Who's the G.O.A.T. ?

[scrabbarista]

Michael Jordan was so great that when kids watch his posterizations today, they sink down into their chairs, cover their faces, and say, "I don't know if I should watch this... I feel bad for their families..."

True story.

[Lukeem]

Watch on YouTube

You’re not allowed to share stuff like this because it conflicts with the narrative that it’s between lebron and Jordan and even both of them know they cannot compare to wilt, since wilt still showed he could have played in 80s and maybe even 90s

And logical fans know he just played a bunch of “short scrub white guys” like


Bill Russell
Walter dukes
Red Kerr
Wayne embry
Ray Felix
Clyde lovelllete
Bob petit
Zelmo Beaty
Bob boozer
Jerry lucas
Walt Bellamy
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Elvin Hayes
Elmore smith
Kareem Abdul jabbar
Dave Cowens
Bob Lanier
Spencer Haywood
...

[lazybatman]

I voted Lebron. I didn't get to watch most of Wilt or Russell play, so have eliminated them from this.

Arguments over Mike -
- Did not need the league to gift him the 'Illegal Defense' Rule to boost his play and the league's TV ratings - http://www.celticshub.com/2017/09/20/celticshub-whiteboard-illegal-defense-shapes-nba/
- Lebron was guarded by better athletic elite defensive players - Kobe, Iggy, Kawhi, Giannis, KD, PG13
- Lebron wasn't an absolute selfish stat padder loser in his formative and later years.
- Never coached by a top 50 coach, let alone a top 3 coach(Spo might end up in that list, but was far from it in his coaching infancy when Lebron came to the Heat)
- Nobody ever had a top 25 all time player as a number 2.

Read on Twitter

- Did not get to play in a weak expansion league
- Lebron had his public meltdown in 2011 which has no explanations. But so did Mike multiple times, just forgotten rather easily -
1989 ECF after being 2-1 up -
G4 -
23 pts 4 asts - 33%fg vs Isaiah - 27-10-6 @45%
G5 -
18 pts on 8 attempted shots 4 TOs
G6 -
32pts 13 asts @ 50%fg; 8 TOs; 5/11 FT

1996 Finals(Sonics) -
Last 3 games - 23.7 ppg @ 36% (Better numbers than that have seen KD and Kawhi lose 3-1 leads rather than winning FMVP and NBA Titles

1998 Finals -
42.7% fg 2.3 asts 1.7 TOV on 41.2% usg(For context, James Harden's career usage% is 30.7% and he averages 6.3 asts)

- Believe it or not, Lebron played in a stronger Eastern Conference than Mike. Number of teams other than Bulls that had more than one HOFer during their 6 Championship runs - ZERO
- Lebron faced better teams in the finals. If Iggy makes HOF, Lebron played more HOFers in 2017-18 than Mike's all 6 finals.

Read on Twitter

Mike never went against a team with more than 2 HOFers in the Finals.
- Mike had a stronger team, coach and Front Office than any top 10 player EVER during the 2nd threepeat
- Lebron has better clutch shooting percentages and cumulative numbers on 2s and 3s, not even counting the countless assists he's made during those situations.
- Mike never guarded and shut down a great athletic player like MVP Rose. Scottie guarded Magic, Bird and most guard scorers on the opposing teams. Reggie Miller consistently burnt Mike whenever he saw him in any meaningful game.
- Longer better sustained peak. Never quit the game because of mental exhaustion.
- Lebron dragged 2007 and 2018 Cavs to the finals. Won 2 games against GSW 2015 with Dellavedova, Mozgov and JR. Those three might be bigger achievements than Mike's 2nd Championship run, if you think about it.
- Coming back from a 3-1 deficit against a 73 win team, which was agreeably playoff hobbled, but not injured like 1991 Lakers(Worthy and Scott). And those three games took a combined stat line of 36.3p - 11.7r - 9.7a - 3st - 3bl + Kyrie's heroics. If that's not clutch, what is?

[scrabbarista]

^ Maybe some of that is true, but how many free throws did LeBron James hit with his eyes closed?






I rest my case.

[twyzted]

I voted Lebron. I didn't get to watch most of Wilt or Russell play, so have eliminated them from this.

Arguments over Mike -
- Did not need the league to gift him the 'Illegal Defense' Rule to boost his play and the league's TV ratings - http://www.celticshub.com/2017/09/20/celticshub-whiteboard-illegal-defense-shapes-nba/
- Lebron was guarded by better athletic elite defensive players - Kobe, Iggy, Kawhi, Giannis, KD, PG13
- Lebron wasn't an absolute selfish stat padder loser in his formative and later years.
- Never coached by a top 50 coach, let alone a top 3 coach(Spo might end up in that list, but was far from it in his coaching infancy when Lebron came to the Heat)
- Nobody ever had a top 25 all time player as a number 2.

