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Re: Jazzfan1971's Preseason Commentary 

Post#301 » by Nuntius » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:39 am

Blount wrote:Scola is washed up as is Pierce, Garnett and Terry. The only challenge to the Bulls in the east is Miami.


Scola is 33 years old. If he is washed up then the same can be told for Mike Dunleavy which will turn 33 before the season starts. Or for Kirk Hinrich who will turn 33 in January and has significantly more wear and tear on his body than Scola. Or for Boozer who was more inefficient last year than Scola has ever been in his career.

The truth is that none of them is washed up. Scola is indeed 33 years old but the man has only played 6 NBA seasons. He doesn't have a lot of wear and tear on his body and his injury history is clean as he has only missed 8 NBA games throughout his career.
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Post#302 » by orange_juice32 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:53 am

Out of Nets/Pacers/Bulls, I think Pacers have the least amount of question marks surrounding their team so they are my #2 seed for now out East.
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Re: Jazzfan1971's Preseason Commentary 

Post#303 » by tranjSAIC » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:07 pm

orange_juice32 wrote:Out of Nets/Pacers/Bulls, I think Pacers have the least amount of question marks surrounding their team so they are my #2 seed for now out East.

As a neutral 3rd party fan I would agree with this as well. Who knows how much juice the old guys in Brooklyn have left, plus how will they integrate in with the team. The Bulls are banking on a superstar who's been out for how long?

IMO, I think it's going to be a close race at the top of the eastern standings this year, I don't think any fan base can really talk smack at this moment except Miami because they are the defending champs.
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Post#304 » by dafunky1 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:38 pm

As a Bulls fan..........I would not give 2 chits where the Bulls place as long as they are healthy come playoff time.For me it's about health,not seeding.
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Re: Jazzfan1971's Preseason Commentary 

Post#305 » by SF_Warriors » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:15 pm

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SF_Warriors wrote:Any reports on Granger? He was one of my favorite players on that team. He does seem to miss significant time each season.


Prior to this season he only missed significant time in his 4th and 5th season.

Rookie season: 4 missed games
2nd season: 0 missed games
3rd season: 2 missed games
4th season: 15 missed games
5th season: 20 missed games
6th season: 3 missed games
7th season: 4 missed games

Granger had a relatively healthy career until this season. Of course, we cannot know how things will work after his return but up to that point he wasn't injury prone at all.



Hmm.. yes maybe him being out for the whole season last year made me think he missed more time in prior seasons. Either way, wishing him best of luck.
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Post#306 » by NZB2323 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:18 pm

DGrangeRx33 wrote:All these Bulls fans are adorable.

I am a Pacers fan that recognizes the Bulls as a legit threat. I wish the Bulls franchise looked at the Pacers the same way their fans do, because if they looked past us, we would smack them. That being said, the Bulls are a very well organization and I promise you they see the Pacers as a threat, even if their fans do not.


I'm a Bulls fan who sees the Pacers as a legit threat. I think that the vast majority of Bulls fans believe that the Pacers are a contender this year.

However, prior to last year, when the Bulls without Derrick Rose almost had as many wins as the Pacers, the Bulls had the best record in the regular season 2 seasons in a row. Adding Derrick Rose, having Jimmy Butler start, and adding three point shooters and Kirk Hinrich to the bench means that the Bulls could very well have the best record in the NBA again.

The strength of the Pacers is playing at a slow pace and relying on their starting five, which helps them more in the playoffs than the regular season. I agree that the Pacers have improved and should have a better record next year.
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Post#307 » by SF_Warriors » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:30 pm

another unbiased fan here..

Indy and Chi look very even to me.
I think a playoff sereies will go seven games, and either team can win it.

I would give the bulls a slight edge if Rose is back 100%.
Reason being that Chi has a perimeter creator/closer that Indy does not really have.

Hill and George are not the type of perimeter guys I want down the stretch offensively. Granger will help, but he is not a better closer than Rose. Not by a long shot.

The bench guys Indy added can be cancelled out by the bulls bench.
Scola and taj
watson and kirk
dunleavy is a productive player and at the very least serviceable.

I wouldnt compare granger to dun, but more of rose to granger. My reasoning is because both guys are their respective teams' best perimeter offensive players. Rose definitely has the advantage there.
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Re: Jazzfan1971's Preseason Commentary 

Post#308 » by Nuntius » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:40 pm

SF_Warriors wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
SF_Warriors wrote:Any reports on Granger? He was one of my favorite players on that team. He does seem to miss significant time each season.


Prior to this season he only missed significant time in his 4th and 5th season.

