Sixers and Celtics in serious talks about potential trade involving #1 pick

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You're delusional. If that's your asking price for Butler, he won't be traded. Good luck with the Bulls rebuild.

Unless Chicago just wants to blow it up(which is always possible, Chicago has clowns for a front office, they don't have any direction), that will be the price. In other words Butler isn't getting traded.

It's called re-tooling. Rebuilding is starting from scratch.

You're not getting four likely lottery picks for Jimmy Butler. He isn't even close to worth that. Anthony Davis wouldn't get that.

which is why he isn't getting traded. It's three picks btw.

Can't see Chicago accepting #3, and one of Nets, or LAL 2018 pick. Maybe they do? John Paxson noted that trading Butler would have to return great value.

If Boston wants Butler, start talking with the #1 overall pick.

[PierceFan4ever]

Until Woj, Lowe, or someone from the Chicago media reports that Butler is indeed in these trade talks, I'll believe it.

Throwing Butler's name in these draft trade rumors are easy.

I'll just say, If Butler is traded, it won't be cheap. #3, both Nets, & LA 2018 pick. (The Okafor interest is overblown, and he doesn't bring much value. I would trade Jerian Grant for him)

[LakerLegend]

Smh at the people acting like the rest of the league should just shut down because of the warriors and cavs. Butler Hayward + all of the young improving talent the celtics can absolutely challenge for the east within two years and make it extremely competitive next year

[LakerLegend]

Are you really taking a cavs team with a bunch of guys in their mid thirties in two years over this celtics team with the addition of butler and Hayward, the other growing talent and additional picks they will get?

[Kurosawa0]

Posted this on the sixers board. Fair?

BOS out: #1, BKN 2018 1st, Smart or Bradley
BOS in: Butler

CHI out: Butler
CHI in: #3 (Jackson), BKN 2018 1st, LAL 2018 1st, Okafor

PHI out: #3, LAL 2018 1st, Okafor
PHI in: #1 (Fultz), Smart or Bradley

I don't get it; the original talks had the Celtics getting the Sixers #3 pick as is, and you're saying they don't even get that in this scenario? If all the Celtics are getting is Butler anyway, why not just trade with the Bulls straight up?

The Celtics aren't going to trade the #1 pick just for just Jimmy Butler, let alone the other Brooklyn first rounder. I think what Boston is doing is moving back so they can get a top prospect and still keep a big trade asset. If they get another likely lottery pick from Philly along with the #3 pick, they basically get that #3 pick for free considering where they started before the draft lottery. Say they get the 2018 Lakers pick along with the #3 pick, that leaves Boston with three first rounders in 2018 (Brooklyn, Lakers and their own) to be able to pull off a deal for Butler or some other star.

It has to be that kind of win for this to make sense for Boston. If it were me I'd just take Fultz and not get cute.

[Duke4life831]

A lineup of IT, Butler, Hayward, Horford and whoever they fill in at the 5 is one dangerous lineup. Im pretty sure if they get Butler and Hayward, a good veteran Center is going to sign for very cheap to join that team.

[Kurosawa0]

Unless Chicago just wants to blow it up(which is always possible, Chicago has clowns for a front office, they don't have any direction), that will be the price. In other words Butler isn't getting traded.

It's called re-tooling. Rebuilding is starting from scratch.

You're not getting four likely lottery picks for Jimmy Butler. He isn't even close to worth that. Anthony Davis wouldn't get that.

which is why he isn't getting traded. It's three picks btw.

Can't see Chicago accepting #3, and one of Nets, or LAL 2018 pick. Maybe they do? John Paxson noted that trading Butler would have to return great value.

If Boston wants Butler, start talking with the #1 overall pick.

What you're probably looking at is something like 2018 Brooklyn, Lakers, Jae Crowder and Marcus Smart. That's more than Sacramento got for Cousins for sure. You're not getting the #1 pick for Jimmy Butler. He's not worth that much. Kevin Love got that because he was worth that to Cleveland to build around LeBron. Boston's better with Butler, but still aren't favorites in the East. Ainge is too smart to pay that much.

[They_Them_Hatin]

I would not trade Butler for 3 and 2 likely top 5 2018 picks. Two top 5 picks probably both jump in the top 3. Butler is not worth the potential of Jackson or Ball + 2 of Bamba/Ayton/Porter Jr./Doncic.

[JJ_PR]

Until Woj, Lowe, or someone from the Chicago media reports that Butler is indeed in these trade talks, I'll believe it.

Throwing Butler's name in these draft trade rumors are easy.