Read on Twitter

- Did not get to play in a weak expansion league
- Lebron had his public meltdown in 2011 which has no explanations. But so did Mike multiple times, just forgotten rather easily -
1989 ECF after being 2-1 up -
G4 -
23 pts 4 asts - 33%fg vs Isaiah - 27-10-6 @45%
G5 -
18 pts on 8 attempted shots 4 TOs
G6 -
32pts 13 asts @ 50%fg; 8 TOs; 5/11 FT

1996 Finals(Sonics) -
Last 3 games - 23.7 ppg @ 36% (Better numbers than that have seen KD and Kawhi lose 3-1 leads rather than winning FMVP and NBA Titles

1998 Finals -
42.7% fg 2.3 asts 1.7 TOV on 41.2% usg(For context, James Harden's career usage% is 30.7% and he averages 6.3 asts)

- Believe it or not, Lebron played in a stronger Eastern Conference than Mike. Number of teams other than Bulls that had more than one HOFer during their 6 Championship runs - ZERO
- Lebron faced better teams in the finals. If Iggy makes HOF, Lebron played more HOFers in 2017-18 than Mike's all 6 finals.

Read on Twitter

Mike never went against a team with more than 2 HOFers in the Finals.
- Mike had a stronger team, coach and Front Office than any top 10 player EVER during the 2nd threepeat
- Lebron has better clutch shooting percentages and cumulative numbers on 2s and 3s, not even counting the countless assists he's made during those situations.
- Mike never guarded and shut down a great athletic player like MVP Rose. Scottie guarded Magic, Bird and most guard scorers on the opposing teams. Reggie Miller consistently burnt Mike whenever he saw him in any meaningful game.
- Longer better sustained peak. Never quit the game because of mental exhaustion.
- Lebron dragged 2007 and 2018 Cavs to the finals. Won 2 games against GSW 2015 with Dellavedova, Mozgov and JR. Those three might be bigger achievements than Mike's 2nd Championship run, if you think about it.
- Coming back from a 3-1 deficit against a 73 win team, which was agreeably playoff hobbled, but not injured like 1991 Lakers(Worthy and Scott). And those three games took a combined stat line of 36.3p - 11.7r - 9.7a - 3st - 3bl + Kyrie's heroics. If that's not clutch, what is?

Illegal defence was put in place 77/78.

I guess that Magic never played with Kareem.
Or Shaq and Kobe never played for the lakers.



CHI 1992 7.97/5.56/5.51/1.77 (5.2025 average)
DAL 2011 6.76/3.81/6.01/1.84 (4.605 average)
[color=#8040BF]CLE 2016 10.38/4.08/3.49/0.43 (4.595 average)
SAS 2014 4.15/6.66/4.44/2.91 (4.54 average)
HOU 1994 6.48/4.10/4.68/2.59 (4.4625 average)
CHI 1996 6.27/5.87/6.30/(-0.67) (4.6100 average) <--21.24% higher than median
TOR 2019 6.42/8.04/2.25/0.28 (4.2475 average)
LAL 2010 3.37/4.67/5.33/3.55 (4.23 average)
CHI 1993 7.40/5.40/2.24/1.46 (4.125 average)
CHI 1991 5.73/6.25/2.45/1.88 (4.0775 average)
CHI 1997 6.94/5.34/3.67/(-3.94) (3.9875 average)
LAL 2009 6.48/3.12/3.73/2.31 (3.9075 average)
SAS 2007 3.33/3.06/7.28/1.69 (3.84 average)
SAS 2005 3.31/7.08/2.59/2.23 (3.8025 average) <--median
BOS 2008 7.34/6.67/(-0.53)/(-2.23) (3.5025 average)
GSW 2017 2.87/7.13/4.00/(-0.23) (3.5 average)
MIA 2006 5.96/6.24/1.11/0.51 (3.455 average)
MIA 2012 6.44/2.26/2.59/2.39 (3.42 average)
GSW 2018 0.59/8.21/1.48/2.89 (3.2925 average)
GSW 2015 4.08/3.82/3.62/1.13 (3.1625 average)
DET 2004 4.35/4.93/1.88/0.42 (2.895 average)
[color=#8040BF]MIA 2013 6.67/3.34/(-0.02)/(-1.83) (2.5025 average)
DET 1990 6.48/2.74/0.78/(-0.18) (2.500 average)
CHI 1998 6.73/3.08/(-0.39)/(-0.43) (2.4525 average)
SAS 1999 1.45/5.67/2.67/(-0.17) (2.4475 average)
LAL 2020 2.59/2.35/3.13/(-0.61) (2.0175 average)
LAL 1987 6.57/0.08/(-2.54)/(-1.14) (1.6625 average) <--56.28% lower than median

