Better player next season: Simmons or Doncic?

[Colbinii]

What playoff deficiencies? A Simmons-led offense took the NBA Champs to a game 7 buzzer beater. Steve Nash never averaged 20ppg and won 2 MVPs.

Simmons led the offense yet his 14.9% Usage ranked 5th among starters in the Milwaukee series.

His 23.1% Ast % ranked second to...Jimmy Butler at 27.5%.

Simmons took care of the ball with a whopping 20.2% TOV %, unlike Jimmy who turned it over often with a staggering 9.3%.

On the bright side Simmons was efficient with his 60 shot attempts!

I assume you mean the Raps series, where he was given primary Kawhi responsibilities. He wasn’t a negative in that series at all, the way he was against Boston last year.

You said "A Simmons-led" offense. That wasnt the case because Simmoms primary focal point in the series was defense and finding mismatches offensively.

He didnt lead the offense, at all.

[gh123]

11+8 leading the offense lol

[abark]

When he does it, then you can talk. But even then, the priority is winning.

Can't win when your best player is always-injured Latvian Bargnani and Hardaway junior.

You have already started with tearing down his teammates, just like you did when you called DeAndre Jordan(former all star) and Harrison Branes(champion) bums. I don't like when you have to use that in your argument.

It's not tearing them down when it's accurate. Deandre Jordan was not good last year. And if (champion) is enough to make you a good player, you forgot JJ Barea and Dirk. Plus Dirk was also a (former allstar), he must have been amazing last year.

His team sucked, face it.

[gh123]

Can't win when your best player is always-injured Latvian Bargnani and Hardaway junior.

You have already started with tearing down his teammates, just like you did when you called DeAndre Jordan(former all star) and Harrison Branes(champion) bums. I don't like when you have to use that in your argument.

It's not tearing them down when it's accurate. Deandre Jordan was not good last year. And if (champion) is enough to make you a good player, you forgot JJ Barea and Dirk. Plus Dirk was also a (former allstar), he must have been amazing last year.

His team sucked, face it.

Don't talk to them, those people don't watch basketball, they simply come here to say whatever is on their mind. And I personally like the "winning" part, like Ben wouldn't be on a 25- 57 team if it wasn't for Embiid.

[gh123]

Last season Doncic single-handedly won 20 games, Ben is worth 1 win

[LipSkinMatter]

What playoff deficiencies? A Simmons-led offense took the NBA Champs to a game 7 buzzer beater. Steve Nash never averaged 20ppg and won 2 MVPs.

Simmons led? Simmons was the third option... Look back to last year’s Boston series, Ben was a clog in their offence, a Ben Simmons led offence just has too many limitations. To Steve Nash I say good for him.

He had a bad series against Boston as a rookie, it happens. At least he was in the playoffs. He led the team to 17 straight wins to help them get there when Joel fractured his orbital.

Not to mention, Luka would have been 3rd/4th scoring option on the Sixers this year too.

[Pumpkin17]

It's not that difficult, Simmons has a GIGANTIC hole in its game, which Doncic hasn't. To his credit, he is smart enough to not try shooting cause his TS% would drop and everyone would start criticizing him a lot more. He is never going to be a reliable shooter, even if by some miracle he will become able to shoot 30% from 3, defenses in playoffs will still leave him wide open. He does plenty of other things, is an all-star and deservedly so, but he's not going to ever be the main man on a title-contending team. He could be a Draymond Green type, 2nd/3rd best player on a great team, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Doncic is also far stronger mentally as demonstrated by late-game stats of the two. They simply have a very far ceiling as a type of player, which doesn't mean Doncic is going to win titles and Simmons not, it is just that if they win a title they would do that in a different role for their team.

People fell for the "fresh prince" idiocy and expect Simmons to become a player of LBJ caliber. He simply won't. But he could become an HoF player, so if I was a Sixers' fan I would still be VERY happy.

[Tomjas]

Looking forward to the day when Doncic is better than a tank commander

There’s Simmons and then there’s the Mavs

Ridiculous thread

[leolozon]

Looking forward to the day when Doncic is better than a tank commander

There’s Simmons and then there’s the Mavs

Ridiculous thread

Looking forward to the day when Doncic has a top 10 player on his team.

Sixers where 8-10 last year without Embiid. The Mavs were close to .500 last year before they traded 4 starters away, in the tougher conference.

You still can't separate the concept of team from the concept of individual...

I think SImmons was slightly better last year than Doncic, but your reasonning is ridiculous. Even more, considering this is about next year and we should expect improvment from Doncic (something Simmons didn't really have in his 2nd season, so maybe it won't happen for Doncic also). If Doncic improves and Simmons still doesn't, Doncic will be ahead.

[ballup]

What playoff deficiencies? A Simmons-led offense took the NBA Champs to a game 7 buzzer beater. Steve Nash never averaged 20ppg and won 2 MVPs.

Simmons led? Simmons was the third option... Look back to last year’s Boston series, Ben was a clog in their offence, a Ben Simmons led offence just has too many limitations. To Steve Nash I say good for him.

He had a bad series against Boston as a rookie, it happens. At least he was in the playoffs. He led the team to 17 straight wins to help them get there when Joel fractured his orbital.

Not to mention, Luka would have been 3rd/4th scoring option on the Sixers this year too.

That 17 straight wins stat is straight up a lie. It was only 10 straight wins and they faced a bunch of tanking teams at the end of the season. Only 2 games were against good teams

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[dtbrehm]

I'd take Luka, but even with my bias on this I still think it's close. I'm surprised the poll is this lopsided.

[JAYZGOAT]

Luka averaged 5 more points with a jumpshot as the #1 option on the team Lmao. This board is ridicolus.

