The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[Catchall]

There's plenty of talk about Mitchell, but this needs to be posted.

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[Tabasco]

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option resulting in him having a reduced impact.

You’re saying Gobert is the #1 option?

On the Jazz, absolutely! He’s the clear best player on your team and the person you want with the ball in their hands to score

Lol you can't be serious. He is literally the LAST person I'd want with the ball if the Jazz needed to score.

[WaveTheWheat80]

You’re saying Gobert is the #1 option?

On the Jazz, absolutely! He’s the clear best player on your team and the person you want with the ball in their hands to score

Lol you can't be serious. He is literally the LAST person I'd want with the ball if the Jazz needed to score.

No kidding. That's the knock on Gobert. All-world defensive talent. Limited offensive arsenal.

[michaelm]

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option resulting in him having a reduced impact.

You’re saying Gobert is the #1 option?

I don't know why but he seems like he has some sort of axe to grind with Mitchell. I don't know if Mitchell killed his favorite pet or something, but there is nothing but trash coming out of nurseryc on Mitchell.

In what world is Gobert no. 1 option on the Jazz when he's sporting 17-18% USG, and Mitchell is at close to 30? The main problem for Mitchell when Gobert returns will not be the number of shot he gets. It will be the quality of shots because of the Rubio-Favors-Gobert Bermuda trianlge(as we call it on the Jazz board). The presence of all of those on the floor will mean Mitchell will have to work through much more clogged paints and will get much more heavily contested shots. Today's game was prime example of that.

Mitchell is apparently a threat to Simmons being ROTY. No need to look any deeper and involve any rational assessment.

[Cappy_Smurf]

I’m watching the game and have both Gobert and Mitchell on my fantasy team. Mitchell is having an off game and Gobert is doing dirty work. Don’t see much impact on Mitchell going forward

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option and focal point. This results in Mitchell having a reduced impact and less shots as you want the ball in Goberts hands.

Lmao at anybody thinking anyone would ever want the ball in Rudy's hands over Mitchell.

I'm the biggest Rudy homer on the planet, and that is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board. Congrats.

[LALifer49]

Lets get some Dillon Brooks talk in here, loved this guy at Oregon and he's been killing it lately.

[nurseryc]

I’m watching the game and have both Gobert and Mitchell on my fantasy team. Mitchell is having an off game and Gobert is doing dirty work. Don’t see much impact on Mitchell going forward

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option and focal point. This results in Mitchell having a reduced impact and less shots as you want the ball in Goberts hands.

Lmao at anybody thinking anyone would ever want the ball in Rudy's hands over Mitchell.

I'm the biggest Rudy homer on the planet, and that is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board. Congrats.

No, the dumbest thing I’ve ever read is posters proclaiming Mitchell above Simmons because he scores more points. Posters discounting everything Simmons does on the court and only focusing on how many points Mitchell scores, regardless of how many shots he takes and the poor percentage he shoots and the fact it’s not leading to wins for the Jazz. That’s what’s dumb

[WaveTheWheat80]

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option and focal point. This results in Mitchell having a reduced impact and less shots as you want the ball in Goberts hands.

Lmao at anybody thinking anyone would ever want the ball in Rudy's hands over Mitchell.

I'm the biggest Rudy homer on the planet, and that is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board. Congrats.

No, the dumbest thing I’ve ever read is posters proclaiming Mitchell above Simmons because he scores more points. Posters discounting everything Simmons does on the court and only focusing on how many points Mitchell scores, regardless of how many shots he takes and the poor percentage he shoots and the fact it’s not leading to wins for the Jazz. That’s what’s dumb

AGENDA ACTIVATED, FAM.

[WaveTheWheat80]

Let's start with they have identical PER, Mitchell has TS% of .552 vs .528. Most of the other stats favor Simmons, but it's not that far off, and you have to account the **** monster in the room in Embiid. Most importantly, after his slow start with an abyssmal November, Mitchell has trended up every month, while Simmons has slightly regressed. Mitchell will probably end up averaging 21ppg on TS% 55% with 4 assists and 4 rebounds. 16/8/8 on lower efficency isnt as good. Simmons is better defensively, but again, he has **** EMBIID behind him. Lets see how the defensive trends go with Gobert back.