Average difficulty (3+ rings)
Shaq: 4.72
Kobe: 4.71
Jordan: 4.08
Duncan: 3.76
Curry: 3.32
Wade: 3.13
LeBron: 3.13
Magic: 2.50

(VORP/MP)*48*(Avg SRS/Median SRS)=

Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Magic, Wade, Duncan Curry and Shaq

1991 0.217
1992 0.200
1996 0.191
2016 0.191
1993 0.180
2002 0.160
2003 0.159
2000 0.154
2001 0.151
1997 0.150
2001 0.145
2009 0.136
2012 0.136
2017 0.132
2006 0.123
2010 0.121
2007 0.112
2015 0.106
2002 0.102
2013 0.099
2018 0.097
2000 0.097
2005 0.088
1988 0.086
1998 0.085
2012 0.081
2020 0.080
1985 0.078
2014 0.076
1999 0.067
1987 0.060
2013 0.040
2006 0.034

Average:
Jordan 0.1705
LeBron 0.127
Shaq 0.123
Kobe 0.121
Curry 0.112
Duncan 0.100
Wade 0.081
Magic 0.075
This was posted by oaktownwarriors87 here

Its not only 11 finals. He has 2 finals shooting under 40%. Then we have

Lebron absoluty sucked in 07 finals.
Shot 35% 20% 69% 22ppg 6 topg.

He also sucked in game 6 of ecf in 09.
Shot 40% 25% 69% 25 pts -12.

He also choked a 2-1 lead in 10 vs celtics.
27pts @44% 26% 74% with 5topg

13 Ray Allen saved him big time.
22ppg 43% 31%71% first 5 games
then in game 6 he shot 43% 20% 75% 10rbs 11ast 6to 32pts -1 on the floor

15. Another sub 40% final serie.

I guess Jordan did not play 91 lakers, magic worthy divas all hof. And he guarded Magic not pippen, he also guarded drexler.

Worthy and scott missed game 5 played the other 4.

[God Squad]

I think the GOAT debate has and always be a generational thing. This generation I'm sure a majority would say LBJ is GOAT. He's the one they actually got to watch and witness. Thus watching him dominate most of the league. While the previous era would say MJ is the GOAT.

Flip a coin 100 times between MJ and LBJ and that's your GOAT lol.

Spoiler:

Basically, I don't care and it's a subjective topic. Stop getting so invested.

[trueballer7]

I think the GOAT debate has and always be a generational thing. This generation I'm sure a majority would say LBJ is GOAT. He's the one they actually got to watch and witness. Thus watching him dominate most of the league. While the previous era would say MJ is the GOAT.

Flip a coin 100 times between MJ and LBJ and that's your GOAT lol.

Spoiler:

Basically, I don't care and it's a subjective topic. Stop getting so invested.

No. Most of this generation pick MJ too. Even the few that pick Lebron, when they sit down and watch some MJ turn their minds and say ''what is Lelayup James doing, thinking he is even in the same realm as the goat''. 10 years from now its going to be MJ vs Doncic or vs somebody else.

[God Squad]

I think the GOAT debate has and always be a generational thing. This generation I'm sure a majority would say LBJ is GOAT. He's the one they actually got to watch and witness. Thus watching him dominate most of the league. While the previous era would say MJ is the GOAT.

Flip a coin 100 times between MJ and LBJ and that's your GOAT lol.

Spoiler:

Basically, I don't care and it's a subjective topic. Stop getting so invested.

No. Most of this generation pick MJ too. Even the few that pick Lebron, when they sit down and watch some MJ turn their minds and say ''what is Lelayup James doing, thinking he is even in the same realm as the goat''. 10 years from now its going to be MJ vs Doncic or vs somebody else.

Absolutely not lol. Anyways I also have MJ over LBJ. But I also understand the argument for LBJ. I just think MJ had to face harder competition and didn't run from the challenge. He had to take his lumps early in his career against the likes of the Bad Boy Piston and Celtics before he ascended to the best player in the league. 1988 Jordan’s ascension year, when he won MVP, the scoring title, the All-Star Game MVP, and the Defensive Player of the Year.

[God Squad]

MJ also didn't have to join the "Celtics or Pistons" to gain his championship mentality. He took his lumps and losses early on and brought the Bulls up as he himself got better. Then theirs Jordans finals record that people love.

[lazybatman]

I voted Lebron. I didn't get to watch most of Wilt or Russell play, so have eliminated them from this.

