2017 Isaiah Thomas is better than any version of Iverson.

[Duke4life831]

Just when I thought I seen ever absurd topic imaginable on this board this pops up. Jesus thought you had to be at least 13 to join the forum because only someone that is young and naive would even suggest this. A.I is a hall of famer IT has zero chance at that.

Point to the season that AI had that was better than the year IT just had. I dont see anyone making the argument IT has the better career or anything like that. The argument is, did IT just have a better season than any AI had.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Just when I thought I seen ever absurd topic imaginable on this board this pops up. Jesus thought you had to be at least 13 to join the forum because only someone that is young and naive would even suggest this. A.I is a hall of famer IT has zero chance at that.

Point to the season that AI had that was better than the year IT just had. I dont see anyone making the argument IT has the better career or anything like that. The argument is, did IT just have a better season than any AI have.

They keep changing the argument to one that benefits them because they literally have nothing to support their opposition to the point of this thread.

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Allen Iverson (without even attempting any 3 pointers) would average 40 PPG in todays NBA

[OkcSinceSGA]

Allen Iverson (without even attempting any 3 pointers) would average 40 PPG in todays NBA

Another hypothetical situation and opinion.

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Allen Iverson (without even attempting any 3 pointers) would average 40 PPG in todays NBA

Another hypothetical situation and opinion.

Current NBA is an awful product. Based on college and high school players emulating the low IQ chucking - this sport will only decline further

[Syd-TK3]

Stop this

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[Duke4life831]

Allen Iverson (without even attempting any 3 pointers) would average 40 PPG in todays NBA

Based on what? Again the year AI won the MVP he ranked 29th in TS% (minimum 65 games played and 30 mins a game), not in the NBA but out of GUARDS. Here are the guards that ranked 29th and 30th out of guards for TS% this year that fit the same requirements: KCP and Marcus Smart. And the funny thing is KCP had the just the slight edge in TS% with 51.9% compared to AI's 51.8%.

Demar DeRozan put up 27 ppg this year while shooting 46% from the floor and rarely shooting 3s and he had a 55 TS% and people cant stand the way he plays and say hes an inefficient chucker. DeRozan this year averaged 1.3 points per shot, AI in 2001 averaged 1.2 points per shot.

Its not like AI was always top 5 in TS% for guards back when he played but all the guards TS% were down because of the hand checking rule. No he was ranked in the 20s and 30s for guards when it came to TS%. AI played at the perfect time where high volume ISO scorers were the thing.

[BigTrade92]

So after reading this entire thread, no one can come up with a valid reason Thomas ISN'T better than Iverson.

Just a lot "wow man...no, stop" from salty fans, yeah great rebuttal , or "nah Iverson's a HOFer/MVP", yeah no crap, Iverson's retired, while Thomas is beginning his career, or "Iverson took a crap team to the Finals..." not true, they were pretty good, or "the East was loaded", no it wasn't, Thomas has to go through LeBron, while Iverson never had a roadblock like that....and yada, yada, yada....

[lipstickonface]

Allen Iverson (without even attempting any 3 pointers) would average 40 PPG in todays NBA

Based on what? Again the year AI won the MVP he ranked 29th in TS% (minimum 65 games played and 30 mins a game), not in the NBA but out of GUARDS. Here are the guards that ranked 29th and 30th out of guards for TS% this year that fit the same requirements: KCP and Marcus Smart. And the funny thing is KCP had the just the slight edge in TS% with 51.9% compared to AI's 51.8%.

Demar DeRozan put up 27 ppg this year while shooting 46% from the floor and rarely shooting 3s and he had a 55 TS% and people cant stand the way he plays and say hes an inefficient chucker. DeRozan this year averaged 1.3 points per shot, AI in 2001 averaged 1.2 points per shot.

Its not like AI was always top 5 in TS% for guards back when he played but all the guards TS% were down because of the hand checking rule. No he was ranked in the 20s and 30s for guards when it came to TS%. AI played at the perfect time where high volume ISO scorers were the thing.

Based on no one playing defense in todays NBA.

IT would have been slammed to the ground on his 3rd drive attempt and wouldn't step foot in the paint again during Iverson's playing career

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Isaiah Thomas in 90's NBA

[Duke4life831]

Allen Iverson (without even attempting any 3 pointers) would average 40 PPG in todays NBA

Another hypothetical situation and opinion.

Current NBA is an awful product. Based on college and high school players emulating the low IQ chucking - this sport will only decline further

And youre arguing for AI? AI in his prime had 2 years where he shot under 40% from the field and had 3 years of a TS% below 50% and he made the all star team. But youre saying players now are low IQ chuckers? IT just had a season where he had a TS% of 62%. Kyrie Irving is considered a chucker and the dude flirted with a 50/40/90 season where he put up 25 points on 47/40/90 this past year and again hes considered a chucker in todays game. Guard play is so much more efficient in todays game, its not even debatable.

[NetsDynasty2012]

Allen Iverson (without even attempting any 3 pointers) would average 40 PPG in todays NBA

Based on what? Again the year AI won the MVP he ranked 29th in TS% (minimum 65 games played and 30 mins a game), not in the NBA but out of GUARDS. Here are the guards that ranked 29th and 30th out of guards for TS% this year that fit the same requirements: KCP and Marcus Smart. And the funny thing is KCP had the just the slight edge in TS% with 51.9% compared to AI's 51.8%.

Demar DeRozan put up 27 ppg this year while shooting 46% from the floor and rarely shooting 3s and he had a 55 TS% and people cant stand the way he plays and say hes an inefficient chucker. DeRozan this year averaged 1.3 points per shot, AI in 2001 averaged 1.2 points per shot.

