Laker's supporting cast - over rated ?

Silver Bullet · Post #281 » by **Silver Bullet** » Thu May 7, 2009 4:09 am

Are we not watching the same games ?

Somebody please tell me that Kobe is playing horrible, and his supporting cast is not over rated ...

Silver Bullet · Post #282 » by **Silver Bullet** » Thu May 7, 2009 4:10 am

Sorry, I meant best in the league.

Basileus777 · Post #283 » by **Basileus777** » Thu May 7, 2009 4:14 am

The Lakers really need more shooters. Ariza, Walton, Odom can't shoot. Fisher and Sasha aren't hitting anything.

Maybe they just miss Vlad.

Silver Bullet · Post #284 » by **Silver Bullet** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:44 pm

Hate to say I told you so .... but does anybody still think this Lakers supporting cast is the best in the league.

JordansBulls · Post #285 » by **JordansBulls** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:48 pm

Silver Bullet wrote:Hate to say I told you so .... but does anybody still think this Lakers supporting cast is the best in the league.

When you have another player on the team that leads in Win Shares and your main star finishes top 3 in MVP voting and finishes #2nd in MVP voting then you have a terrific supporting cast.

No Offense · Post #286 » by **No Offense** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:49 pm

Why are Lakers fans always trying to convince people that the Lakers aren't deep?

You guys do realize Kobe can still be a great player and MVP talent with a good team, right?

RockTHECasbah · Post #287 » by **RockTHECasbah** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:00 pm

Bosh has hit some clutch shots and had some clutch rebounds/blocks... fakers like you only remember the misses

Volcano · Post #288 » by **Volcano** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:10 pm

Kobe's pretty overrated, his supporting cast isn't overrated. Combined they're just not that strong defensively..and that includes Kobe as well.

chrice · Post #289 » by **chrice** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:18 pm

Please stop this Kobe apologist crap. They have the deepest bench in the league, on top of having the best active coach. Cavs have a one of the slowest and least athletic starting 5/4 combinations, on top of having very small back court players. The reason for success is pretty clear.

C'mon Cavs · Post #290 » by **C'mon Cavs** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:18 pm

Silver Bullet wrote:Hate to say I told you so .... but does anybody still think this Lakers supporting cast is the best in the league.

Yeah. When they win the NBA Finals will you delete your account? It's not like Kobe is playing great in these games that are supposed to show how overrated his cast is. 7-17 with 2 points in the second half. That just seems like typical Kobe...when the going gets tough, he's suddenly nowhere to be found.

Maybe if he kept fighting then Gasol's 4th quarter explosion would have cut the lead to single digits instead of getting it to within 15. Also, mabye if Kobe was in Battier's area code on some of those 3's, the Rockets don't jump out to an insurmountable lead.

The Lakers defense was bad, but Kobe was a part of that. They're still going to win the series and they're likely going to win the Finals. When the Lakers cast plays great next game what are you going to say?

SimonAdebisi · Post #291 » by **SimonAdebisi** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:40 pm

I'm really annoyed by some of you Cavs fans like C'Mon Cavs that are predicting the Lakers are going to win the title, as I've seen multiple times in the last few weeks. It's clearly a reverse-jinx attempt, but have some **** confidence in your team, they're clearly the best so far.

Illmatic21 · Post #292 » by **Illmatic21** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:46 pm

C'mon Cavs wrote:
Silver Bullet wrote:Hate to say I told you so .... but does anybody still think this Lakers supporting cast is the best in the league.

Yeah. When they win the NBA Finals will you delete your account? It's not like Kobe is playing great in these games that are supposed to show how overrated his cast is. 7-17 with 2 points in the second half. That just seems like typical Kobe...when the going gets tough, he's suddenly nowhere to be found.

Maybe if he kept fighting then Gasol's 4th quarter explosion would have cut the lead to single digits instead of getting it to within 15. Also, mabye if Kobe was in Battier's area code on some of those 3's, the Rockets don't jump out to an insurmountable lead.

The Lakers defense was bad, but Kobe was a part of that. They're still going to win the series and they're likely going to win the Finals. When the Lakers cast plays great next game what are you going to say?

How are you going to spend your whole post bashing Kobe, and then predict that the Lakers will win the Finals in the same breath?

Volcano · Post #293 » by **Volcano** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:50 pm

Illmatic21 wrote:How are you going to spend your whole post bashing Kobe, and then predict that the Lakers will win the Finals in the same breath?

What's wrong with that? If Lakers have a great team, they could win without Kobe being a superstar

Illmatic21 · Post #294 » by **Illmatic21** » Sun May 10, 2009 11:04 pm

Volcano wrote:
Illmatic21 wrote:How are you going to spend your whole post bashing Kobe, and then predict that the Lakers will win the Finals in the same breath?