Arguments over Mike -
- Did not need the league to gift him the 'Illegal Defense' Rule to boost his play and the league's TV ratings - http://www.celticshub.com/2017/09/20/celticshub-whiteboard-illegal-defense-shapes-nba/
- Lebron was guarded by better athletic elite defensive players - Kobe, Iggy, Kawhi, Giannis, KD, PG13
- Lebron wasn't an absolute selfish stat padder loser in his formative and later years.
- Never coached by a top 50 coach, let alone a top 3 coach(Spo might end up in that list, but was far from it in his coaching infancy when Lebron came to the Heat)
- Nobody ever had a top 25 all time player as a number 2.

Read on Twitter

- Did not get to play in a weak expansion league
- Lebron had his public meltdown in 2011 which has no explanations. But so did Mike multiple times, just forgotten rather easily -
1989 ECF after being 2-1 up -
G4 -
23 pts 4 asts - 33%fg vs Isaiah - 27-10-6 @45%
G5 -
18 pts on 8 attempted shots 4 TOs
G6 -
32pts 13 asts @ 50%fg; 8 TOs; 5/11 FT

1996 Finals(Sonics) -
Last 3 games - 23.7 ppg @ 36% (Better numbers than that have seen KD and Kawhi lose 3-1 leads rather than winning FMVP and NBA Titles

1998 Finals -
42.7% fg 2.3 asts 1.7 TOV on 41.2% usg(For context, James Harden's career usage% is 30.7% and he averages 6.3 asts)

- Believe it or not, Lebron played in a stronger Eastern Conference than Mike. Number of teams other than Bulls that had more than one HOFer during their 6 Championship runs - ZERO
- Lebron faced better teams in the finals. If Iggy makes HOF, Lebron played more HOFers in 2017-18 than Mike's all 6 finals.

Read on Twitter

Mike never went against a team with more than 2 HOFers in the Finals.
- Mike had a stronger team, coach and Front Office than any top 10 player EVER during the 2nd threepeat
- Lebron has better clutch shooting percentages and cumulative numbers on 2s and 3s, not even counting the countless assists he's made during those situations.
- Mike never guarded and shut down a great athletic player like MVP Rose. Scottie guarded Magic, Bird and most guard scorers on the opposing teams. Reggie Miller consistently burnt Mike whenever he saw him in any meaningful game.
- Longer better sustained peak. Never quit the game because of mental exhaustion.
- Lebron dragged 2007 and 2018 Cavs to the finals. Won 2 games against GSW 2015 with Dellavedova, Mozgov and JR. Those three might be bigger achievements than Mike's 2nd Championship run, if you think about it.
- Coming back from a 3-1 deficit against a 73 win team, which was agreeably playoff hobbled, but not injured like 1991 Lakers(Worthy and Scott). And those three games took a combined stat line of 36.3p - 11.7r - 9.7a - 3st - 3bl + Kyrie's heroics. If that's not clutch, what is?

So it isn't even a discussion anymore. Jordan didn't play one team which was better than worst team Lebron played in the Finals -

[twyzted]

I voted Lebron. I didn't get to watch most of Wilt or Russell play, so have eliminated them from this.

Arguments over Mike -
- Did not need the league to gift him the 'Illegal Defense' Rule to boost his play and the league's TV ratings - http://www.celticshub.com/2017/09/20/celticshub-whiteboard-illegal-defense-shapes-nba/
- Lebron was guarded by better athletic elite defensive players - Kobe, Iggy, Kawhi, Giannis, KD, PG13
- Lebron wasn't an absolute selfish stat padder loser in his formative and later years.
- Never coached by a top 50 coach, let alone a top 3 coach(Spo might end up in that list, but was far from it in his coaching infancy when Lebron came to the Heat)
- Nobody ever had a top 25 all time player as a number 2.

Read on Twitter

- Did not get to play in a weak expansion league
- Lebron had his public meltdown in 2011 which has no explanations. But so did Mike multiple times, just forgotten rather easily -
1989 ECF after being 2-1 up -
G4 -
23 pts 4 asts - 33%fg vs Isaiah - 27-10-6 @45%
G5 -
18 pts on 8 attempted shots 4 TOs
G6 -
32pts 13 asts @ 50%fg; 8 TOs; 5/11 FT

1996 Finals(Sonics) -
Last 3 games - 23.7 ppg @ 36% (Better numbers than that have seen KD and Kawhi lose 3-1 leads rather than winning FMVP and NBA Titles

1998 Finals -
42.7% fg 2.3 asts 1.7 TOV on 41.2% usg(For context, James Harden's career usage% is 30.7% and he averages 6.3 asts)

- Believe it or not, Lebron played in a stronger Eastern Conference than Mike. Number of teams other than Bulls that had more than one HOFer during their 6 Championship runs - ZERO
- Lebron faced better teams in the finals. If Iggy makes HOF, Lebron played more HOFers in 2017-18 than Mike's all 6 finals.

