The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

Post #2821 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 1:49 pm

Simmons is now at 9 win shares. 12th most by a rookie in the 3 point era. Not bad for a guy that can't shoot.

hookshot199 · Post #2822 » by **hookshot199** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 2:40 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Simmons is now at 9 win shares. 12th most by a rookie in the 3 point era. Not bad for a guy that can't shoot.

And as you're aware, he's slowly but surely expanding his range. When the next season begins, I wouldn't be surprised to see him take open shots from the foul line. He makes everyone around him better.

commentatorer · Post #2823 » by **commentatorer** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:06 pm

Simmons looks way better without Embiid.
Now he doesn't have to wait for Embiid to walk up the court.

Hipster Doofus · Post #2824 » by **Hipster Doofus** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:14 pm

mateos wrote:35 votes for Lonzo is all from Ball family i guess.

Underrated comment :lol:

Hipster Doofus · Post #2825 » by **Hipster Doofus** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:15 pm

nurseryc wrote:
On a side note- Simmons career will potentially be wrecked and over next year if Lebron signs with Sixers. Lebron in Sixers will restrict Simmons game and render him useless

Or Ben will average about 20 assists per game

Black Mage · Post #2826 » by **Black Mage** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:41 pm

Simmons is now the only player to average a triple double over a 13 game win streak in NBA history. He passed Oscar at 12 last night.

Debate over.

AGE1207 · Post #2827 » by **AGE1207** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 4:25 pm

Black Mage wrote:Simmons is now the only player to average a triple double over a 13 game win streak in NBA history. He passed Oscar at 12 last night.

Debate over.

Well, good to know there was a debate at least. I had the impression at times people didn't even want to debate.

Misteclipse · Post #2828 » by **Misteclipse** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 5:15 pm

nurseryc wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
nurseryc wrote:
On a side note- Simmons career will potentially be wrecked and over next year if Lebron signs with Sixers. Lebron in Sixers will restrict Simmons game and render him useless

Yeah that stuff is so lolworthy

Simmons and Embiid are 2 of the few guys in the league with the talent and attitude to prevent LeBron rolling over them

I don’t particularly want him at the Sixers but you’d have to be nuts to think that they can’t play together

But what would Lebron be on the Sixers with Simmons having the ball in his hands like he currently does? Would Lebron be a spot up shooter and someone Simmons just hits for great assists? We would be asking Lebron to completely change his game?

What would LeBron be on the Heat with Wade handling the ball? It's a dumb question because two elite players are exactly that, elite. They make it work.

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commentatorer · Post #2829 » by **commentatorer** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 6:13 pm

Wade liked handling the ball a lot but he never struck me as pass-first nor was he a Point Guard.
Simmons is 100% pure Point Guard with pass-first instincts.
If LeBron comes to Philly, he will have to adapt to Simmons.
Simmons has no obligation to change, because Simmons is 100% pure Point Guard.
I don't think LeBron is versatile enough to play off-the-ball, so I don't think he should come to Philly.
Go to the Lakers and take Lonzo Ball's ball.

bebopdeluxe · Post #2830 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 6:53 pm

commentatorer wrote:Wade liked handling the ball a lot but he never struck me as pass-first nor was he a Point Guard.
Simmons is 100% pure Point Guard with pass-first instincts.
If LeBron comes to Philly, he will have to adapt to Simmons.
Simmons has no obligation to change, because Simmons is 100% pure Point Guard.
I don't think LeBron is versatile enough to play off-the-ball, so I don't think he should come to Philly.
Go to the Lakers and take Lonzo Ball's ball.

So that I understand what you are saying...

Your point is that LeBron James - to many people (not you, but other basketball observers) one of the top 3-to-5 players in NBA history - is not “versatile enough to play off the ball”?

That is your position?

Ummm...I disagree.

Stribor · Post #2831 » by **Stribor** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 6:56 pm

LB is the only one that can be in discussion about the goat besides MJ, yet I am frightened of the idea that he comes to Philly. We are playing team first basketball with two young stars and LB has a tendency to do things for himself. I do not want a guy who wil not shoot late secs 3pt, because he cares to much about his stats close to Philly. Ben, Embiid, Fultz, Dario, JJ, Roco all seem more then happy to sacrifice their numbers for team wins and that is the chemistry I do not want destroyed by "me first" superstar...

jjscap · Post #2832 » by **jjscap** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 7:52 pm

commentatorer wrote:Wade liked handling the ball a lot but he never struck me as pass-first nor was he a Point Guard.
Simmons is 100% pure Point Guard with pass-first instincts.
If LeBron comes to Philly, he will have to adapt to Simmons.
Simmons has no obligation to change, because Simmons is 100% pure Point Guard.
I don't think LeBron is versatile enough to play off-the-ball, so I don't think he should come to Philly.
Go to the Lakers and take Lonzo Ball's ball.

They said the same about CP3 - Harden pairing. Imo if both are high IQ unselfish players it should work just fine.

APettyJ · Post #2833 » by **APettyJ** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 8:03 pm

jjscap wrote:
commentatorer wrote:Wade liked handling the ball a lot but he never struck me as pass-first nor was he a Point Guard.
Simmons is 100% pure Point Guard with pass-first instincts.
If LeBron comes to Philly, he will have to adapt to Simmons.
Simmons has no obligation to change, because Simmons is 100% pure Point Guard.
I don't think LeBron is versatile enough to play off-the-ball, so I don't think he should come to Philly.
Go to the Lakers and take Lonzo Ball's ball.

They said the same about CP3 - Harden pairing. Imo if both are high IQ unselfish players it should work just fine.

