Tue May 26, 2009 7:00 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:This just doesn't add up. I've been playing and watching basketball for 12 years and I've always believed that this was a travel. I wouldn't have argued this for so long otherwise. I didn't just imagine this rule up. I'm not the only one who was under this impression. This is from experience watching and playing the game. I'm still going to look out for someone to actually pull this move in the league(more then what Kobe does or the common up and under), but I guess, until then, I'm wrong...

And mrfatwrecker, you're still a douchebag. Have fun with being that for the rest of your life. It's 973562 times worse then being wrong about one insignifcant detail.

Watch this clip, as this is basically the same thing only much more blatant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbUqK32ht3Y

Refs don't call a travel, and by looking at the reaction from the other players on the court, doesn't look like they disagree with it not being a travel.

Anyway, the rules have been laid out pretty convincingly. I was under the same impression as you before reading through this thread, but have changed my mind. The rules are pretty clear, and judging by those rules it isn't a travel.

It's a non-travel until someone else can produce a quote from the official rules that proves it wrong, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon as we've been over the rulebook several times in this thread and the rulebook supports the theory of it being a non-travel.

Post #288 » by **tkb** » Tue May 26, 2009 7:00 pm

Having said all this, everybody needs to cut out all the name calling. It's OK to argue and disagree, but keep it about the argument and stop all that immature crap that we've seen earlier in this thread. I know people get passionate about threads like this, but channel that passion towards the argument and leave the kindergarten stuff behind.

WadeKnicks2010 · Post #289 » by **WadeKnicks2010** » Tue May 26, 2009 8:05 pm

Based on the posts here some people really don't know the rules of basketball.

He Hate Me · Post #290 » by **He Hate Me** » Tue May 26, 2009 8:55 pm

I feel like this conversation would be over in 1 minute if we were on a basketball court and could display the obvious. A pivot foot is basically your anchor. We all agree that if the pivot foot slides it's a travel right?

Frosty · Post #291 » by **Frosty** » Tue May 26, 2009 9:03 pm

shaggyZ wrote:
mrfatwrecker wrote:You can pick up your pivot foot as long as it doesn't come back down. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

(Please Use More Appropriate Word), he has already used his dribble, he steps through and takes off on the foot that is closest to the basket. It's an obvious travel. Both feet are not close to leaving the floor at the same time. I like watching the Lakers and the Cavs. RealGM's biggest hater? Okay you're right, Kobe never travels. Ya got me.

If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.

sixerswillrule · Post #292 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue May 26, 2009 9:05 pm

Damn, I really want to see that play again. Did anyone record the game and can get it online somehow, or at least describe the play? That would be great.

ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #293 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Tue May 26, 2009 9:05 pm

that move is not a travel.

He Hate Me · Post #294 » by **He Hate Me** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:58 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GjXKrdYRk

MasterRyu · Post #295 » by **MasterRyu** » Wed May 27, 2009 2:37 pm

you know everyone travels A LOT in the NBA; superstars, stars, decent players, average players, and scrubs. It's just that when the scrubs travel they don't look good doing it, so it comes off blatant. When good players travel, it's usuallly pretty deceptive.

The point is everybody travels. It's just that people hate superstars so they look out for them more. People don't give a hoot about the scrubs, so their travels go unnoticed most of the time.

sixerswillrule · Post #296 » by **sixerswillrule** » Thu May 28, 2009 3:29 am

FOUND IT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYF40HjybqE

3:13

Pivots on his right foot, steps forward with his left, picks up his pivot and jumps off of his left foot. FINALLY, a blatant use of the move on video. And guess what? Mr. Bryant himself thinks that that move is illegal. That it is indeed a travel. THE ENTIRE LAKERS TEAM IS UNDER THIS IMPRESSION. PHIL JACKSON, ONE OF THE GREATEST COACHES OF ALL-TIME, BELIEVES THAT THIS MOVE IS NOT ALLOWED.

So I'm insulted for defending myself in this thread, but Phil Jackson coached his way to 9 championships while believing the very same thing? While being wrong about this fundamental rule? Yes?

:lol:

sixerswillrule · Post #297 » by **sixerswillrule** » Thu May 28, 2009 3:30 am

mrfatwrecker wrote:You can pick up your pivot foot as long as it doesn't come back down.

Your favorite team, player, and coach all disagree with you...

Dr Aki · Post #298 » by **Dr Aki** » Thu May 28, 2009 3:51 am

sixerswillrule wrote:FOUND IT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYF40HjybqE

3:13

Pivots on his right foot, steps forward with his left, picks up his pivot and jumps off of his left foot. FINALLY, a blatant use of the move on video. And guess what? Mr. Bryant himself thinks that that move is illegal. That it is indeed a travel. THE ENTIRE LAKERS TEAM IS UNDER THIS IMPRESSION. PHIL JACKSON, ONE OF THE GREATEST COACHES OF ALL-TIME, BELIEVES THAT THIS MOVE IS NOT ALLOWED.

So I'm insulted for defending myself in this thread, but Phil Jackson coached his way to 9 championships while believing the very same thing? While being wrong about this fundamental rule? Yes?

wasnt a travel

its only a travel if the right foot relands, the pivot foot is changed once the right foot lands, which it didn't.

therefore the pivot foot didnt change.

therefore, legal move.

read the rule over and over again. then ask yourself when a pivot foot is established. its not when one foot is on the ground, its when the other foot lands that establishes the first foot as the pivot

sixerswillrule wrote:
mrfatwrecker wrote:You can pick up your pivot foot as long as it doesn't come back down.

Your favorite team, player, and coach all disagree with you...

but the refs agree, and in the end, thats all that matters

sixerswillrule · Post #299 » by **sixerswillrule** » Thu May 28, 2009 3:57 am

You don't find it interesting that someone considered to be one of the greatest coaches of all-time doesn't know the rules?

Or Kobe, considered one of the greatest players in the game today?

Dr Aki · Post #300 » by **Dr Aki** » Thu May 28, 2009 3:58 am

sixerswillrule wrote:You don't find it interesting that someone considered to be one of the greatest coaches of all-time doesn't know the rules?

Or Kobe, considered one of the greatest players in the game today?

who really knows the rules these days?

id like the refs to know

i want my team to push the boundaries though, not follow them to the T