Read on Twitter

Mike never went against a team with more than 2 HOFers in the Finals.
- Mike had a stronger team, coach and Front Office than any top 10 player EVER during the 2nd threepeat
- Lebron has better clutch shooting percentages and cumulative numbers on 2s and 3s, not even counting the countless assists he's made during those situations.
- Mike never guarded and shut down a great athletic player like MVP Rose. Scottie guarded Magic, Bird and most guard scorers on the opposing teams. Reggie Miller consistently burnt Mike whenever he saw him in any meaningful game.
- Longer better sustained peak. Never quit the game because of mental exhaustion.
- Lebron dragged 2007 and 2018 Cavs to the finals. Won 2 games against GSW 2015 with Dellavedova, Mozgov and JR. Those three might be bigger achievements than Mike's 2nd Championship run, if you think about it.
- Coming back from a 3-1 deficit against a 73 win team, which was agreeably playoff hobbled, but not injured like 1991 Lakers(Worthy and Scott). And those three games took a combined stat line of 36.3p - 11.7r - 9.7a - 3st - 3bl + Kyrie's heroics. If that's not clutch, what is?

So it isn't even a discussion anymore. Jordan didn't play one team which was better than worst team Lebron played in the Finals -

By the results of the poll then yes it is not for disscussion anymore.
I think you are only one who has not figured it out.

And this quoted post shows that outside of 16 title
They are among the easiest

Ranking the path to the finals by opponents SRS since 1984 (the beginning of the current playoff format) with all negative teams zeroed out.




HOU 1995 6.44/5.90/3.85/7.76 (5.9875 average) <--57.46% higher than median
LAL 2001 3.63/7.92/6.07/4.52 (5.535 average)
CHI 1992 7.97/5.56/5.51/1.77 (5.2025 average)
LAL 2002 3.67/7.61/6.28/3.21 (5.1925 average)
LAL 2000 4.15/6.36/5.24/3.04 (4.6975 average)
DAL 2011 6.76/3.81/6.01/1.84 (4.605 average)
CLE 2016 10.38/4.08/3.49/0.43 (4.595 average)
SAS 2014 4.15/6.66/4.44/2.91 (4.54 average)
HOU 1994 6.48/4.10/4.68/2.59 (4.4625 average)
CHI 1996 6.27/5.87/6.30/(-0.67) (4.6100 average) <--21.24% higher than median
TOR 2019 6.42/8.04/2.25/0.28 (4.2475 average)
LAL 2010 3.37/4.67/5.33/3.55 (4.23 average)
SAS 2003 4.42/7.90/2.71/1.56 (4.1475 average)
CHI 1993 7.40/5.40/2.24/1.46 (4.125 average)
CHI 1991 5.73/6.25/2.45/1.88 (4.0775 average)
CHI 1997 6.94/5.34/3.67/(-3.94) (3.9875 average)
LAL 2009 6.48/3.12/3.73/2.31 (3.9075 average)
SAS 2007 3.33/3.06/7.28/1.69 (3.84 average)
SAS 2005 3.31/7.08/2.59/2.23 (3.8025 average) <--median
BOS 2008 7.34/6.67/(-0.53)/(-2.23) (3.5025 average)
GSW 2017 2.87/7.13/4.00/(-0.23) (3.5 average)
DET 1989 6.38/2.13/4.11/1.26 (3.47 average)
MIA 2006 5.96/6.24/1.11/0.51 (3.455 average)
MIA 2012 6.44/2.26/2.59/2.39 (3.42 average)
BOS 1986 2.10/8.69/2.59/(-3.12) (3.345 average)
GSW 2018 0.59/8.21/1.48/2.89 (3.2925 average)
GSW 2015 4.08/3.82/3.62/1.13 (3.1625 average)
LAL 1988 5.46/3.59/2.96/(-5.02) (3.0025 average) <--21.04% lower than median
DET 2004 4.35/4.93/1.88/0.42 (2.895 average)
LAL 1985 6.46/2.05/2.80/(-2.34) (2.8275 average)
BOS 1984 3.32/4.04/3.79/(-2.36) (2.7875 average)
MIA 2013 6.67/3.34/(-0.02)/(-1.83) (2.5025 average)
DET 1990 6.48/2.74/0.78/(-0.18) (2.500 average)
CHI 1998 6.73/3.08/(-0.39)/(-0.43) (2.4525 average)
SAS 1999 1.45/5.67/2.67/(-0.17) (2.4475 average)
LAL 2020 2.59/2.35/3.13/(-0.61) (2.0175 average)
LAL 1987 6.57/0.08/(-2.54)/(-1.14) (1.6625 average) <--56.28% lower than median

Average difficulty (3+ rings)
Shaq: 4.72
Kobe: 4.71
Jordan: 4.08
Duncan: 3.76
Curry: 3.32
Wade: 3.13
LeBron: 3.13
Magic: 2.50

