TMZ: Bodycam footage released from Jaxon Hayes arrest

[Hsker4Life]

ACCUSED OF THREATENING TO ASSAULT A WOMAN FRIEND!

Operative word being AAAAAAAACCCCCCCCUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEDDDDD

And when a scared woman calls for the police to help her after accusing a 6’11 man of assaulting her, police in America take that seriously. The accused doesn’t get to dictate the scene. He doesn’t get to roam around freely and walk back into the house where the accused victim is. It might be different where you’re from, but Americans don’t accept domestic violence, especially against women.

OMG a woman got scared, now violence is justified.

shaking my head.

how dare he turn his back on the cops and tell them to get lost -- boo hoo.

cops should use their resources and critical thinking skills.

you watch too many action movies bud.

You don’t take violence against women seriously.

[agkagk]

And when a scared woman calls for the police to help her after accusing a 6’11 man of assaulting her, police in America take that seriously. The accused doesn’t get to dictate the scene. He doesn’t get to roam around freely and walk back into the house where the accused victim is. It might be different where you’re from, but Americans don’t accept domestic violence, especially against women.

OMG a woman got scared, now violence is justified.

shaking my head.

how dare he turn his back on the cops and tell them to get lost -- boo hoo.

cops should use their resources and critical thinking skills.

you watch too many action movies bud.

You don’t take violence against women seriously.

you dont understand sarcasm.

was she hurt?

did she have any bruises or injuries?

did she call 911 saying she was hurt or just feeling threatened?

at what point did jaxson hayes deserve to be treated like a dog in your mind?

or does "taking violence against women seriously" justify the means in your head?

[Rainwater]

Yeah, all Jackson had to do was stay calm and stay outside. This become way bigger than it had to.

[Hsker4Life]

OMG a woman got scared, now violence is justified.

shaking my head.

how dare he turn his back on the cops and tell them to get lost -- boo hoo.

cops should use their resources and critical thinking skills.

you watch too many action movies bud.

You don’t take violence against women seriously.

you dont understand sarcasm.

was she hurt?

did she have any bruises or injuries?

did she call 911 saying she was hurt or just feeling threatened?

at what point did jaxson hayes deserve to be treated like a dog in your mind?

or does "taking violence against women seriously" justify the means in your head?

They announced today that he is being charged with domestic violence. That means that not only did the cops have probable cause to arrest him for domestic violence, but prosecutors believe there is enough evidence to support charging him with domestic violence.

If you cared about women being abused, you would care about that.

[Rainwater]

Huge jump in logic their bud. My best friend is a constable in canada and trust me, he'd shake his head if he saw that crap.

i have a bias against police officers instigating violence when they lack the critical thinking skills, patience and communication skills to handle a situation.

if you think they handled it well, i suspect you suffer from the same affliction.

perhaps go youtube how cops in europe and canada operate, it'll be eye-opening to you just how far being humble and actually caring about your fellow man can go in situations like this.


"oh no hes big and scary so lets show how not intimidated we are". thats what those moron cops did.

seriously man, go google how police outside of america operate in the western world. Your cops are seriously under trained and lack the education to do their jobs effectively.

I hate when people compare American police to police in the Western world. You are comparing apples and oranges. It's a completely different dynamic. America has a gun problem. Due to the 2nd amendment and the number of guns in American streets the issues that American cops face are completely different from the challenges faced by police in other Western countries. There are some countries in the western world where regular beat cops don't even carry guns because guns attacks are so rare. There are very few cities in Europe that are like Chicago, New York City, and Baltimore where gun attacks are a normal thing.

I'm not saying that police can't behavior better or don't need better training but this is not a black and white issue, it's a nauanced conversation.

so you sayin' hayes was hanging out in south chicago that night?

I don't know if you are trolling but you literally missed the whole point of my post.

[Rainwater]

OMG a woman got scared, now violence is justified.

shaking my head.

how dare he turn his back on the cops and tell them to get lost -- boo hoo.

cops should use their resources and critical thinking skills.

you watch too many action movies bud.

You don’t take violence against women seriously.

you dont understand sarcasm.

was she hurt?

did she have any bruises or injuries?

did she call 911 saying she was hurt or just feeling threatened?

at what point did jaxson hayes deserve to be treated like a dog in your mind?

or does "taking violence against women seriously" justify the means in your head?