Rookie season: 4 missed games
2nd season: 0 missed games
3rd season: 2 missed games
4th season: 15 missed games
5th season: 20 missed games
6th season: 3 missed games
7th season: 4 missed games

Granger had a relatively healthy career until this season. Of course, we cannot know how things will work after his return but up to that point he wasn't injury prone at all.



Hmm.. yes maybe him being out for the whole season last year made me think he missed more time in prior seasons. Either way, wishing him best of luck.


It's ok, it happens. Thanks for the wishes :)
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Post#309 » by whonka » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:47 pm

Guzman_9 wrote:If you really think the addition of Rose, Dunleavy and the "emergence" of Butler is more significant than the addition of Scola, Granger, Watson and Copeland then well you are in for a big surprise Bulls fans.



The Bulls offer to trade you Rose, Dunleavy, and Butler for Scola, Granger, Watson, Copeland.


Do you really say no?
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Post#310 » by dice » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:00 pm

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DGrangeRx33 wrote:All these Bulls fans are adorable.

I am a Pacers fan that recognizes the Bulls as a legit threat. I wish the Bulls franchise looked at the Pacers the same way their fans do, because if they looked past us, we would smack them. That being said, the Bulls are a very well organization and I promise you they see the Pacers as a threat, even if their fans do not.


I'm a Bulls fan who sees the Pacers as a legit threat. I think that the vast majority of Bulls fans believe that the Pacers are a contender this year.

i haven't seen a single bulls fan say that the pacers aren't a threat. but you're also not gonna find many saying the pacers are quite as good as the bulls (though there are a few)
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Post#311 » by Trader_Joe » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:02 pm

SF_Warriors wrote:another unbiased fan here..

Indy and Chi look very even to me.
I think a playoff sereies will go seven games, and either team can win it.

I would give the bulls a slight edge if Rose is back 100%.
Reason being that Chi has a perimeter creator/closer that Indy does not really have.

Hill and George are not the type of perimeter guys I want down the stretch offensively. Granger will help, but he is not a better closer than Rose. Not by a long shot.

The bench guys Indy added can be cancelled out by the bulls bench.
Scola and taj
watson and kirk
dunleavy is a productive player and at the very least serviceable.

I wouldnt compare granger to dun, but more of rose to granger. My reasoning is because both guys are their respective teams' best perimeter offensive players. Rose definitely has the advantage there.

Home-court will help too, but I think Indy takes it in 6 or 7.

a. Chicago is never healthy by the playoffs. It's a combination of Thibs riding his players hard as hell day in and day out and stressing the importance of every single game and that his players simply have injury histories and a ton of miles on their bodies by now. Deng, Boozer, Hinirch, Noah. By the time they face each other it would be the 2nd or 3rd round and I expect injuries to the Bulls again.

b. Indy beat them 3-1 last season, won 4 more games. and
Indy will add:
-confidence and experience from the ECF
-Granger, Scola, Watson, Copeland
-the continued growth of PG and Hibbert (who should have a much better regular season)
-losing no one of significance
Chicao will add:
-Rose
-MDJr
-losing Nate and Marco B

c. Given the amount of confidence and arrogance I read on here about the team and Rose's return I wonder if the team will carry that confidence as well and assume they will go back to being a 60 win team even though their landscape of the East was much weaker back then and the bench much better. We don't know what Rose is coming back. He comes off a major injury and a game based off athleticism. Did he also expose a mental weakness by sitting out 18 months?

d. SF's dominate the game these days.. LBJ, Durant, George, Melo to a lesser extent. It's also been big men and SGs (Shaq, Dirk, TD, Kobe) A high usage, high scoring PG hasn't won a title in some time now. RW made the Finals, but he had KD also.

e. Indy has a plethora of big man to throw at Noah to get him in foul trouble, while Boozer remains exploitable. Gibson is a great back up, but Nazr is limited in what he can offer.

f. I like Chicago's starting wings on defense, but neither are going to make the other side work defensively. They will play great defense on George, but Deng and Butler aren't major offensive threats they will have to worry about. Indy also has great depth with Lance/Granger/Copeland etc.

Overall I think Indy is the better team.
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Post#312 » by Nuntius » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:25 pm

whonka wrote:The Bulls offer to trade you Rose, Dunleavy, and Butler for Scola, Granger, Watson, Copeland.

Do you really say no?


If you add Jimmy Butler in the equation then the Pacers can add their own emergences in Paul George and Lance Stephenson.
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Post#313 » by Trader_Joe » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:33 pm

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DGrangeRx33 wrote:All these Bulls fans are adorable.