(VORP/MP)*48*(Avg SRS/Median SRS)=

Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Magic, Wade, Duncan Curry and Shaq

1991 0.217
1992 0.200
1996 0.191
2016 0.191
1993 0.180
2002 0.160
2003 0.159
2000 0.154
2001 0.151
1997 0.150
2001 0.145
2009 0.136
2012 0.136
2017 0.132
2006 0.123
2010 0.121
2007 0.112
2015 0.106
2002 0.102
2013 0.099
2018 0.097
2000 0.097
2005 0.088
1988 0.086
1998 0.085
2012 0.081
2020 0.080
1985 0.078
2014 0.076
1999 0.067
1987 0.060
2013 0.040
2006 0.034

Average:
Jordan 0.1705
LeBron 0.127
Shaq 0.123
Kobe 0.121
Curry 0.112
Duncan 0.100
Wade 0.081
Magic 0.075

All credit goes to oaktownwarrior i dont want bother him by tagging him in the post

[SamSepiol]

I mean why is this still a debate, poll is showing it’s clearly Jordan.

[lazybatman]

All credit goes to oaktownwarrior i dont want bother him by tagging him in the post

Dude, I don't respond to your posts deliberately. Appreciate it if you can do the same.

[Kingsway_fan]

Goat WILT.. its not even close! Lol .....

NBA scoring records NBA records – Most points per game in a season (50.4 in the 1961–62 season)Also holds the next three spots with 44.8 in 1962–63, 38.4 in 1960–61 and 37.6 in 1959–60.NBA record – Most points in a season (4,029 in 1961–62)Also holds the second-highest record with 3,586 in 1962–63NBA record – Most points scored in a game (100 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)Kobe Bryant is second with 81.NBA record – Most points scored in a half (59 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)Kobe Bryant is second with 55.NBA record – Most 50-point games in a season (45 in 1961–62)Chamberlain holds the next most with 30 in 1962–63. No other player has had more than 10.NBA record – Most 40-point games in a season (63 in 1961–62)Chamberlain holds the second-most with 52 in 1962–63. Michael Jordan is third with 37 in 1986–87.NBA record – Most consecutive seasons leading league in points per game (7)Record shared with Michael Jordan.NBA record – Most career regular-season 60-point games (32)Kobe Bryant is second with 6.NBA record – Most career regular-season 50-point games (118)Michael Jordan is second with 31.NBA record – Most career regular-season 40-point games (271)[11]Michael Jordan is second with 173.NBA record – Most career regular-season 35-point games (381)Michael Jordan is second with 333.NBA record – Most consecutive 60-point games (4 from February 25-March 2, 1962)Chamberlain also holds the next three longest streaks with 3 in January 1962, 2 in December 1961 and 2 in December 1962.Chamberlain is the only player to ever score 60 points in back-to-back games.NBA record – Most consecutive 50-point games (7 from December 16–29, 1961)Chamberlain also holds the next three longest streaks with 6 in 1962, and 5 in 1961 and 1962.NBA record – Most consecutive 40-point games (14 from December 8–30, 1961 and January 11 – February 1, 1962)Chamberlain also has the next most with 10 from November 9–25, 1962.NBA record – Most consecutive 30-point games (65 from November 4, 1961 – February 22, 1962)Chamberlain holds the next longest streak with 31 in 1962 James Harden is third with 30 in 2018-19 season.NBA record – Most consecutive 20-point games (126 from October 19, 1961 – January 19, 1963)Chamberlain holds the next most with 92 from February 26, 1963 – March 18, 1964.NBA record – Most consecutive games leading all players in scoring (40 in 1961-62 season)[12]Bob McAdoo is second with 28.[13]NBA record – Most consecutive games leading all teammates in scoring (116)[14]NBA record – Most points per game by a rookie (37.6 in 1959–60)NBA record – Most points by a rookie (2,707 in 1959–60)NBA record – Most points by a rookie in a game (58 on January 25, 1960, and February 21, 1960)Rick Barry is second with 57.NBA record – Most consecutive 40-point games by a rookie (5 in late January 1960)Shared with Allen IversonNBA record – Most points scored by a player in his first NBA game (43 on October 24, 1959, against the New York Knicks)Frank Selvy is second with 35.NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 15,000 points (358, achieved in 1964)Michael Jordan, at 460 games, took the second-fewest games.NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 20,000 points (499, achieved in 1966)Michael Jordan, at 620 games, took the second-fewest games.NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 25,000 points (691, achieved on February 23, 1968, against the Detroit Pistons)Michael Jordan, at 782 games, took the second-fewest games.NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 30,000 points (941, achieved on February 16, 1972, against the Phoenix Suns)Michael Jordan, at 960 games, took the second-fewest games.NBA record – Most consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7 from 1959–60 through 1965–66)Shared with Michael JordanNBA record – Most field goals made in a season (1,597 in 1961–62)Chamberlain holds the next 3 spots with 1,463 in 1962–63, 1,251 in 1960–61, and 1,204 in 1963–64NBA record – Most field goals attempted in a season (3,159 in 1961–62)Chamberlain holds the next four highest with 2,770, 2,457, 2,311, and 2,298.NBA record – Most field goals made in a game (36 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)Chamberlain holds the next highest with 31, and is tied with Rick Barry at third with 30NBA record – Most field goals attempted in a game (63 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)Chamberlain holds the next two most with 62 and 60.NBA record – Most field goals Made in a Half (22 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)Rick Barry is second with 21.NBA record – Most field goals Attempted in a Half (37 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962 (2nd half)George Gervin is second with 34.NBA record – Most field goals Attempted in a Quarter (21 in the 4th quarter vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)NBA record – Most Free Throws Made in a Game (28 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)Record shared with Adrian DantleyNBA record – Most seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (9)NBA record – Most consecutive seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (6 from 1959–60 through 1964–65)NBA record – Most free throws Attempted in a season (1,363 in 1961–62)Chamberlain also holds the next four spots with 1,113, 1,054, 1,016, and 991.NBA playoff record – Most points by a rookie in a game (53 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960)Pulled down a rookie playoff record 35 rebounds in the same game.Chamberlain also scored 50 as a rookie against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960.NBA playoff record – Most field goals in a seven-game series (113 vs. the St. Louis Hawks in 1964)NBA playoff record – Most field goals in a game (24 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960)Record shared with John Havlicek and Michael JordanNBA playoff record – Most field goal attempts in a game (48 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 22, 1962)Record shared with Rick BarryNBA playoff record – Most field goal attempts in a three-game series (104 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1960)NBA playoff record – Most field goal attempts in a five-game series (159 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1962)NBA All-Star Game record – Free throw attempts in a game (16 in 1962)Chamberlain also holds the second-most attempts in an All-Star Game with 15 in 1960.Other selected scoring factsEdit2nd-highest career scoring average (30.07) – record held by Michael JordanJordan scored 581 three-point field goals, which didn't exist during Chamberlain's time. If his three-pointers were turned into two, his career scoring average would be 29.58.2nd-most career regular-season 30-point games (515) – record held by Michael Jordan