[nurseryc]

Lmao at anybody thinking anyone would ever want the ball in Rudy's hands over Mitchell.

I'm the biggest Rudy homer on the planet, and that is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board. Congrats.

No, the dumbest thing I’ve ever read is posters proclaiming Mitchell above Simmons because he scores more points. Posters discounting everything Simmons does on the court and only focusing on how many points Mitchell scores, regardless of how many shots he takes and the poor percentage he shoots and the fact it’s not leading to wins for the Jazz. That’s what’s dumb

AGENDA ACTIVATED, FAM.

Confirmation your post was poorly constructed and lacking any insight or value, confirmation activated.

[WaveTheWheat80]

No, the dumbest thing I’ve ever read is posters proclaiming Mitchell above Simmons because he scores more points. Posters discounting everything Simmons does on the court and only focusing on how many points Mitchell scores, regardless of how many shots he takes and the poor percentage he shoots and the fact it’s not leading to wins for the Jazz. That’s what’s dumb

AGENDA ACTIVATED, FAM.

Confirmation your post was poorly constructed and lacking any insight or value, confirmation activated.

The fact that you have 2200 posts and less than 500 upvotes tells me all i need to know about you.

[nurseryc]

AGENDA ACTIVATED, FAM.

Confirmation your post was poorly constructed and lacking any insight or value, confirmation activated.

The fact that you have 2200 posts and less than 500 upvotes tells me all i need to know about you.

You care way to much about what people think of you. Be original and be yourself, don’t focus so much on others and how they think of you or how many upvotes they give you. Upvotes.... Is this kid for real?

[WaveTheWheat80]

Confirmation your post was poorly constructed and lacking any insight or value, confirmation activated.

The fact that you have 2200 posts and less than 500 upvotes tells me all i need to know about you.

You care way to much about what people think of you. Be original and be yourself, don’t focus so much on others and how they think of you or how many upvotes they give you. Upvotes.... Is this kid for real?

Heh. Go to bed. Fishing for upvotes is one thing, but having no insight or quality of posts is another.

[michaelm]

Confirmation your post was poorly constructed and lacking any insight or value, confirmation activated.

The fact that you have 2200 posts and less than 500 upvotes tells me all i need to know about you.

You care way to much about what people think of you. Be original and be yourself, don’t focus so much on others and how they think of you or how many upvotes they give you. Upvotes.... Is this kid for real?

I am an Australian NBA fan and big time fan of Simmons who hopes for the best for him, and find your posts intolerably biased, or homerish as the Americans say.

It is possible for both Mitchell and Simmons to be good simultaneously, and I don't think it matters much in the long term whether either is ROTY anyway.

[Cappy_Smurf]

The fact that you have 2200 posts and less than 500 upvotes tells me all i need to know about you.

You care way to much about what people think of you. Be original and be yourself, don’t focus so much on others and how they think of you or how many upvotes they give you. Upvotes.... Is this kid for real?

I am an Australian NBA fan and big time fan of Simmons who hopes for the best for him, and find your posts intolerably biased, or homerish as the Americans say.

It is possible for both Mitchell and Simmons to be good simultaneously, and I don't think it matters much in the long term whether either is ROTY anyway.

Totally agree. I am a Mitchell homer, but if Simmons wins ROTY I will have no problem with it, as they are both fantastic players. I don't even care about the fact Simmons was drafted a year sooner, as players come into the league at different ages anyway. Both these guys are having ROTY type seasons and that's what everyone will remember. There has been a few years where the rookie crop was terrible, and somebody won who wasn't really that good. I'd rather have my guy lose ROTY and end up still being a star player than to win it and go on to have a mediocre career.

[mcmurphy]

In terms of impact Teodosic is off the charts, but I don't consider Milos a rookie.