What's wrong with that? If Lakers have a great team, they could win without Kobe being a superstar

Considering that Kobe has more or less had to be a "superstar" in all the games LA has won thus far, how would it make sense to imply that Kobe could suck and the Lakers could still win the Finals? I'm not computing...

SimonAdebisi wrote:I'm really annoyed by some of you Cavs fans like C'Mon Cavs that are predicting the Lakers are going to win the title, as I've seen multiple times in the last few weeks. It's clearly a reverse-jinx attempt, but have some **** confidence in your team, they're clearly the best so far.

He's trying to down the competition while simultaneously trying to cover his a** in case the Cavs don't win the championship. Why not have some balls and stand behind your team? The way I see it, if you want to be a jacka**, or if you want to talk s***, why not just come out and do it instead of hiding behind a wall of cryptic words? Just my two cents..

C'mon Cavs · Post #295 » by **C'mon Cavs** » Sun May 10, 2009 11:54 pm

He's trying to down the competition while simultaneously trying to cover his a** in case the Cavs don't win the championship. Why not have some balls and stand behind your team? The way I see it, if you want to be a jacka**, or if you want to talk s***, why not just come out and do it instead of hiding behind a wall of cryptic words? Just my two cents..

Because my teams never win anything. When you see 6 of your teams lose in championship games/series in the last 2+ years, you start preparing yourself for defeat and take on a very pessimistic attitude. Plus, nothing is going to change the obvious matchup advantages L.A. has in Gasol and Odom. When things look their best in Cleveland sports, you know the worst is just around the bend...trust me.

What could be better than the Cavs winning the NBA title in the Q against that arrogant prick Kobe and the Lakers? Nothing...so it won't happen. This season will end with me staring blankly ahead just like all the championship runs have. You can see it from a mile away...I'm just not letting myself get blinded by the team success.

microfib4thewin · Post #296 » by **microfib4thewin** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:50 am

Volcano wrote:
Illmatic21 wrote:How are you going to spend your whole post bashing Kobe, and then predict that the Lakers will win the Finals in the same breath?

What's wrong with that? If Lakers have a great team, they could win without Kobe being a superstar

The Kobe hate has become atrocious enough to think the Lakers can win if Kobe is a non-factor. He's still the only dependable player on the team who can get his own shots no matter what. Gasol can do it sometimes but isn't always strong enough to finish, Odom's only reliable way to score is laying it up from the left, and Bynum has done nothing this postseason. I could see Kobe scoring in the low 20s if Bynum fulfills his potential, but at the moment Kobe still has a lot of weight to carry.

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #297 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:13 am

microfib4thewin wrote:
Volcano wrote:
Illmatic21 wrote:How are you going to spend your whole post bashing Kobe, and then predict that the Lakers will win the Finals in the same breath?

What's wrong with that? If Lakers have a great team, they could win without Kobe being a superstar

The Kobe hate has become atrocious enough to think the Lakers can win if Kobe is a non-factor. He's still the only dependable player on the team who can get his own shots no matter what. Gasol can do it sometimes but isn't always strong enough to finish, Odom's only reliable way to score is laying it up from the left, and Bynum has done nothing this postseason. I could see Kobe scoring in the low 20s if Bynum fulfills his potential, but at the moment Kobe still has a lot of weight to carry.

Kobe went 4-25 and they still had a chance to win @ Utah....in comparison to other supporting casts in the league, i would say KG has the most help and most room for error with Kobe 2nd..and i think Dwight has similar help that Kobe has.

G35 · Post #298 » by **G35** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:23 am

Lakers have some very talented skill players. So that's great when you have something like a skills competition, shooting contest. So they look good when they are given open shots, not facing pressure defense, aggressive defenders.

But all that skill fades when teams get into the Laker players comfort zone. Lil pushes, grabs, shoves will throw that skill out the window.

Physicality is an equalizer to talent/skill. Varejao is nowhere near as skilled as Gasol but he can equal his production with timely picks, offensive reb's, hustle, drawing offensive fouls and strong defense. In all those areas Varejao is a 10 whereas I can't remember the last time Gasol drew an offensive foul or set a strong pick.

There is more to basketball that eFG% and PER.....

6_Rings · Post #299 » by **6_Rings** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:25 am

is Vujajic, Scola's brother?

SimonAdebisi · Post #300 » by **SimonAdebisi** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:26 am

6_Rings wrote:is Vujajic, Scola's brother?

No, it's his sister actually.