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All credit goes to oaktownwarrior i dont want bother him by tagging him in the post

Dude, I don't respond to your posts deliberately. Appreciate it if you can do the same.

I will respond to whom i want to respond to.

[MavsPride99]

I voted Lebron. I didn't get to watch most of Wilt or Russell play, so have eliminated them from this.

Arguments over Mike -
- Did not need the league to gift him the 'Illegal Defense' Rule to boost his play and the league's TV ratings - http://www.celticshub.com/2017/09/20/celticshub-whiteboard-illegal-defense-shapes-nba/
- Lebron was guarded by better athletic elite defensive players - Kobe, Iggy, Kawhi, Giannis, KD, PG13
- Lebron wasn't an absolute selfish stat padder loser in his formative and later years.
- Never coached by a top 50 coach, let alone a top 3 coach(Spo might end up in that list, but was far from it in his coaching infancy when Lebron came to the Heat)
- Nobody ever had a top 25 all time player as a number 2.

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- Did not get to play in a weak expansion league
- Lebron had his public meltdown in 2011 which has no explanations. But so did Mike multiple times, just forgotten rather easily -
1989 ECF after being 2-1 up -
G4 -
23 pts 4 asts - 33%fg vs Isaiah - 27-10-6 @45%
G5 -
18 pts on 8 attempted shots 4 TOs
G6 -
32pts 13 asts @ 50%fg; 8 TOs; 5/11 FT

1996 Finals(Sonics) -
Last 3 games - 23.7 ppg @ 36% (Better numbers than that have seen KD and Kawhi lose 3-1 leads rather than winning FMVP and NBA Titles

1998 Finals -
42.7% fg 2.3 asts 1.7 TOV on 41.2% usg(For context, James Harden's career usage% is 30.7% and he averages 6.3 asts)

- Believe it or not, Lebron played in a stronger Eastern Conference than Mike. Number of teams other than Bulls that had more than one HOFer during their 6 Championship runs - ZERO
- Lebron faced better teams in the finals. If Iggy makes HOF, Lebron played more HOFers in 2017-18 than Mike's all 6 finals.