I'll just say, If Butler is traded, it won't be cheap. #3, both Nets, & LA 2018 pick. (The Okafor interest is overblown, and he doesn't bring much value. I would trade Jerian Grant for him)

Dude you're out of your mind. I think if you package the #1 along with Jaylen Brown, it's good enough to get Butler. Three top 5 picks for him? You're dellusional.

[Kurosawa0]

I would not trade Butler for 3 and 2 likely top 5 2018 picks. Two top 5 picks probably both jump in the top 3. Butler is not worth the potential of Jackson or Ball + 2 of Bamba/Ayton/Porter Jr./Doncic.

I actually agree. I don't think Butler is really a big enough difference maker to give up a ton if you're Boston. He doesn't make you better than Cleveland probably and he definitely doesn't make you better than the Warriors.

[Tai]

Posted this on the sixers board. Fair?

BOS out: #1, BKN 2018 1st, Smart or Bradley
BOS in: Butler

CHI out: Butler
CHI in: #3 (Jackson), BKN 2018 1st, LAL 2018 1st, Okafor

PHI out: #3, LAL 2018 1st, Okafor
PHI in: #1 (Fultz), Smart or Bradley

I don't get it; the original talks had the Celtics getting the Sixers #3 pick as is, and you're saying they don't even get that in this scenario? If all the Celtics are getting is Butler anyway, why not just trade with the Bulls straight up?

The Celtics aren't going to trade the #1 pick just for just Jimmy Butler, let alone the other Brooklyn first rounder. I think what Boston is doing is moving back so they can get a top prospect and still keep a big trade asset. If they get another likely lottery pick from Philly along with the #3 pick, they basically get that #3 pick for free considering where they started before the draft lottery. Say they get the 2018 Lakers pick along with the #3 pick, that leaves Boston with three first rounders in 2018 (Brooklyn, Lakers and their own) to be able to pull off a deal for Butler or some other star.

It has to be that kind of win for this to make sense for Boston. If it were me I'd just take Fultz and not get cute.

And that's more or less where I'm at. Like a sap, I probably would be OK (not great) about the above deal if it just gave the C's the #3 pick from the Sixers, but the reality is the Celtics still say no.

That said, people claim to not buy the speculation on Butler (even tho a verified reporter already said he could be what the Celtics are really after), but only that really explains why the Celtics would be willing to trade Fultz. Like you said, the Celtics may be looking to get Butler while still having a top prospect in this draft + another really valuable pick (2018 Lakers 1st or 2019 Kings 1st), even if that means it's not Fultz. Working out Fultz means the Celtics can sell as high as possible on him in trade talks. That sounds like a much better overall deal, and much better logic than the Celtics suddenly falling out of love with Fultz.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Until Woj, Lowe, or someone from the Chicago media reports that Butler is indeed in these trade talks, I'll believe it.

Throwing Butler's name in these draft trade rumors are easy.

I'll just say, If Butler is traded, it won't be cheap. #3, both Nets, & LA 2018 pick. (The Okafor interest is overblown, and he doesn't bring much value. I would trade Jerian Grant for him)

Dude you're out of your mind. I think if you package the #1 along with Jaylen Brown, it's good enough to get Butler. Three top 5 picks for him? You're dellusional.

Thing is, they are not offering the #1 overall pick + Brown.

[Tai]

And by the way, Ramona Shelburne on I assume Sportscenter LA is insisting everyone's she's talking to on the Celtics/Sixers trade is calling it a "done deal" pending the Fultz physical with Sixers.

Read on Twitter

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You're not getting four likely lottery picks for Jimmy Butler. He isn't even close to worth that. Anthony Davis wouldn't get that.

which is why he isn't getting traded. It's three picks btw.

Can't see Chicago accepting #3, and one of Nets, or LAL 2018 pick. Maybe they do? John Paxson noted that trading Butler would have to return great value.

If Boston wants Butler, start talking with the #1 overall pick.

What you're probably looking at is something like 2018 Brooklyn, Lakers, Jae Crowder and Marcus Smart. That's more than Sacramento got for Cousins for sure. You're not getting the #1 pick for Jimmy Butler. He's not worth that much. Kevin Love got that because he was worth that to Cleveland to build around LeBron. Boston's better with Butler, but still aren't favorites in the East. Ainge is too smart to pay that much.

Why would Chicago want picks a year from now?

Jimmy >>> Cousins.

[FlatearthZorro]

which is why he isn't getting traded. It's three picks btw.

Can't see Chicago accepting #3, and one of Nets, or LAL 2018 pick. Maybe they do? John Paxson noted that trading Butler would have to return great value.