NetRtg (100 poss) of teammates with Teodosic ON/OFF court
Griffin +9.5/-0.9 (+10.4)
DJ +12.9/-4.7 (+17.6)
Rivers +19.3/-5.6 (+24.9)
LouW +14.3/-0.5 (+14.8)
CJMiles +19.1/-11.4 (+30.5)


NetRtg (100 poss) of teammates with Simmons ON/OFF court:
Embiid +10.4/+8.0 (+2.4)
Saric +1.8/-6.5 (+8.3)
Covington +5.9/+9.6 (-3.7)
JJ +4.3/+1.8 (+2.5)
TJMc -6.2/+1.8 (-8.0)

NetRtg (100 poss) of teammates with Mitchell ON/OFF court:
Ingles -2.7/-8.1 (+5.4)
Rubio -5.3/-5.9 (+0.6)
Favors -2.8/-4.6 (+1.8)
Gobert -3.3/-4.6 (+1.3)

NetRtg (100 poss) of teammates with Tatum ON/OFF court:
Horford +7.9/+15.4 (-7.5)
Kyrie +8.5/+8.8 (-0.3)
JBrown +9.1/+10.9 (-1.8)
Smart +4.6/+9.1 (-4.5)

Mitchell is the only player between the trio Simmons/Tatum/Mitchell that his presence always affects the performance of his teammates... a plus for him

[dukes_wild]

OG is actually trash tier now.

[BetterCallSaul]

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option and focal point. This results in Mitchell having a reduced impact and less shots as you want the ball in Goberts hands.

Lmao at anybody thinking anyone would ever want the ball in Rudy's hands over Mitchell.

I'm the biggest Rudy homer on the planet, and that is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board. Congrats.

No, the dumbest thing I’ve ever read is posters proclaiming Mitchell above Simmons because he scores more points. Posters discounting everything Simmons does on the court and only focusing on how many points Mitchell scores, regardless of how many shots he takes and the poor percentage he shoots and the fact it’s not leading to wins for the Jazz. That’s what’s dumb

Umm, what's wrong with 19ppg on 55%TS for a rookie scoring guard? He's got volume of points while being around league average ts% (league average including guys who just receive open dunks etc).
Lol, I just checked and Ben Simmons averages his 16.6ppg on 52.8%ts. I'm a fan of both, personally I like Mitchell's demeanor better but as players they are both very good and very promising. What's with your animosity.

ON the topic of wins, you realize that the Jazz haven't had Gobert most of the year and are missing a lot of floor spacing whereas Simmons has had Embiid alongside him most of the year right? There's such a thing as context, the thing you're preaching about when it comes to Mitchell's point scoring, you might want to actually take it into account for Simmons as well.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Lmao at anybody thinking anyone would ever want the ball in Rudy's hands over Mitchell.

I'm the biggest Rudy homer on the planet, and that is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board. Congrats.

No, the dumbest thing I’ve ever read is posters proclaiming Mitchell above Simmons because he scores more points. Posters discounting everything Simmons does on the court and only focusing on how many points Mitchell scores, regardless of how many shots he takes and the poor percentage he shoots and the fact it’s not leading to wins for the Jazz. That’s what’s dumb

Umm, what's wrong with 19ppg on 55%TS for a rookie scoring guard? He's got volume of points while being around league average ts% (league average including guys who just receive open dunks etc).

If you remove the first 5 games of the season, his TS% jumps up to 57.

[BetterCallSaul]

No, the dumbest thing I’ve ever read is posters proclaiming Mitchell above Simmons because he scores more points. Posters discounting everything Simmons does on the court and only focusing on how many points Mitchell scores, regardless of how many shots he takes and the poor percentage he shoots and the fact it’s not leading to wins for the Jazz. That’s what’s dumb

Umm, what's wrong with 19ppg on 55%TS for a rookie scoring guard? He's got volume of points while being around league average ts% (league average including guys who just receive open dunks etc).

If you remove the first 5 games of the season, his TS% jumps up to 57.

Haha, I had a feeling that was the case but honestly I really just don't think we need to pile on that much evidence. Although I did edit my post to nudge things along as well.