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Mike never went against a team with more than 2 HOFers in the Finals.
- Mike had a stronger team, coach and Front Office than any top 10 player EVER during the 2nd threepeat
- Lebron has better clutch shooting percentages and cumulative numbers on 2s and 3s, not even counting the countless assists he's made during those situations.
- Mike never guarded and shut down a great athletic player like MVP Rose. Scottie guarded Magic, Bird and most guard scorers on the opposing teams. Reggie Miller consistently burnt Mike whenever he saw him in any meaningful game.
- Longer better sustained peak. Never quit the game because of mental exhaustion.
- Lebron dragged 2007 and 2018 Cavs to the finals. Won 2 games against GSW 2015 with Dellavedova, Mozgov and JR. Those three might be bigger achievements than Mike's 2nd Championship run, if you think about it.
- Coming back from a 3-1 deficit against a 73 win team, which was agreeably playoff hobbled, but not injured like 1991 Lakers(Worthy and Scott). And those three games took a combined stat line of 36.3p - 11.7r - 9.7a - 3st - 3bl + Kyrie's heroics. If that's not clutch, what is?

So it isn't even a discussion anymore. Jordan didn't play one team which was better than worst team Lebron played in the Finals -

Le Crybaby didnt play with a top 25 player? Wade was a fmvp and carried that Heat team to the finals that beat my Mavs. How many fmvp does Pippen have? Wade and Davis are both superior to Pippen. And how did Le Crybaby play against tougher finals competition when they just beat the Heat with Butler, injured Bam, Hero, and Duncan Robinson as their starting 5. Jordans Bulls also beat my Mavs in 6 in 2011. Quit making crap up. And Iggy in the HOF? Lol how long have you been watching the nba? Great post man

[MavsPride99]

All credit goes to oaktownwarrior i dont want bother him by tagging him in the post

Dude, I don't respond to your posts deliberately. Appreciate it if you can do the same.

Lol batman getting his feelings hurt if people dont agree with his obsession with Le Crybaby

[lazybatman]

All credit goes to oaktownwarrior i dont want bother him by tagging him in the post

Dude, I don't respond to your posts deliberately. Appreciate it if you can do the same.

Lol batman getting his feelings hurt if people dont agree with his obsession with Le Crybaby

Not my feelings, but my head hurts when I read his posts..

[lazybatman]

Le Crybaby didnt play with a top 25 player? Wade was a fmvp and carried that Heat team to the finals that beat my Mavs. How many fmvp does Pippen have? Wade and Davis are both superior to Pippen. And how did Le Crybaby play against tougher finals competition when they just beat the Heat with Butler, injured Bam, Hero, and Duncan Robinson as their starting 5. Jordans Bulls also beat my Mavs in 6 in 2011. Quit making crap up. And Iggy in the HOF? Lol how long have you been watching the nba? Great post man

Wade's ranked 26 in the NBA all time rankings released last year. He was the best player Lebron ever played with. FMVP and Champion. AD may get there in the top 10-20, but nothing he's done yet qualifies him. Scottie was an elite defender and playmaker on a team where Jordan used to hog the possession. None of them are better.

Iggy is an FMVP, 3 time champ as a core member of the Warriors Dynasty, 6 time NBA finalist. Worse players with ZERO accomplishments are in the the NBA Tom, Dick and Harry HOF. I could name a few, but you prolly got 10 fingers and internet too.

Do you have a real argument about my post except this childish little rant? Ignorance is bliss though, so maybe just stand pat.

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Le Crybaby didnt play with a top 25 player? Wade was a fmvp and carried that Heat team to the finals that beat my Mavs. How many fmvp does Pippen have? Wade and Davis are both superior to Pippen. And how did Le Crybaby play against tougher finals competition when they just beat the Heat with Butler, injured Bam, Hero, and Duncan Robinson as their starting 5. Jordans Bulls also beat my Mavs in 6 in 2011. Quit making crap up. And Iggy in the HOF? Lol how long have you been watching the nba? Great post man

Wade's ranked 26 in the NBA all time rankings released last year. He was the best player Lebron ever played with. FMVP and Champion. AD may get there in the top 10-20, but nothing he's done yet qualifies him. Scottie was an elite defender and playmaker on a team where Jordan used to hog the possession. None of them are better.

Iggy is an FMVP, 3 time champ as a core member of the Warriors Dynasty, 6 time NBA finalist. Worse players with ZERO accomplishments are in the the NBA Tom, Dick and Harry HOF. I could name a few, but you prolly got 10 fingers and internet too.

Do you have a real argument about my post except this childish little rant? Ignorance is bliss though, so maybe just stand pat.

Im pretty sure you have never watched a game that the bulls played.

And your post has been answered many times but you always ignore them. Then go into another thread with the same bs again and again.

Dude, I don't respond to your posts deliberately. Appreciate it if you can do the same.

Lol batman getting his feelings hurt if people dont agree with his obsession with Le Crybaby

Not my feelings, but my head hurts when I read his posts..

Well im sorry you have a hard time understanding. But thanks for making my day im not going anywhere