If Boston wants Butler, start talking with the #1 overall pick.

What you're probably looking at is something like 2018 Brooklyn, Lakers, Jae Crowder and Marcus Smart. That's more than Sacramento got for Cousins for sure. You're not getting the #1 pick for Jimmy Butler. He's not worth that much. Kevin Love got that because he was worth that to Cleveland to build around LeBron. Boston's better with Butler, but still aren't favorites in the East. Ainge is too smart to pay that much.

Why would Chicago want picks a year from now?

Jimmy >>> Cousins.

No offense but there aren't bigger homers than the Bull's fans. According to you Butler is the 2nd coming of Jordan. I expect the trade to be Crowder/Bradley/PHI pick/Okafor/our pick next year. From the rumors that came out we didn't do the trade last year, cause you wanted both Crowder and Bradley and didn't wanna rebuild. We will see tho if a trade goes down. CHI's FO is more intersted in keeping their jobs than building a winning franchise, so I wouldn't be too worried about Butler being traded if I were you guys.

[HoopsterJones]

If the Celtics are serious about landing Griffin, then they might be targeting Butler to entice him to sign.

Trade #1 to Philly for #3 and Lakers/Kings pick and Okafor.

Trade #3, BKN 2018, Okafor, Crowder, Zeller (clear cap space to offset Butler's contract to preserve a max contract space) to CHI

Horford
Griffin
Butler
Bradley
IT

Smart, Brown, Rozier, Zizic, Yabusele off the bench

Pocket the Lakers/Kings pick for a future draft.

That would be a heck of a team.

[vxmike]

I would not trade Butler for 3 and 2 likely top 5 2018 picks. Two top 5 picks probably both jump in the top 3. Butler is not worth the potential of Jackson or Ball + 2 of Bamba/Ayton/Porter Jr./Doncic.

I actually agree. I don't think Butler is really a big enough difference maker to give up a ton if you're Boston. He doesn't make you better than Cleveland probably and he definitely doesn't make you better than the Warriors.

Jimmy is one of only two players (Kawhi) in the league who can really challenge Lebron on D. Going through the Cavs and Lebron will be mandatory for probably five more years. Why not do it?

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What you're probably looking at is something like 2018 Brooklyn, Lakers, Jae Crowder and Marcus Smart. That's more than Sacramento got for Cousins for sure. You're not getting the #1 pick for Jimmy Butler. He's not worth that much. Kevin Love got that because he was worth that to Cleveland to build around LeBron. Boston's better with Butler, but still aren't favorites in the East. Ainge is too smart to pay that much.

Why would Chicago want picks a year from now?

Jimmy >>> Cousins.

No offense but there aren't bigger homers than the Bull's fans. According to you Butler is the 2nd coming of Jordan. I expect the trade to be Crowder/Bradley/PHI pick/Okafor/our pick next year. From the rumors that came out we didn't do the trade last year, cause you wanted both Crowder and Bradley and didn't wanna rebuild. We will see tho if a trade goes down. CHI's FO is more intersted in keeping their jobs than building a winning franchise, so I wouldn't be too worried about Butler being traded if I were you guys.

Coming from a Boston fan

I'm speaking for the Bulls, who from what I know are not looking to trade Butler.

If a team doesn't plan to move a player, what would it take for another team to trade for that "player"? I'll tell you, a ransom.

[pseudonym28]

Bulls Get: 2018 Lakers pick, 2018 Nets pick, Crowder and Okafor

Boston Gets: Butler And #3 overall

Philly Gets: 1st overall and 2nd Round swaps

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[Domejandro]

Bulls Get: #3, 2018 Nets pick, Crowder and Okafor

Boston Gets: Butler 2018 Philly Pick

Philly Gets: Fultz and 2nd Round swaps

For people that are confused, the offer would (presumably) be....

BOS: Jimmy Butler and #3
OUT: #1 and Brooklyn's 2018 First Round Draft Pick

CHI: Jahlil Okafor, Brooklyn's 2018 First Round Draft Pick, and Los Angeles' 2018 First Round Draft Pick*
OUT: Jimmy Butler

PHI: #1
OUT: Jahlil Okafor, #3, and Los Angeles' 2018 First Round Draft Pick*

*Detail not fully clear.
(Side-note is that you never know if Philadelphia tosses in another minor asset).

Chicago tanks hard for a year and has three top six picks (maybe), Boston gets Jimmy Butler and #3 by using the Brooklyn picks (very wise move, in my opinion), and Philadelphia gets the first overall pick.