Metta World Peace elbow to Harden

BBgun · Post #301 » by **BBgun** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:46 pm

Artest will deny it was intentional and I'll hate him even more....

Jan_Sobieski · Post #302 » by **Jan_Sobieski** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:46 pm

CROSS+ wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27DBI_re_r8[/youtube]

Player was suspended for 8 games. A season consists of 34 games.

all ball bro all ball / green

Black Feet · Post #303 » by **Black Feet** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:47 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
sonicFLAME6 wrote:Anyone saying this was unintentional is either blind or just plain mentally challenged.

Right, let's distinguish:

Unintentional: He didn't know Harden was there.
Intentional: He did know Harden was there

Unpremeditated: He didn't think it through before he did it.
Premeditated: He did think it through before he did it.

This is clearly Intentional but UNpremeditated. Not being premeditated helps you in a court of law, but that's not where we are. If I'm Stern, it's actually scary that it wasn't premeditated because it means that there's literally no point in giving a temporary punishment: It won't change anything. So you can either give a temporary punishment to save face, remove Artest permanently, or do nothing. The unreasonableness of the first choice, and the unacceptability of the last choice make the permanent ban something I seriously consider.

I understand if that doesn't seem fair to Artest, but remember, Stern's not in the "fair" business. The question is what makes it worthwhile to him to stay in the Artest business knowing that the NBA will be held partially responsible for any damage Artest causes given that they've ALREADY seen him do so much even before this incident.

Feel bad for Artest, but making millions in the NBA is not a right, it's a privilege.

you're crazy, Stern is not even going to consider banning Artest from NBA. I doubt the thought even comes up, people need to stop overreacting.

supermario · Post #304 » by **supermario** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:49 pm

Only way MWP would get banned is if he hit another fan.

rayofsunshine · Post #305 » by **rayofsunshine** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:50 pm

it was definitely intentional. dude even wound up.

-[Clippers]- · Post #306 » by **-[Clippers]-** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:50 pm

Harden flopped, and he's a bitch for not going after MWP.

/General Board

In all seriousness, what a classless, punk move by MWP - he deserves a long suspension.

Post #307 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:50 pm

Buckeyevstworld wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:8 years might seem like a long time, but from Stern's perspective, this just shows that if you keep having Artest around, you have to expect that stuff like this will keep happening, albeit relatively rarely. Maybe Artest retires without doing something like this again, but what motivates Stern to take the chance?

Oh God. He elbowed him in the head. You're making it sound like he beat him down like in Menace II Society.

Question for everyone: Is there, or is there not, a chance of a fractured skull when a player makes a play like Artest just made?

If there's a chance, and a player has shown that after repeated incidents he's still prone toward doing that while in a fit of joy of all things, how is this not a problem?

And I'll repeat again: What's the point in temporary punishment for a permanent problem? This isn't prison were talking about where a "permanent solution" means life/death sentences. We're simply talking about a player losing his cushy job because he has a tendency hurt his coworkers.

Amish Mafioso · Post #308 » by **Amish Mafioso** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:52 pm

Nah, he shouldn't be banned.

He should be taken out back and have a bullet put in his head.

Post #309 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:52 pm

Black Feet wrote: you're crazy, Stern is not even going to consider banning Artest from NBA. I doubt the thought even comes up, people need to stop overreacting.

I have no idea what Stern will do, but I think people like you just don't have the proper perspective here. Getting fired, which is all a lifetime ban is, should not seem crazy to people when violence is involved.

-[Clippers]- · Post #310 » by **-[Clippers]-** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:52 pm

ikidunot wrote:I didn't think he meant to do it. He was caught up in the moment.

There are plenty of players who have never even thought of doing something like that in the heat of the moment, because they have self-control. MWP (and Bynum for that matter) lacks that self-control.

JackFinn · Post #311 » by **JackFinn** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:53 pm

[GR] wrote:McHale, Oakley, and Lambeer all would be banned from the league if guys here had their way

Oakley and McHale no, that thug Laimbeer hell yes.

TheCustodian · Post #312 » by **TheCustodian** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:53 pm

People are going crazy about it because it's Ron Artest.
Anyone else would get 2 games for this. Ron will most likely get more because of his bad rep.
But anyone mentioning lifetime or season or whatever is crazy.
Yes, it was an elbow to the head and it was intentional. But it's not like this is the first time someone got elbowed in the NBA. Nor is this the first time Harden took a dramatic dive and rolled on the ground clutching his head like that.

RiotPunch · Post #313 » by **RiotPunch** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:54 pm

Black Feet wrote: you're crazy, Stern is not even going to consider banning Artest from NBA. I doubt the thought even comes up, people need to stop overreacting.

Couldn't disagree more. This guy is a walking ticking time bomb and is built like the Hulk. He doesn't have control of himself or his actions. I think banning him from the league is the only real option here. You're talking about a mentally unstable guy that gets set off to throw an extremely malicious and violent blow to a players head OVER A SHOULDER BUMP. That is straight up scary, and I don't think Ron even understands what he did wrong.

When he sees red he goes into rage mode and cannot help himself. Watch the replay when Ibaka goes after him, you can see the crazy rage in his eyes. You can't F with that if you're Stern. He got a 2nd chance and he's still a maniac and a huge safety risk.

rayofsunshine · Post #314 » by **rayofsunshine** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:54 pm

I wonder if OKC decided to capitalize on this by not letting Harden come back to play? Seems like he was able to come back and someone changed their mind.

Charsace · Post #315 » by **Charsace** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:55 pm

Could you imagine the **** storm if Harden had ended up in a coma? 20 games is what I would give him.

-[Clippers]- · Post #316 » by **-[Clippers]-** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:56 pm

BTW, in retrospect, I thought Artest should have been banned from the league after that despicable clothesline he laid on JJ Barea in the playoffs last year... so now that I think about it, he really deserves a lifetime ban.

Jase · Post #317 » by **Jase** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:57 pm

Absolute moronic move by Artest. He's been trying so hard to shake his bad rep, but with this one move, it's all for nothing. I'd be fine with his season being done. Suspension for the Playoffs. Banning is a stretch, but the NBA needs to send a message, especially with concussions becoming an issue. There is absolutely ZERO excuse or justification for this.

thecircle · Post #318 » by **thecircle** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:57 pm

classless

sefant77 · Post #319 » by **sefant77** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:57 pm

-[Clippers]- wrote:BTW, in retrospect, I thought Artest should have been banned from the league after that despicable clothesline he laid on JJ Barea in the playoffs last year... so now that I think about it, he really deserves a lifetime ban.

Most of your postings are giant bull

Post #320 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:58 pm

rayofsunshine wrote:I wonder if OKC decided to capitalize on this by not letting Harden come back to play? Seems like he was able to come back and someone changed their mind.

He needs to get a pretty thorough medical examination before coming back. maybe he's fine, but it makes no sense to say to the doc "make it quick, we desperately need him back today!". Forget team strategy for a second, if I'm Harden, I prefer to see my team concerned with my health, and I'm about to be a free agent.