I am a Pacers fan that recognizes the Bulls as a legit threat. I wish the Bulls franchise looked at the Pacers the same way their fans do, because if they looked past us, we would smack them. That being said, the Bulls are a very well organization and I promise you they see the Pacers as a threat, even if their fans do not.


I'm a Bulls fan who sees the Pacers as a legit threat. I think that the vast majority of Bulls fans believe that the Pacers are a contender this year.

i haven't seen a single bulls fan say that the pacers aren't a threat. but you're also not gonna find many saying the pacers are quite as good as the bulls (though there are a few)

I looked at the EC predictions on your board once and out of the seemingly hundred or so different opinions I don't remember anyone not have the Bulls and Heat #1 and #2 (not necessarily in that order)
This was one, but I thought there was a much longer one:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1263190
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Post#314 » by dafunky1 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:56 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
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NZB2323 wrote:
I'm a Bulls fan who sees the Pacers as a legit threat. I think that the vast majority of Bulls fans believe that the Pacers are a contender this year.

i haven't seen a single bulls fan say that the pacers aren't a threat. but you're also not gonna find many saying the pacers are quite as good as the bulls (though there are a few)

I looked at the EC predictions on your board once and out of the seemingly hundred or so different opinions I don't remember anyone not have the Bulls and Heat #1 and #2 (not necessarily in that order)
This was one, but I thought there was a much longer one:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1263190


And there is also Bulls fans (like me) who don't give a rats ass where the Bulls are seeded.I know for a fact that Indiana is gonna give the Bulls fits.You can't speak for all Bulls fans.My reason is that the Bulls have shown they can win on the road.
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Post#315 » by dice » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:43 am

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I'm a Bulls fan who sees the Pacers as a legit threat. I think that the vast majority of Bulls fans believe that the Pacers are a contender this year.

i haven't seen a single bulls fan say that the pacers aren't a threat. but you're also not gonna find many saying the pacers are quite as good as the bulls (though there are a few)

I looked at the EC predictions on your board once and out of the seemingly hundred or so different opinions I don't remember anyone not have the Bulls and Heat #1 and #2 (not necessarily in that order)
This was one, but I thought there was a much longer one:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1263190

there are quite a few bulls fans saying (incorrectly :)) that the pacers have a better shot at taking out the heat. current thread on the bulls board
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Post#316 » by Trader_Joe » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:03 am

Some may actually think that, some might be saying that.
Personally, I'd rather be under the radar with the bullseye on someone else's back. Never really understood the need to hype one owns team and get offended when others don't.
FWIW..the Pacers have come much closer the last two years so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Post#317 » by whonka » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:20 am

Nuntius wrote:
whonka wrote:The Bulls offer to trade you Rose, Dunleavy, and Butler for Scola, Granger, Watson, Copeland.

Do you really say no?


If you add Jimmy Butler in the equation then the Pacers can add their own emergences in Paul George and Lance Stephenson.


Butler isn't even that huge of a difference. I like him but he's being seriously overrated this offseason. He's a good player but ultimately a limited, 15 PER player at the moment.

But fine. Take out Butler. The Bulls offer you Rose and Dunleavy for the 4 players Scola, Granger, Watson, Copeland. You really wouldn't do that?
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Post#318 » by Nuntius » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:34 am

whonka wrote:But fine. Take out Butler. The Bulls offer you Rose and Dunleavy for the 4 players Scola, Granger, Watson, Copeland. You really wouldn't do that?


I'd do that because Rose was an MVP level player prior to his injury.

No one disputed that Rose is the biggest "addition" that one of the two teams had this off-season. But when you take into account the internal improvements from both squads and the fact that the Pacers turned their major weakness into a relative strength then I think that you can understand why Pacers fans like their chances.

Of course, Bulls fans are free to like their chances as well :)
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Post#319 » by Nuntius » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:35 am

Trader_Joe wrote:Personally, I'd rather be under the radar with the bullseye on someone else's back. Never really understood the need to hype one owns team and get offended when others don't.


I agree with that line of thinking as well.
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Re: Jazzfan1971's Preseason Commentary 

Post#320 » by NZB2323 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:19 pm

Nuntius wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Personally, I'd rather be under the radar with the bullseye on someone else's back. Never really understood the need to hype one owns team and get offended when others don't.


I agree with that line of thinking as well.


There's a difference between getting offended and disagreeing with someone else about how good a team will be.

On the Bulls board and the Bears board there's always a debate about how good the team is. Isn't the point of Realgm for people to engage each other in discussions?

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