Its not like AI was always top 5 in TS% for guards back when he played but all the guards TS% were down because of the hand checking rule. No he was ranked in the 20s and 30s for guards when it came to TS%. AI played at the perfect time where high volume ISO scorers were the thing.

Based on no one playing defense in todays NBA.

IT would have been slammed to the ground on his 3rd drive attempt and wouldn't step foot in the paint again during Iverson's playing career

Are you talking about the guy that just got a tooth knocked out, didn't even leave the game, then had hours of dental surgery, start the next game, land straight on the tooth that got knocked out again, and didn't even leave the game that time either?

[Duke4life831]

Allen Iverson (without even attempting any 3 pointers) would average 40 PPG in todays NBA

Based on what? Again the year AI won the MVP he ranked 29th in TS% (minimum 65 games played and 30 mins a game), not in the NBA but out of GUARDS. Here are the guards that ranked 29th and 30th out of guards for TS% this year that fit the same requirements: KCP and Marcus Smart. And the funny thing is KCP had the just the slight edge in TS% with 51.9% compared to AI's 51.8%.

Demar DeRozan put up 27 ppg this year while shooting 46% from the floor and rarely shooting 3s and he had a 55 TS% and people cant stand the way he plays and say hes an inefficient chucker. DeRozan this year averaged 1.3 points per shot, AI in 2001 averaged 1.2 points per shot.

Its not like AI was always top 5 in TS% for guards back when he played but all the guards TS% were down because of the hand checking rule. No he was ranked in the 20s and 30s for guards when it came to TS%. AI played at the perfect time where high volume ISO scorers were the thing.

Based on no one playing defense in todays NBA.

IT would have been slammed to the ground on his 3rd drive attempt and wouldn't step foot in the paint again during Iverson's playing career

I dont recall AI playing in the 80s with the Detroit Bad Boys. AI's prime years were in the 2000s, I dont think too many people are calling the 2000s really rough basketball. Hell the hand check rule came in when AI was like 28.

[BigTrade92]

Isaiah Thomas in 90's NBA

what?

BJ Armstrong averaged 9.8 points in his career, with his season high being 14.8 in 93-94. Not even close to what Thomas has accomplished in the last two years, let alone this season.

Let's just throw Earl Boykins in the conversation while we're at it....

Wow...the hyperbole and revisionist history in this thread is at an all-time high.

[Pelly24]

Yeah, no, I just don't by this. AI would be completely unguardable in this era. No good defensive centers, a ton of spacing and zero hand-checking and a faster-pace. I think the average TS% was 53 when he was at his peak, and he might've been right around there, or a bit above. I could easily see him getting 33 ppg on 56-58 TS% in this era. He's at least as quick as IT2, at least as good of a finisher and probably a better defender. People are really starting to underrate AI man. What Eastern Conference defense could even begin to contain this guy?

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

AI didnt need 5,000 picks per game. He went at the defense tooth and nail.
All that jumping into ppl and getting fouls
IT will never be greater than AI until he takes 4 Stiffs to a finals and gets a game.
CASE CLOSED.

I guess my first question would be, given the Sixers had two all-stars, why do you consider Dikembe Mutombo a bum.

And second, do you think the East 2001 was better than the East this year minus Cleveland?

[permaximum]

The amount of ignorance in this thread is beyond belief. Now I know why I don't really watch NBA games anymore.

Someone says Philly won Game 1 of the finals because Kobe was stopped defensively by other players. Kobe couldn't do anything offensively because he spent all of his energy trying to defend Iverson and he still couldn't. After that, he wasn't the primary defender of Iverson in the series.

Someone points out some stupid TS%, WS arguments without the context of USAGE%, team TS% and MPG which is comical.

If you want to play poor man's stat game Iverson's career averages are better than Isaiah's 2017. Iverson was doing 55/8 in a 90 point game in playoffs compared to Isaiah's best 53/4 in a 130 point game. Iverson's playoff career average is 30 ppg. 2nd best of all time.

There's only 0.03 TS% difference between Kobe and Iverson although Kobe's prime fell into no-handcheck era unlike AI and Iverson's stats are better than Kobe's. What I'm saying is you're comparing Isaiah to 2nd or 3rd best SG of all time. You guys are nuts.

[jfs1000d]

I am a major Celtics homer. If IT does this for another 6 years, sure. But I do get annoyed at people forgetting how great version was. Great player and tough as nails.


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[Duke4life831]

Yeah, no, I just don't by this. AI would be completely unguardable in this era. No good defensive centers, a ton of spacing and zero hand-checking and a faster-pace. I think the average TS% was 53 when he was at his peak, and he might've been right around there, or a bit above. I could easily see him getting 33 ppg on 56-58 TS% in this era. He's at least as quick as IT2, at least as good of a finisher and probably a better defender. People are really starting to underrate AI man. What Eastern Conference defense could even begin to contain this guy?

Again AI was ranked 29th in TS% out of guards in 2001 (the year he won MVP). A 58 TS% would put him about 8th or 9th for guards this year right around Kyire and CJ. Here were those two guys shooting numbers this year

CJ: 48/42/91
Kyrie: 47/40/90

So basically 2 guys that flirted with the 50/40/90 club were about 8th and 9th out of guards for TS% and had a 58TS%. Compare that to AI's season where he won MVP and his shooting numbers were 42/32/81. AI was always below average for guards when it came to TS% (guards that got legit minutes), I dont see why that would change in today's game, especially when all the guards that have high TS% tend to be really good 3pt shooters.

[Duke4life831]

I am a major Celtics homer. If IT does this for another 6 years, sure. But I do get annoyed at people forgetting how great version was. Great player and tough as nails.


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Again I dont think anyone is really arguing IT's career over AI's career. The point of this thread is, was the season IT just put up better than any season AI ever put up. Again not looking at a career, just looking at one season that is it.