You clearly have a bias. All he had to do was stay outside while they conducted an interview with his girlfriend to make sure everything was ok and they would have likely left. There was need try to get inside the house.

[MrBigShot]

One time I was in Florida arguing with my wife (then girlfriend) agitatedly on the street. At one point I was holding my wife's arm (not pulling or grabbing aggressively just trying to hold) as she was turning away from me. I wanted her to turn back so at the right moment I was getting ready to say sorry. I guess some bystander called the police, 3 policemen came over and one of them shoved me to the ground almost UFC style. My first reaction at that time wasn't "dude why are you using excessive force I know my right blah blah blah", I just told them "it's my bad, and I am calm". My wife then explained to them it was nothing serious and thanked them for coming. The police asked me to call a cab to send my wife back to the hotel and I drive back separately, which we both complied. No paperwork, no handcuffs, no nothing. The incident got diffused in 20 minutes. It's also my first and only one taste so far with the police to know not to mess with them.

In Jaxon Haye's case, even if his arm got broken and he was out for a couple of months, I think he is still the one to blame. No one asked him to get physical with the police, in any circumstances. To whoever saying the police did it out of ego, well maybe that's true and maybe not, maybe they are power tripping, idk - but remember they were dealing a with 6'11 220lb athlete. When a beast seems out of control, as police you do whatever to get it back under control because this is their first priority in that particular moment.

Best thing to do in such situation is:
1) stay calm
2) don't resist
3) worst case scenario if you got a bad cop who is power tripping, sorry it's just **** luck, and everyone gets **** luck once a while; still you do the same thing, stay calm and don't resist because whatever you do the matter is only getting worse. Record if possible, and sue them later.

100x yes. Even if the police are in the wrong or mishandle the situation, stay calm and follow their instructions. These are trained individuals with guns, batons, and tasers who can and will find any reason to pin you with a charge. Stay calm and then lawyer up if you are wronged. This is even moreso important for a guy as big as Hayes.

Look at the difference between how this played out vs Thabo Sefolosha; charged with a bunch of bs that was all dropped and subsequently won a $4 million dollar lawsuit against NYPD.

[agkagk]

You don’t take violence against women seriously.

you dont understand sarcasm.

was she hurt?

did she have any bruises or injuries?

did she call 911 saying she was hurt or just feeling threatened?

at what point did jaxson hayes deserve to be treated like a dog in your mind?

or does "taking violence against women seriously" justify the means in your head?

They announced today that he is being charged with domestic violence. That means that not only did the cops have probable cause to arrest him for domestic violence, but prosecutors believe there is enough evidence to support charging him with domestic violence.

If you cared about women being abused, you would care about that.

Wow you sure got me in a box, clearly I don’t care about women and the police STILL have a responsibility to serve and protect ALL parties.

[Rainwater]

You don’t take violence against women seriously.

you dont understand sarcasm.

was she hurt?

did she have any bruises or injuries?

did she call 911 saying she was hurt or just feeling threatened?

at what point did jaxson hayes deserve to be treated like a dog in your mind?

or does "taking violence against women seriously" justify the means in your head?

They announced today that he is being charged with domestic violence. That means that not only did the cops have probable cause to arrest him for domestic violence, but prosecutors believe there is enough evidence to support charging him with domestic violence.

If you cared about women being abused, you would care about that.

Yeah, I think he may have wanted inside the house to control the girlfriend's narrative and cocerce her into framing him into a more positive light to stop possible charges.

[Rainwater]

One time I was in Florida arguing with my wife (then girlfriend) agitatedly on the street. At one point I was holding my wife's arm (not pulling or grabbing aggressively just trying to hold) as she was turning away from me. I wanted her to turn back so at the right moment I was getting ready to say sorry. I guess some bystander called the police, 3 policemen came over and one of them shoved me to the ground almost UFC style. My first reaction at that time wasn't "dude why are you using excessive force I know my right blah blah blah", I just told them "it's my bad, and I am calm". My wife then explained to them it was nothing serious and thanked them for coming. The police asked me to call a cab to send my wife back to the hotel and I drive back separately, which we both complied. No paperwork, no handcuffs, no nothing. The incident got diffused in 20 minutes. It's also my first and only one taste so far with the police to know not to mess with them.