[JAYZGOAT]

Simmons led? Simmons was the third option... Look back to last year’s Boston series, Ben was a clog in their offence, a Ben Simmons led offence just has too many limitations. To Steve Nash I say good for him.

He had a bad series against Boston as a rookie, it happens. At least he was in the playoffs. He led the team to 17 straight wins to help them get there when Joel fractured his orbital.

Not to mention, Luka would have been 3rd/4th scoring option on the Sixers this year too.

That 17 straight wins stat is straight up a lie. It was only 10 straight wins and they faced a bunch of tanking teams at the end of the season. Only 2 games were against good teams

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Oh shut up. This is the NBA. It's impressive regardless. You'd be creaming your pants if Luka could lead his team to 10 straight wins. Luka should lead his team to the playoffs first. There's no excuse why they shouldn't be in the playoffs this year

[E-Balla]

I'd take Luka, but even with my bias on this I still think it's close. I'm surprised the poll is this lopsided.

Exactly, I'm taking Ben but I feel this is the hype cycle. If this question was asked after both of their rookie regular seasons the poll would be close to 50/50. But Ben made the playoffs and looked bad, then he only made minimal improvements last year since playing next to Jimmy threw him off.

[JAYZGOAT]

I'd take Luka, but even with my bias on this I still think it's close. I'm surprised the poll is this lopsided.

Exactly, I'm taking Ben but I feel this is the hype cycle. If this question was asked after both of their rookie regular seasons the poll would be close to 50/50. But Ben made the playoffs and looked bad, then he only made minimal improvements last year since playing next to Jimmy threw him off.

We haven't seen what Luka looks like it in the playoffs. He's plays on a bad team. Would be interesting to see how teams game plan for him in the Playoffs. I think after he makes the playoffs we can compare him to Ben, since we're bringing Ben's playoff numbers in it. Until then, compare Luka to other non winning young players like fox or trae

[ballup]

He had a bad series against Boston as a rookie, it happens. At least he was in the playoffs. He led the team to 17 straight wins to help them get there when Joel fractured his orbital.

Not to mention, Luka would have been 3rd/4th scoring option on the Sixers this year too.

That 17 straight wins stat is straight up a lie. It was only 10 straight wins and they faced a bunch of tanking teams at the end of the season. Only 2 games were against good teams

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Oh shut up. This is the NBA. It's impressive regardless. You'd be creaming your pants if Luka could lead his team to 10 straight wins. Luka should lead his team to the playoffs first. There's no excuse why they shouldn't be in the playoffs this year

It really isn't that impressive and fact checking is important. I'm fine with people throwing out opinions like "Luka has a great shooting touch" or "Simmons has a great BBIQ". It's another thing to make a ridiculous lie for the sake of an argument.

You're expecting the Mavericks to go to the playoffs? We don't even know if Porzingis is back to normal or will even play the full season. The Mavs have a bunch of nice role players, and I like most of them, but they're not great ones and there's not much raw talent outside of their big 2. There's 10 other playoff contending teams in the west so I'm not sure where this playoff expectancy is coming from

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[GeorgeMarcus]

Simmons led? Simmons was the third option... Look back to last year’s Boston series, Ben was a clog in their offence, a Ben Simmons led offence just has too many limitations. To Steve Nash I say good for him.

He had a bad series against Boston as a rookie, it happens. At least he was in the playoffs. He led the team to 17 straight wins to help them get there when Joel fractured his orbital.

Not to mention, Luka would have been 3rd/4th scoring option on the Sixers this year too.

That 17 straight wins stat is straight up a lie. It was only 10 straight wins and they faced a bunch of tanking teams at the end of the season. Only 2 games were against good teams

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Straight up lie? They won 17 games in a row and Embiid was out for most of them. Not at all a lie and weird for you to frame it that way.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Simmons led? Simmons was the third option... Look back to last year’s Boston series, Ben was a clog in their offence, a Ben Simmons led offence just has too many limitations. To Steve Nash I say good for him.

He had a bad series against Boston as a rookie, it happens. At least he was in the playoffs. He led the team to 17 straight wins to help them get there when Joel fractured his orbital.

Not to mention, Luka would have been 3rd/4th scoring option on the Sixers this year too.

You disagree with that? lol

He's not a better option than Embiid or Butler. Tobias is debatable. So yeah, 3rd or 4th...

[JAYZGOAT]

That 17 straight wins stat is straight up a lie. It was only 10 straight wins and they faced a bunch of tanking teams at the end of the season. Only 2 games were against good teams

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Oh shut up. This is the NBA. It's impressive regardless. You'd be creaming your pants if Luka could lead his team to 10 straight wins. Luka should lead his team to the playoffs first. There's no excuse why they shouldn't be in the playoffs this year

It really isn't that impressive and fact checking is important. I'm fine with people throwing out opinions like "Luka has a great shooting touch" or "Simmons has a great BBIQ". It's another thing to make a ridiculous lie for the sake of an argument.

You're expecting the Mavericks to go to the playoffs? We don't even know if Porzingis is back to normal or will even play the full season. The Mavs have a bunch of nice role players, and I like most of them, but they're not great ones and there's not much raw talent outside of their big 2. There's 10 other playoff contending teams in the west so I'm not sure where this playoff expectancy is coming from

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17 straight wins as the clear focal point on offense is impressive no matter how you slice it. I don't think there was one shot creator on the team during the streak. Apologies for telling you to shut up though, that was out of line.


And yes, if the Mavs aren't at least fighting for a playoff spot in the west u will be very disappointed. Luka is being touted as a superstar, or atleast trending to an elite player. Superstars and elite players get their teams to the playoffs. Until he does, these Ben Simmons comparisons seem a bit premature

[tv24lakers]

Truly, is this one worth arguing? How about we return to this when Simmons develops a consistent shot?