It was also said about Simmons and Saric, and yet the Sixers starting unit is best in NBA in net rating. What happens to Simmons if high IQ saric is replaced with high IQ/ greater talented Lebron?

Jazz Dog · Post #2834 » by **Jazz Dog** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 8:25 pm

Let me get this straight, Simmons is awesome. Second player to have 1200 points, 600 rebounds and 600 assists. Very impressive indeed.

Also is shooting 0% from the 3 point line, horrible for a guard. Every Philly fan prays at the end of a close game he isn’t fouled. Horrible for a guard not to be able to hit a high rate of free throws. How are his turnovers, don’t care to look but he has to be close to the top of the wrong stat. Great player but he still has flaws that need to be corrected. In the playoffs his lack of shooting ability will be exploited.

sixerhp3 · Post #2835 » by **sixerhp3** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 8:47 pm

Jazz Dog wrote:Let me get this straight, Simmons is awesome. Second player to have 1200 points, 600 rebounds and 600 assists. Very impressive indeed.

Also is shooting 0% from the 3 point line, horrible for a guard. Every Philly fan prays at the end of a close game he isn’t fouled. Horrible for a guard not to be able to hit a high rate of free throws. How are his turnovers, don’t care to look but he has to be close to the top of the wrong stat. Great player but he still has flaws that need to be corrected. In the playoffs his lack of shooting ability will be exploited.

Hater post. Watch the games and check the standings. His lack of a 3 point shot has not hurt the team and he has the work ethic to eventually develop one.

APettyJ · Post #2836 » by **APettyJ** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 8:58 pm

Jazz Dog wrote:Let me get this straight, Simmons is awesome. Second player to have 1200 points, 600 rebounds and 600 assists. Very impressive indeed.

Also is shooting 0% from the 3 point line, horrible for a guard. Every Philly fan prays at the end of a close game he isn’t fouled. Horrible for a guard not to be able to hit a high rate of free throws. How are his turnovers, don’t care to look but he has to be close to the top of the wrong stat. Great player but he still has flaws that need to be corrected. In the playoffs his lack of shooting ability will be exploited.

During this epic run the Sixers are on Simmons' TOs are practically nonexistent. On the season he averages 3.4 tpg. In comparison Mitchell averages 2.7. Of course, Simmons averages over 8 apg, so has an A:TO ratio of 2.38, good for 43rd in league, on rookie playing experience.

RB34 · Post #2837 » by **RB34** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 10:01 pm

Jazz Dog wrote:Let me get this straight, Simmons is awesome. Second player to have 1200 points, 600 rebounds and 600 assists. Very impressive indeed.

Also is shooting 0% from the 3 point line, horrible for a guard. Every Philly fan prays at the end of a close game he isn’t fouled. Horrible for a guard not to be able to hit a high rate of free throws. How are his turnovers, don’t care to look but he has to be close to the top of the wrong stat. Great player but he still has flaws that need to be corrected. In the playoffs his lack of shooting ability will be exploited.

How are Mitchell’s percentages? Don’t care to look he’s a chucker.

You really shouldn’t make statements like that it will turn people to hate on Mitchell.

Jazz Dog · Post #2838 » by **Jazz Dog** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 11:40 pm

First off, my statements have not been proven false.

Simmons 0% from 3 point line.
Simmons for a guard, is a horrible free throw shooter.
Simmons is one of the leaders in turnovers for all rookies. This one is more misleading becasue he has the ball in his hand for more possessions then other rookies.

With these three true statements above, I will state what you all think I don't agree with. Ben Simmons is the best rookie that I have ever seen besides Lebron James and will win the ROY award. He is great at multi facets of the game but he has work to do in the above mentioned areas. Until he develops an outside shot he will not get the love that you all want to give him as a top 10 player.

Here in Utah we all love Donovan Mitchell, we are all enjoying how much enjoyment and passion he has brought to what we all were thinking was going to be a very long season.

We can all talk about his faults, but at the same time, we all believe that he will learn from this season and come back even better next year. He has two things going for him, first and most important is his attiude and how that allows him to approach the game. The second one is we have a very good coaching staff, that we have a lot of trust in, every young player gets better here if there are willing to put in the practice (think opposite of Lyles).

Sorry I got so many of you riled up but to be true fans I believe you need to be critical of your success as well. Don't see much of that going on here.

Peace to all.

Sphynx · Post #2839 » by **Sphynx** » Sun Apr 8, 2018 12:06 am

Jazz Dog wrote:Let me get this straight, Simmons is awesome. Second player to have 1200 points, 600 rebounds and 600 assists. Very impressive indeed.

Also is shooting 0% from the 3 point line, horrible for a guard. Every Philly fan prays at the end of a close game he isn’t fouled. Horrible for a guard not to be able to hit a high rate of free throws. How are his turnovers, don’t care to look but he has to be close to the top of the wrong stat. Great player but he still has flaws that need to be corrected. In the playoffs his lack of shooting ability will be exploited.

His assists to TO ratio since christmas is like 4:1.

He's the best passer in the league imo.

HotelVitale · Post #2840 » by **HotelVitale** » Sun Apr 8, 2018 12:41 am

Jazz Dog wrote: Also is shooting 0% from the 3 point line, horrible for a guard. Every Philly fan prays at the end of a close game he isn’t fouled. Horrible for a guard not to be able to hit a high rate of free throws. How are his turnovers, don’t care to look but he has to be close to the top of the wrong stat.

The numbers: First he hasn't shot a single 3 pointer this year, the attempts you see in the stat sheet are all full court heaves at the end of quarter/half. And he's shooting 56% from the FT line--that's not great obviously but statistically that's the same as shooting 56% from the field, which is pretty solid end of game option. And over the last two months he's averaged 10.4 assists to 2.7 TOs.

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