In Jaxon Haye's case, even if his arm got broken and he was out for a couple of months, I think he is still the one to blame. No one asked him to get physical with the police, in any circumstances. To whoever saying the police did it out of ego, well maybe that's true and maybe not, maybe they are power tripping, idk - but remember they were dealing a with 6'11 220lb athlete. When a beast seems out of control, as police you do whatever to get it back under control because this is their first priority in that particular moment.

Best thing to do in such situation is:
1) stay calm
2) don't resist
3) worst case scenario if you got a bad cop who is power tripping, sorry it's just **** luck, and everyone gets **** luck once a while; still you do the same thing, stay calm and don't resist because whatever you do the matter is only getting worse. Record if possible, and sue them later.

100x yes. Even if the police are in the wrong or mishandle the situation, stay calm and follow their instructions. These are trained individuals with guns, batons, and tasers who can and will find any reason to pin you with a charge. Stay calm and then lawyer up if you are wronged. This is even moreso important for a guy as big as Hayes.

Look at the difference between how this played out vs Thabo Sefolosha; charged with a bunch of bs that was all dropped and subsequently won a $4 million dollar lawsuit against NYPD.

While I do agree with most of this it's sad one must act less threatening based on what one looks like.

[agkagk]

I hate when people compare American police to police in the Western world. You are comparing apples and oranges. It's a completely different dynamic. America has a gun problem. Due to the 2nd amendment and the number of guns in American streets the issues that American cops face are completely different from the challenges faced by police in other Western countries. There are some countries in the western world where regular beat cops don't even carry guns because guns attacks are so rare. There are very few cities in Europe that are like Chicago, New York City, and Baltimore where gun attacks are a normal thing.

I'm not saying that police can't behavior better or don't need better training but this is not a black and white issue, it's a nauanced conversation.

so you sayin' hayes was hanging out in south chicago that night?

I don't know if you are trolling but you literally missed the whole point of my post.

Nope. Not at all. It was a legit question.

With greater implications behind it.

We all know police don’t respond the same in south Chicago vs Beverly Hills vs a modest middle class neighborhood.

So my question is just that; where was the giant 7 foot black man that he was treated like a thug in south Chicago?

[SkyBill40]

are you bloody daft?

they did nothing but escalate and try to physically restrain and control him and continually put there hands on him with greater force and aggression all because he was walking in a 3 foot circle on his porch.

jaw dropped by your rambling nonsense.

Daft? Not even remotely close. Observant of the situation which was recorded? Absolutely.

Go ahead and keep dismissing the reason for them being called there in the first place. Go ahead and keep refusing to recognize that Hayes repeatedly failed to follow reasonable requests. Go ahead and keep dismissing the fact that he could have been willfully compliant yet he chose to the contrary.

Rambling nonsense? Yes, your posts and their content have been noted.

[Maf]

To be honest amazing readings. For me. To see (again) how are our cultures so different. I'm central European. Here we have like... ten percent of people who question police officers. Most of them are just pissed off by speeding ticket, parking ticket or that travesty that they stopped their party at midnight while neighbours complained they'd like to sleep to work. Yeah and football (soccer) hooligans. They hate police.

So most of us when told by policemen to stop, stay, sit, whatever, do what they said. I truly don't believe our cops are better trained and more inteligent than yours. By that I mean if we are confronted by cops we know there is a reason or a mistake. So we act with guilt or reason and explanation. If here is a video of man confronting police and acting violently we'd be like "yeah! he deserved MUCH more!" Can't say if it's about your lack of respect to police or negative experience with them. As I tried o say, not judging just comparing.

And one poster wrote story about him grabing/pulling/whatever his girlfriend's hand and how police came. Most likely wouldn't happened here... Most likely would get his mouth smashed by first (well not first, we have also many cowards) guy walking around.

But that is maybe because we're not walking being heavy armed. So there is very small chance that after confrontation with someone he pulls a gun of.

Again, not saying your ways are better or ways are better, just how different we are.

[Rainwater]

so you sayin' hayes was hanging out in south chicago that night?

I don't know if you are trolling but you literally missed the whole point of my post.

Nope. Not at all. It was a legit question
With greater implications behind it.

We all know police don’t respond the same in south Chicago vs Beverly Hills vs a modest middle class neighborhood.

So my question is just that; where was the giant 7 foot black man that he was treated like a thug in south Chicago?

This still has nothing to do with my post, lol. You derailed and ignored a post about general differences of policing in America and Europe (Americas gun culture and gun issues) that can lead to certain police behavior to focus on one particular case. You are completely disregarding societal, cultural, and historical context to help, in part, explain why American and European police behave so differently just to come to simple conclusion that American police are evil and European police are amazing. Conversations like these suck because it just seems like people just want hear themselves talk.

[Rainwater]

To be honest amazing readings. For me. To see (again) how are our cultures so different. I'm central European. Here we have like... ten percent of people who question police officers. Most of them are just pissed off by speeding ticket, parking ticket or that travesty that they stopped their party at midnight while neighbours complained they'd like to sleep to work. Yeah and football (soccer) hooligans. They hate police.

So most of us when told by policemen to stop, stay, sit, whatever, do what they said. I truly don't believe our cops are better trained and more inteligent than yours. By that I mean if we are confronted by cops we know there is a reason or a mistake. So we act with guilt or reason and explanation. If here is a video of man confronting police and acting violently we'd be like "yeah! he deserved MUCH more!" Can't say if it's about your lack of respect to police or negative experience with them. As I tried o say, not judging just comparing.

And one poster wrote story about him grabing/pulling/whatever his girlfriend's hand and how police came. Most likely wouldn't happened here... Most likely would get his mouth smashed by first (well not first, we have also many cowards) guy walking around.

But that is maybe because we're not walking being heavy armed. So there is very small chance that after confrontation with someone he pulls a gun of.

Again, not saying your ways are better or ways are better, just how different we are.

I literally mentioned this in my earlier post it is completely unfair to compare American policing to other European nations. I agree, I don't believe your police are any more intelligent or better trained than ours. It's just that the cultural and societal norms are just too many. The biggest difference is the 2nd amendment.

[agkagk]

are you bloody daft?

they did nothing but escalate and try to physically restrain and control him and continually put there hands on him with greater force and aggression all because he was walking in a 3 foot circle on his porch.

jaw dropped by your rambling nonsense.

Daft? Not even remotely close. Observant of the situation which was recorded? Absolutely.

Go ahead and keep dismissing the reason for them being called there in the first place. Go ahead and keep refusing to recognize that Hayes repeatedly failed to follow reasonable requests. Go ahead and keep dismissing the fact that he could have been willfully compliant yet he chose to the contrary.

Rambling nonsense? Yes, your posts and their content have been noted.

Yaaaaaa I addressed all that. Everything I’ve written is above. Strangely, you seem to have ignored that…..

[SkyBill40]

Yaaaaaa I addressed all that. Everything I’ve written is above. Strangely, you seem to have ignored that…..

I didn't ignore anything. I guess I just got lost in all your logical fallacies along the way. Shame on me.

Besides, I have next to no interest in going back and reading through the absolute flotsam you've posted to date. I actually believe my IQ to have dropped somewhat.

[TheNetsFan]

You don’t take violence against women seriously.

you dont understand sarcasm.

was she hurt?

did she have any bruises or injuries?

did she call 911 saying she was hurt or just feeling threatened?

at what point did jaxson hayes deserve to be treated like a dog in your mind?

or does "taking violence against women seriously" justify the means in your head?

They announced today that he is being charged with domestic violence. That means that not only did the cops have probable cause to arrest him for domestic violence, but prosecutors believe there is enough evidence to support charging him with domestic violence.

If you cared about women being abused, you would care about that.

He was actually charged with corporal injury, which is worse.

In criminal law, the term corporal injury refers to any physical injury that causes a traumatic condition. This typically means a visible or verifiable injury, whether slight or severe. ... The infliction of a corporal injury makes the offense more serious than simple domestic battery.

[Rainwater]

Yaaaaaa I addressed all that. Everything I’ve written is above. Strangely, you seem to have ignored that…..

I didn't ignore anything. I guess I just got lost in all your logical fallacies along the way. Shame on me.

Besides, I have next to no interest in going back and reading through the absolute flotsam you've posted to date. I actually believe my IQ to have dropped somewhat.

He really is not worth the time, pretty certain he is just trolling.

[SkyBill40]

Yaaaaaa I addressed all that. Everything I’ve written is above. Strangely, you seem to have ignored that…..

I didn't ignore anything. I guess I just got lost in all your logical fallacies along the way. Shame on me.

Besides, I have next to no interest in going back and reading through the absolute flotsam you've posted to date. I actually believe my IQ to have dropped somewhat.

He really is not worth the time, pretty certain he is just trolling.

Undoubtedly so, I'm afraid. Oh well. Some things can't be helped.